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What happens when you die ?

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 20:46

How do you explain to young children if you're not religious ? My ds 4 is asking me this frequently at the moment and is obviously not satisfied with my answers. The first time he came out with it I was driving in rush hour traffic and trying to avoid the buses and taxis and explain death in child friendly terms nearly made my head explode.

I've been talking about your body not working any more and some people think you go somewhere else but nobody really knows but I need help ! He's not terribly worried, just curious I think. Thankfully he hasn't experiened death close at hand yet. He knows Nana died when he was a baby but keeps asking can't she walk back and tell us what it's like.

How do you do it ? Do you know of any useful books.I need something about natural cycles and coping with loss but just end up stammering and whittering when I try and explain my understanding and feelings about it in a way he'd understand.

Arm me with some kind of explanation before it comes up again...please !

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scattercushion · 01/03/2011 20:48

I just said that they got very ill and died and that means they're gone but we have happy memories of them and photographs we can look at to remember them.

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Tinkerisdead · 01/03/2011 20:51

There used to be someone on here who was famed for their death explanation. I can't remember who it was. They used to get a glove and explain to a child that when you take your hand out the glove it's empty but your hand is still there, just not in the glove. To explain how your body is separate from your 'soul' emotions etc.

Maybe it's bordering on religion but I thought it was a great analogy. Suppose you could then discuss what people believe could happen to the 'spirit'.

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dilbertina · 01/03/2011 20:52

"Badgers Parting Gifts" is good. It explains death from old age in a non-religious way.

You might cry though. Steel yourself!

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whomovedmychocolate · 01/03/2011 20:53

I explained it to my four year old by referring to our cat that got old and died.

I said that the body was just like a car and it got old and knackered and eventually stopped working and then that person wasn't around anymore but as long as we still remembered them, they were still important and that it didn't hurt at all because pain is to do with the body and they didn't have that anymore.

She then asked how babies were made.

That was a fun car trip Hmm Grin

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dilbertina · 01/03/2011 20:58

Actually re-reading your OP I think that book will be perfect.

It's all about Badger's body wearing out, and him falling asleep and going down "the long tunnel" where he can run again and not be in pain. Everyone who loves badger really misses him and they are sad. But gradually they start remembering things he taught them and start having happy memories...

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 21:00

I've said when someone dies they're not here anymore but ds keeps asking so where are they, what happens and I guess that's what's so difficult to answer because it's hard to say, nowhere, that's it - the idea of not existing is impossible to get his head round and I can't bring myself to be that blunt with a 4 year old. I suppose I'm trying to give him some kind of spiritual understanding but I don't believe in god or heaven so am struggling to do it right

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 21:10

that Badger book sounds perfect, thankyou dilbertina.....and I might go and dig out some gloves aswell and practice separating soul from body before i settle down in fromt of the tv.....i'm quite happy talking about the soul and spititual things just not heaven and hell, had plenty of that at school when i was little.

whomovedmychocolate if I'd had to explain death and babies on the same journey i would definitely have crashed....my dh always saves up the tricky ones for heavy traffic - 'do stars have bums?' was one that had me veering into the middle of the road Smile

thanks ladies, problem solved !

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 21:13

ds not dh Blush dh knows stars don't have bums

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Skimty · 01/03/2011 21:15

I have told DS that nobody really knows but diffrent people think that different things happen and what does he think.

LOL on the questions while driving. DS saves his best for parallel parking with a queue of traffic behind me!

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 21:22

i like the idea of asking what do you think skimty, that might keep him quiet for a few miles ! Ponder on a great meta physical question young man and let me listen to the radio.

I've just demonstrated soul and body parting with the help of an Iggle Piggle mitten to my husband and he says it's made him feel depressed and so he's had to go upstaris and strip some wallpaper Confused

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MakesCakesWhenStressed · 01/03/2011 21:23

How about being honest and saying nobody knows where souls go, because once you're there you can't come back and tell the people who are alive...? Or is that a bit blunt for a 4 year old?

