8th insight - The Celestine Prophesies

[Papillon]

glitter and i have just been looking at the abit and wish to discuss it between ourselves and the greater world at large

[Papillon]

the 8th insight abit

I just had a look in teh experiential guide and really felt that I could see 1st, 4th and 8th as a sub-grouping. Also Melsy & I sat in the 4th for awhile and so it is interesting to see these all linked together.

[glitterfairy]

I am really not happy with this one as I disagree with some of its thoughts around addictive relationships and one on one parenting. Help me here guys. Paps will revisit one and 4

[gothicmama]

what part do you disagree with - do tell

[glitterfairy]

Well the one on one with kids it is not possible and actually I do think they learn from each other as well. Nor is it natural really.

Also the addiction stuff doesnt really make sense to me. How can you ot have a relationship until you are a whole person yurself? Sometimes you learn the most from the other person you are with and they make you whole. Yes I know that is what the 8th says is wrong but you can work on it together surely?

[Papillon]

just looking at the book again and to me the 8th is also a introduction to the 10th insight. The 10th has a part about healing. with the 8th when you raise your vibration and also when we as a group raise our consciousness towards each other can reveal information, opportunities and may e.g. provide resolutions to health issues.

neneed to read the rest later more about the addictive relationships etc... but perhaps he also means lust and not just romance.

[gothicmama]

hey the bits I ahve trouble accepting - think if you find your soul mate then you can grow together

[Papillon]

I believe many people have relationships when they are not whole people. In fact I think it is extremely common. Me mate Zeldin has a section in his book about relationships b/t men and women and how generally they are very crap at conversation.

Romance can blind a person somewot if it is superficial and not backed up by responsibility on both sides.

[wobblyknicks]

I have no trouble with the relationships bit - i think you can be a whole person but still learn from someone else and I think a relationship only truly works if you are relatively (not totally) secure in yourself and can physically and spiritually survive on your own, so you're not relying on the other person for your own health.

The bit about parenting though was the only bit of CP I really had trouble with. I agreed with the basic idea that if a child doesn't get enough attention and energy that they'll be badly affected by that but I don't agree that they need one-on-one attention all the time and that being with other kids is necessarily bad. I think you need to be really careful that your kids get enough attention and don't get affected by rivalry too much but the CP seems to take it just a little too far. Its also very good for kids IMO to sometimes go without attention and learn to look after themselves. Still haven't quite got my head round that bit, am semi-ignoring it for a while and concentrating on other bits of CP.

[glitterfairy]

THere you go again wk very insightful.

Paps I started reading it thinking about romance and lust and not a true relationship but sometimes those relationships can also tell us a lot about ourselves and are part of our growth as well.

[Papillon]

I agree Glitter that all sorts of relationships can teach you and provide growth opportunites. I think the CP is advocating abit of celibacy actually! So unless we are entering a productive postive relationship we should side step the human urge to experiment and use our energy in romantic lust Well that is no fun!

But that is where I guess i see Zeldins ethos kicking in abit... we waste our energy on alot of conversations / romances that we could better use elsewhere.

still not up to the kids bit but must say I am very interested in spirituality in children and how to do this... re visualisation book that I showed dd9 glitter etc... I have been having visions of writing a book about it - one of my day dreams

[glitterfairy]

Good vision Paps. Yes celibacy is yuk imho. I agree that some romantic relationships can be a waste of energy but .... sometimes we can learn from wasting our energy.

[wobblyknicks]

It all depends on the way you use relationships IMO. If romantic or lusty relationships do you 'good' then its worth it but not if you use it as a crutch to make up for something else. Not everything you do has to be 'pure' and the best use of your time - its good to just have fun sometimes.

[Papillon]

jsut quickly but that might be where the kids come in... his vision being that if our children have the potential to being fully integrated and not like us halflings - so more evolved potential

[Papillon]

unless you are a wrinkly ole swinger do you think people gain much insight and enjoyment in one nite stands once they get abit older and world wise ?

[Papillon]

maybe we should ask the outer world of MN at large? i must go and get organised to go out!!!

[wobblyknicks]

Not being very old or worldly wise I should answer that but I don't see why not. Surely one good effect you can feel appreciated just for yourself without having to worry about 'everyday' things. So you get to almost sidestep your life for a while and concentrate on just enjoying yourself, which is good at any age. The only difference IMO is that maybe as you get older it loses its appeal and you start to 'worry' more but thats a state of mind - if you can throw yourself into enjoying it again it should bring you the same 'reward' - possibly more if you are so much wiser.

[wobblyknicks]

SHOULDN'T answer that I meant!!

[glitterfairy]

AH WK I am old and worldy wise and temptations may become worse as we get older as we get the confidence to know who we truly are and to feel as though we are 18 with none of the insecurities!

Quite frankly I have lost many of my inhibitions as I have got older. Perhaps that is why I have many young friends! LOL

[wobblyknicks]

Lol glitter!! Quite right - I expect to get more outlandish as I grow older not less, else what's the point?

[glitterfairy]

Absolutely freer and better thats all I can say I would never have my hair this colour in the old days when I was a wallflower (not)!

[wobblyknicks]

I love the colour of your hair!!! Tis a great shame when people get older and just think thats the end - why is a year of your life when you're older worth any less than a year when you're younger?

[glitterfairy]

No WK its worth more and my hair is now bright red so bad that I got stopped going through one of those searches at the airport in Dublin as the security wanted to know where I got it done.! Have to say it turns my nails red as well. LOL

[wobblyknicks]

Oh wow - sounds ace!!!!

[melsy]

Hiya wise oh young one and our red haired girl. Ive been rereading 8th in the experiential guide to get a hook on it again.

Ive had some inital thoughts as its quite a in depth insight with many layerr. the 1st one being how to exchange positive energy with each other and how we will form groups which is what we are doing here very well. I think most of us speak out about our true thoughts and not just to sound clever , which is what this insight is trying to acheive. the 2nd one about relationships (romantic) , I think I get what hes sayting as I have often "lost" myself to a romance and felt very drained if the other person didnt recriprocate the same level of romance. I used to get very caught in relationships as i know i took energy from them to make me feel more attractive/successful/loved etc. Now I know how to feel those things withought the boost from someone else. He then talks aboiut finding happy moments in solitude which I now know I can , as the last fewwmonths of motherhood have proven, yes granted we have off days when we are not conne ted to universal energy, but the melsy of jan this year would have been in peices to have sat alone day after day and now I love it and have so mnay things i like to do (when Im not feeling so tired from having poorly babay that is !!). The last bit regards to parenting I havent yet refreshed my memory of it. But Im sure I will have some more lightbulb moments about the other areas again in the next few days.

[gothicmama]

wow melsy that is a fab way of describing it