Biodegradable nappies for older children (eg 8-10yos)

[anickelstory]

Dd normally wears cloth nappies at night, but she has to have 4 boosters now because she's 8 and obviously has a bigger wee.
I had to make the wraps for the nappies because buying them was really expensive and hard to get hold of junior sizes that fit properly.

Problem is, she complains that they're uncomfy to sleep in because they're so bulky.
She wears the huggies 8-15 size pyjama pants when she goes on camp, but I don't want to buy them for every night use because they're plastic.

So I was looking for biodegradable ones - I found Mum And You nappies which says their size 6 is for 35kg+ (the huggies says 27-57kg, which obvs goes up to 15years).
Dd's a really skinny 8yo.

Has anyone got any experience of biodegradable nappies a) from this supplier and/or b) biodegradable nappies for older children?
Tia.

[Mary8076]

A while back I tryed these:
www.amazon.co.uk/Bambo-Nature-Dreamy-Premium-77-110/dp/B084KQR5R4?th=1&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21
but they were not enough absorbent for my daughter. She is older than your DD so maybe they will work for you.
The problem is pull-ups leak very often at night, if she wets a lot as my DD did, only the regular nappies with highest absorbency guarantee no leaks at all due the better closer fitting with the adhesive tabs, but so far I couldn't find biodegradable nappies in bigger size. The only solution has been switching to disposable regular adult nappies in small or xs size, as in your case cloth nappies would have been ridiculously bulky and still with occasional leaks.

[kmoreilly]

@anicklestory

From your description, your daughter seems to have both the skills required to stay dry overnight that causes her to fill and release her bladder. I'm new here, is there a reason that she can't be trained?

In relation to your post, have you tried products from Drylife who do cloth nappies for larger children. Also, with cloth nappies, it is not the bulk that creates the absorbancy, it is the material and the multiple layers. In relation to the wraps, the larger the plastic pant, the better fitting it can be. If you find the leg / waist is too large, hook out some of the elastic, and shorten it a bit.

Disposable nappies overnight leak. The baby sized ranges tend not to as much, but as one gets up in sizes, the padding is removed from the wings of the nappy. As a result, side sleeper disposable nappy wearers tend to leak. The ones that don't get very expensive - close to $3 - $5 each per nappy.

Overnight, multiple layer cloth nappies can handle much more.

[anickelstory]

Thank you Mary. I'll have a look

[anickelstory]

Kmoreilly - I see what you mean about having the skills to fill and then release - afaik that's just a physical thing.
She is such a deep sleeper that she doesn't wake at all in the night. I've watched her (when not in her bed) sleep fully and completely whilst weeing - doesn't wake her up at all.

[anickelstory]

Ah, so you're thinking about the shape of the nappy - yes, I see this plastic pants and terry towelling pants might be better than a nappy shape.
I could look into that with a stretch terry, and still use pul as the plastic bit.
Thanks, that's given me something to think about

[Mary8076]

@kmoreilly You are totally uninformed. Skills? Trained? Really?
Wetting the bed is not a "skill" that a kid can learn or willingly achieve, nobody e nothing can "train" that too. Usually it happens for natural uncontrollable causes like deep sleep, delay of bladder growth, lack of hormone to stop it at night.
Any doctor would not consider bedwetting a medical problem until at least 8yo, even until puberty in the vast majority of cases they still consider it totally a natural physical growth thing.
Kids will be dry at night when their body will be naturally ready, please don't make them feel the fault and stress of something normal they cannot willingly control at all.

I don't know what is your experience but for me reality is different, cloth nappies are good for toddler or very young kids, at one point cloth will be not enough or ridiculously big and for heavy wetters disposable pull-ups will leaks very often too. When cloth or pull-ups fail regular disposable nappies works and these cost much less than the other options, $0.5 each or even less if buy in bulk.
You need to consider the age of the kid too, past 7-8yo disposable or reusable ones should be practical and possibly discreet too.