Personally I prefer re-incarnation, but wasn't sure if you included that in your 'religious' exclusion :-)

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girliefriend · 01/03/2011 21:32

My dd became quite interested in death over christmas time and one night at bedtime asked me if she was going to die one day - eek, how do you explain that to a sensitive 4yo without scaring them?! I just said that when you are very old and your body is so tired it just wants to sleep you die but it won't be for a very long time yet.

As for what happens next I went with my honest opinion which is no one really knows what happens next, some people believe in heaven, Im not sure but I think you just go into a lovely dream from which you don't wake up - or something like that!!!

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Spandangle · 01/03/2011 21:38

lololol at 'do stars have bums?'!

I have said that no one really knows, because once youre dead you cant tell anyone what its like- I like Rasputins 'itll be a big adventure'

I have also explained what I believe; natural cycles- worms eat us and poo us out, then trees and plants and grass use the worm poo as food to grow; then animals eat the grass and fruit etc, then some times other animals eat those animals......usually by this point she has stopped listening or forgotten what she asked!!

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 21:40

i tried the 'they can't come back and tell you' line, i said it was like going to a country a long way away (mistake)

'well why doesn't nanna walk back and tell u',
'but her body doesn't work anymore'
'well why doesn't she shout really loud, or can she use the phone'


he's persistent my lad and just wants a sensible answer with evidence and photos ideally.he'd love the idea of re incarnation but then we'd have to go and find out what nanna had come back as, he'd be shouting at cats and dogs in the street

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 21:44

girliefriend, that lovely dream sound lovely. it's funny how on edge it put me as i just didn't want him to be upset even though he didn't show any signs of being upset, like i said he just wanted to know what happened, he doesn't seem to have made the connection that mum or dad might die, or that he will.....or if he has he's taking it in his stride

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Spandangle · 01/03/2011 21:45

could you kill a small creature as a demonstration?

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JOKE!!!

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 21:46
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deemented · 01/03/2011 21:58

My DH died when DS2 was three, and as i'm not religious at all, i explained to him as best i could. I said that sometimes our bodies get so sick that they aren't able to get better themselves and they die, and that's what happened with daddy - his body got so sick that it coldn't make itself better anymore, and that daddy died and we were very sad because it meant that we could never ever see daddy again. I told him that daddys body was going to be put in a box called a coffin, and that the coffin was going to be put into the ground. After that there would be a party, where all the people who loved daddy, and who daddy loved would come and think about him (it was quite sad, because being just three he equated parties with candles and cake and insisted that as it was daddy's party we had to have a cake with candles - so i got a plain iced cake and some icing pens and he drew pictures for daddy, then we lit the candle and he blew it out, sending his love to where ever daddy was - not a dry eye, as you can expect)

I've always tried to be as honest with him as i think he could handle. I really don't hold with the whole 'Oh he's a star in the sky' kind of claptrap that some children are fed - a cashier told DS this about three weeks after DH had died - DS was still in the stage where his opening words to anyone were 'Hello, My daddy died' - and when we went outside he was distraught at the fact that daddy was not in the sky looking at him Hmm


A good book that covers what different people think happens when you die is called When Dinosaurs Die by Laurie Kransy Brown. Its really age appropriate and cover different types of deaths - accidents, illnesses, even suicide, and different people dying, from a parent to a grandparent to a newborn. Its really helped us.



Oooopss... i've waffed, eh? Blush

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bobbinogs · 01/03/2011 22:11

deemented Sadwhat a terribly difficult thing to have to do - it sounds like you really helped your ds - i hope you are both coping ok now and looking after each other

I agree about the star in the sky business, it's that kind of thing my son has heard that is confusing him i think - you're right it's all about being as honest as is appropriate and getting that balance right

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Missmodular · 01/03/2011 22:18

This is a really interesting thread. I love the glove analogy and might use it. My 4yo DD keeps asking about death and saying she doesn't want to die. I seem to have (inadvertently) given her the idea that everyone dies when they're 100, so she keeps asking how old me and DH are and whether we're anywhere near 100!

I also explained what cremation was - big mistake Hmm

Deemented - really sorry to hear of your loss Sad

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