Evidence of Ghosts(93 Posts)
Apparently I am not welcome to discuss the existance of ghosts on a thread started by someone who believes in them, so I thought I would start my own thread.
Everyone is welcome, you can all insult me as much as you want. I don't care if you try to offend me and my deeply held "beliefs".
So, my question:
Has anyone had a first hand experience of paranormal activity, and got a photo or video that they prove the existance of ghosts. If so, please can you post it (or a link to it on photobox or youtube), because I am intreagued what level of "evidence" people accept. - Please only post you own experience, with evidence, since, as you can imagine, if you say "I heard a noise in my kitchen" you will likely get told it was the fridge motor.
Thread warning - apparently (according to people on other threads), I am a complete bastard, and may say something on this thread that you find more offensive than you possibly can imagine... I may even say the phrase "ghosts don't exist", which may cause you to cry. Please only join in if you can cope with such aggression!
Actually instead of 'I don't believ' as a physicist I should also say 'there is no evidence of'.
Ghosts don't exist. If anyone ever provides concrete evidence to the contrary obviously I will alter my opinion.
However I think that arguing with people who are willing to believe in anything with no evidence, be that ghosts, gods, vampires, etc. is pretty pointless. If somebody is taking a faith based perspective then that is irrational, and one cannot meet irrationality with rational debate.
I have never heard that term before. It is like someone has taken two scientific words, and added them together to make a special kind of made-up nonesense.
WereTricksPotter: Is there any chance that the things you saw are a figment of your imagination? The brain has evolved to make patterns from very limited information. This trait has been born our of natural selection, whereby if you think you see a shape in the long grass, your brain thinks "ITS A TIGER" and you run. The animals which didn't imagine a tiger were often eaten (by the tiger), but the animals that ran survived (albeit they may have done more running than they needed to do). Similarly, the family groups that told scary stories about dark caves and monsters, didn't get eaten by the bear in the cave, but those that weren't scared of the unknown got scoffed.
In low light, or unusual conditions, your brain will often make-up the remainder of the information to create a familiar image out of small amounts of data. This is compounded by strange noises, or unexpected temperatures.
I once remember seeing three lights, that looked exactly like a tripple rocket engine that you might see in a sic-fi movie, travelling through the sky at seemingly high speed. It was so hard to not believe what my brain was telling me, and a bit of me believed it was a UFO. I kept watching it, telling myself there was a logical explanation, until I realised it was three chinese lanterns travelling quite close to me, so they looked orange, and like they were further away but travelling fast.
One example of how the brain overrides what you see, is the mcgurk effect: youtu.be/G-lN8vWm3m0
There was also a physical manifestation once, after a ghost tour type event, which was incredibly interesting as the ghosts we went to experience don't actually exist, so my brain must have caused the scratches on my leg.
It is completely resonable for you to have scratched yourself during the ghost tour (on a wall, bush, or even unintintionally with your own hand, etc.), and not realise it. If you are scared, and have adrenalin in your blood system, you often don't notice pain until well after the event, and don't even remember how the injury happened.
There are far worse injuries than this recorded, such as policemen driving cars with broken wrists (having been run over by the criminal), and not even realising they had been hurt until after the criminal has been arrested and the adrenalin has subsided.
It it possible that this might have happened in this instance?
Do you not think this is far more likely than a supernatural explanation?
Well I have a science degree and have seen a ghost. I was in my twenties, hot morning in August, saw a guy walking slowly as if in pain dressed in a heavy coat and as I moved towards him he vanished. Saw it for about 40 seconds. My impression at the time was that it was some sort of tape recording. Possibly a hallucination of mine (though none before or since) or some unknown phenomena.
I don't believe the spirits of the dead come back or that we exist after death. Do I believe in ghosts? Yes.
I didn't say you were drunk :-)
Could you have scratched yourself in your sleep? I do that all the time.
I've had a few strange experiences which I can't attribute to rational causes - or rather, one I can, but like WereTricks the explanation doesn't tie with anything that has happened before or since.
I was visiting a park which has a long social history. Buildings on site have been converted to different uses, some public, but the area was bombed during WW2. One of my friends claims to have seen figures there, I have not. I was standing outside, basically saying that she must have been seeing things when I experienced what I can only describe as a clip around the ear.
I was not under a tree, nor moving, so can't claim anything dropping or being moved into proximity. The rational explanation is that it was some sort of bodily spasm that felt like a clip around the ear, but I have never since felt anything like it.
I'm firmly in the "can't prove, can't disprove" camp. Simply because things we take for granted nowadays are things that were considered impossible in the not-too-distant past.
Do you honestly believe that your scratch on your leg is far more likely to be caused by a ghost, than you scratching yourself in your sleep.
On the face of it, this sounds pretty odd to me!
I'd say that paranormal is a meaningless term. Even if ghosts existed they'd be part of the universe we live in so would be 'natural'. As a shortcut for 'things we can't explain yet' it is ok, but too many people take it to mean 'things outside of science'.
If you see something then it has to affect the cones and rods of your eyes so it would be visible to cameras/recorders that record the same wavelengths. If you are touched by something it must exist in the 'real' world to affect your skin and nerves.
If by seeing we mean images implanted in the subject's brain directly then camera's would never record them, but they still must have a real world presence to affect the brain.
This applies to god too. God is detectable unless he went far away and never did anything or contacted anyone.
Someone called you a "complete bastard" Techno? That is not on. Did you report it?
When you say you wouldn't want to disregard ghosts out of hand because there might be a time when science catches up with paranormal are we really to believe that you don't disregard any sightings that anyone has, or ever has had, of any paranormal thing/creature? Are there no paranormal sightings you'd feel confident in discounting? Vampires? Werewolves? Moth-men? Mermaids? Sasquatch?
I offered to show you my orbs but you ignored me.
I would love to hear a rational explanation of it as I'm the first to tell people they have a dirty camera lens when it comes to photos.
I'm amused you've still got a bee in your bonnet about that thread though.. there's no need to get so rattled just because somebody doesn't share your opinion.
That's interesting Were, something like stigmata?
"I offered to show you my orbs"
What thread is this? Sounds interesting.
That thread is like something out of the twilight zone... can't make head nor tail of it now
I am well up for seeing your orbs
Please include details of type of camera and details of when the photo was taken.
Head, have you ever met anyone claiming to have experienced vampires, werewolves, mermaids, mothmen or saschwatch?
It was a phone.. A video and last year and I already asked how to get it off Facebook but you ignored that as well.
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