[kmoreilly]

@Mary8076
Night time bladder control requires the combination of three separate systems. One is the production of the hormone vasopressin. Its purpose is to balance fluid levels within the body, and overnight, it causes the kidneys to reabsorb fluid so that the bladder does not overfill during times of sleep. Secondly is the stretch sensors on the bladder which informs one of the need to urinate. The third is the external bladder sphincter. A baby normally has this semi relaxed. As a result, when the bladder fills, it does not stretch before the baby urinates. When a child's bladder starts to stretch, they close the external sphincter while the internal sphincter opens. This causes the bladder to begin to stretch and the tell tale signs that they need to go to the bathroom.

If a child is reacting to these signs during the day rather than forcing themselves to urinate on your command, the bladder stretches and the child also gains night-time control. If not, there is no way the child is getting the correct signals.

In anickelstory's daughters case, it seems that the child, while asleep, completely relaxes all her muscles. I presume it is a version of neuropathy, which I suggest that it be checked out.

There is very little difference between daytime bladder control and nighttime bladder control. I am aware of secondary nocturnal enuresis - sleep wetting where the child has been previously dry, and the medical reason is due to puberty, and the shift in the nerve & muscle positions before / during and after puberty. Very few people in the world did not suffer from this in some form, but that is NOT the case with this ladies daughter.

In relation to cloth diapers, they are available up to adult sizes. I do suggest that you check out the site I linked. In relation to other diapers, check out www.saveexpress.de/, a site that supplies disposable and cloth diapers and accessories in sizes from babies to adults. Now, the disposable range that cope with a heavy wetter would be www.saveexpress.de/en/inkontinenz-einweg-disposable/windeln-pants-diapers/mydiaper/8948/mydiaper-yellow-nacht-windel-gr.m-gelb-10er-packung with capacity of 4000ml. These would retail at $2+ each plus shipping, and personally I think that they are too expensive where cloth would suffice.

I do have a 19 year old incontinent daughter with MS, so I know what I am talking about. Most of the larger disposable diapers available in retail are cheap paper junk with both Molicare and Attends among the worst. Some of the other brands are sold with the tag line 'breathable' or 'cloth covered'. These are also poor quality and leak like a sieve. As a result, I have to go to companies like Tena or Drylife for diapers in the 'Active Fit' range where they are plastic backed for an active person during the day, where cloth diapers and plastic pants cope with overnight.
it is shocking that most medical services provide the junk Molicare / Attends diapers that are, in my opinion, worse than having the person wear nothing.

[skyb95]

@anickelstory

Dd normally wears cloth nappies at night, but she has to have 4 boosters now because she's 8 and obviously has a bigger wee.
I had to make the wraps for the nappies because buying them was really expensive and hard to get hold of junior sizes that fit properly.

Problem is, she complains that they're uncomfy to sleep in because they're so bulky.
She wears the huggies 8-15 size pyjama pants when she goes on camp, but I don't want to buy them for every night use because they're plastic.

So I was looking for biodegradable ones - I found Mum And You nappies which says their size 6 is for 35kg+ (the huggies says 27-57kg, which obvs goes up to 15years).
Dd's a really skinny 8yo.

Has anyone got any experience of biodegradable nappies a) from this supplier and/or b) biodegradable nappies for older children?
Tia.

Hi Tia,

Our Oldest - who is unfortunately still in conceptualised slip on pads/taped nappies,pants as we like to call them, during her school classes, bedtime and long stead gatherings with girlfriends - we find a drynite combined with a Mama mia juvenile nappy (Aldi brand) can hold several wet spells before the changing mat surfaces. Albeit a struggle, juvy naps tend to conceal beneath teen knickers these days. Larger branded tapes pads for young ones such as pampers lack an elasticised core which our Emily won't hold for 2 hours plus lunch and more.

Ps. The printed juvy nap is less stretchy in the release as can keep several accidents in the pants when taped correct with briefs I also can send a pic to show, I hope this can help.

Hope this helps Tia.

Always happy to help, message if need be certainly.

Pam

[MsPeeWee]

Tesco are doing Junior Nappies and Junior Plus Nappies that are bigger than size 6.

Very absorbent but my daughter prefer Dry Nights pants and they work for her so we keep to Dry Noghts. She is 7.

[Woodentopper]

Have you considered traditional terry nappies?

The are dead cheap, wash and dry easily and very absorbent even on older children.

[CatWithKittens]

And you can buy 67cm and 75cm ones as well if the traditional 60cm square is too small or not absorbent enough.