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It's perfectly valid to tell 2.7yo DD that a Jolly Phonics song is inaccurate, isn't it?

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vladthedisorganised Mon 07-Jan-13 10:02:23

To wit:
"Vowels are in every word, every word, every word,
Vowels are in every word/ That we read or write"

No, no, no! I'm not a fan of Jolly Phonics (on aesthetic grounds mainly), but prepared to put up with ants on the arm causing alarm and cracking the egg like this - e!; on the grounds that she quite enjoys it. I'm not keen on spelling her name as Vuh-Luh-Ah-Duh Juh-Oo-Nn-Ih-Oh-Ruh, but that's the way it's taught these days and she at least knows the 'alternative' ("V-L-A-D spells Vlad!") as well.

But this! Aside from having sinister overtones (you can sing 'Our Dear Leader Chairman Mau is our overlord" to the same tune.. coincidence?) it's just plain wrong! Cry? Why? Hymn? Pygmy?

Yes, yes, if I'd posted this in AIBU I'm sure everyone would tell me I was overreacting, but it's perfectly OK to get her to substitute "every word" with "many words", isn't it?
Please tell me I'm not alone in my irritation!

ilovepowerhoop Mon 07-Jan-13 11:13:07

'Vuh-Luh-Ah-Duh Juh-Oo-Nn-Ih-Oh-Ruh' - it is not taught this way at all - there are no extra 'uh' sounds in phonics

Crony Mon 07-Jan-13 11:18:43

which words don't have vowels in?

LunaticFringe Mon 07-Jan-13 11:21:10

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Crony Mon 07-Jan-13 11:22:42

what's Mao?

IShallWearMidnight Mon 07-Jan-13 11:25:28

rhythm doesn't have a vowel, although it does have a vowel sound. There's a proper term for the y used like this, but I can't remember it offhand.

Crony Mon 07-Jan-13 11:26:35

y is both a vowel and a consonant
so y is the vowel in rhythm

JollyToddles Mon 07-Jan-13 11:27:27

Crony - why

Crony Mon 07-Jan-13 11:27:34

although the second syllable 'thm' is interesting as there is no vowel sound there
<makes note>

Crony Mon 07-Jan-13 11:27:57

'y' is the vowel in why

TuftyFinch Mon 07-Jan-13 11:29:27

The Y is the vowel. In English Y is regarded as both a vowel and a consonant.

Crony, Mau Se Tung.

TuftyFinch Mon 07-Jan-13 11:30:07

Massive x post with crony.

Crony Mon 07-Jan-13 11:30:55

lol tufty grin

Viviennemary Mon 07-Jan-13 11:34:49

Didn't know 'y' was a vowel. I was taught at school there were five vowels. But that was quite a long time ago.

ilovepowerhoop Mon 07-Jan-13 11:36:53 - didnt know this either

Themobstersknife Mon 07-Jan-13 11:41:55

Her teachers are gonna 'love' your DD. Not only is she going to be about two years ahead of her peers, she is going to be correcting the teacher! wink

vladthedisorganised Mon 07-Jan-13 11:46:06

I stand corrected on the Mao.

However, I stand by the fact that the song is wrong. They're taught that A,E,I,O and U are vowels (as per the conventional curriculum), but then that 'a vowel is in every word that we read or write'.
If they were being very accurate, it would have been 'a vowel sound is in every word that we read or write'. Y is traditionally classed as a consonant but may function as a vowel, along with w (as in cwtch). The average preschooler might not come across "crwth" every day but they will certainly encounter "why". And even then, transcribed vocalisations such as "tsk" don't contain a vowel sound.

Interesting that there are no 'UH' sounds in phonics teaching - seems to be in contrast to the way my nephew's class are taught, but that's a different story.

My point is that I acknowledge that the 1980s way of spelling, for want of a better term - "ay bee cee dee" - is not taught in schools these days, where a phonics (not phonetic) method is - the letter N would be 'said' as 'nnnn' rather than 'en', as we would have done at school. If I had a phonetic alphabet on this wretched keyboard, my life would be so much easier.

LunaticFringe Mon 07-Jan-13 11:46:30

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vladthedisorganised Mon 07-Jan-13 11:46:51

'class is' not 'class are', clearly.

vladthedisorganised Mon 07-Jan-13 11:49:43

&#27611;&#27901;&#19996;, if we're being strictly accurate grin

LunaticFringe Mon 07-Jan-13 12:01:15

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LunaticFringe Mon 07-Jan-13 12:03:32

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ThreeBeeOneGee Mon 07-Jan-13 12:03:35

YANBU, just as IANBU to tell my children that the answer to 6 + 2 x 3 is 12 not 24.

MirandaGoshawk Mon 07-Jan-13 22:35:58

Er, wouldn't there have to be a bracket round the 2 x 3 to make that correct (12, that is) ? I am feeling very sheepish as maths not my strong suit.

MirandaGoshawk Mon 07-Jan-13 22:37:16

But to answer the OP, I too would tell my dch that nearly all words have a vowel wink

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