Can a trust deed be backdated?

[samanthamplified]

Hello,

I'm confronted with a trust deed showing beneficial owner is not the legal owner.

I can prove it was backdated i.e. signed and witnessed months after the date written on the trust deed.

What does this actually prove?

Also, I've been told that s.53(1)(b) of LPA 1925 shows it doesn't need to be dated anyway.

Am I on a pointless pursuit?

Is it fraud to backdate a trust deed?

[andintothefire]

What is the context in which you want to prove it is backdated?

[EnormousTiger]

Like a lot of legal matters it depends.

If I sign something today and write signed 1 Jan 2017 that breaches the statute of frauds but might have no consequences and not be a problem. Better to sign today either not say when signed or say signed 3 Feb and then separately have a clause saying effective date 1 jan 2017 - the latter is done every day perfectly lawfully for loads of agreements and breaches nothing.

On the other hand you cannot make information secret after it is disclosed so back dating a secrecy agreement eg woudl not work.

If say parents made a gift of money to an adult child. Then child marries, marriage in trouble, suddenly the parents pretend it was always a loan and back date a loan agreement the divorcing spouse could bring evidence to show the document was not true - it was a gift always not a loan but that is not so much about dating of it but because it was a lie and tried to change things after the fact.

Most legal documents are not required by law to have a date on so dating is not a huge issue for them.

[samanthamplified]

Hi thanks

The trust deed alleges to prove Person A is the 100% beneficial owner of a property and not the legal owner Property B.

Person A has submitted as part of his evidence.

It is backdated and I have proof that it absolutely must have been backdated.

There is no clause in it that states its effective date is different.

What are the legal implications of this?

Could it be invalidated or even come under some fraud law?

[samanthamplified]

*Person B, not Property B

[samanthamplified]

I am in a financial remedy claim against my ex, and his father has intervened claiming he's the beneficial owner of the property

His evidence is mainly this trust deed

I don't know when the document was created but it certainly wasn't on the date that's written on it and this I can prove this

So, what do I allege? Fraud or nothing or just that it's not valid?

[EnormousTiger]

What does it say in regards to the date.
Eg does it say This trust is dated 1 January 2013?

Dates can be important. In the Abramovich case about when a verbal contract (yes they are often valid by the way in some areas of law) was made the other party produced 2 or 3 different dates throughout the case and in each case A could prove he was out of the country on that day so could not have reached agreement in person with the person on that day as alleged. So that went to help prove which side was the liar.

So in your case if it says 2 March but you were all at a family wedding on video no that day and the father could not have signed but he could easily have signed no 3 March and just muddled up the date then the wrong date may not matter. Eg if this document was sent by email at the relevant time even if the date is not quite right they may be able to show it was sent through looking at old emails or they may be able to prove nothing of the kind and the ink or paper might show it was made last week not 10 days ago, just to get round paying you anything.

[Mellymiller1]

Hi there, I've read your chain with huge interest as I am in a very similar position.

We are getting divorced and my father in law is laying claim to over 50% of our matrimonial home and our buy to let. He wants to sell both and this does not give me enough money to adequately rehouse myself and our daughter (who lives with me).

Do you have any update on how your case panned out?

Hope you are winning!!!