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Tories fined a mere £70k for election fraud

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Graphista Thu 16-Mar-17 10:18:13

Even though the fraud involved them OVERspending £100k's!

Police investigations continuing so potentially prosecutions and by-elections could still happen - won't be holding my breath.

Disgusting! They basically bought the 2015 GE!

Graphista Thu 16-Mar-17 10:18:26

Anon1234567890 Thu 16-Mar-17 10:31:57

Whats the big fuss? Technically they broke an accounting rule but they hardly bought the election. They did exactly the same as every other party does, they sent supporters around the country in a bus to promote their brand. Big whoop!

Graphista Thu 16-Mar-17 10:35:56

The rules on what they can spend on election promotion are there so it's fair and democratic, they broke those rules - massively!

RortyCrankle Thu 16-Mar-17 10:49:58

I don't care but them I''m a Conservative voter. It's not like they murdered anyone to win the election.

Graphista Thu 16-Mar-17 10:50:47

No, no murder. Let's just ignore the people dying as a result of their policies though eh? hmm

mellongoose Thu 16-Mar-17 13:02:43

Lib dems and Labour also fined. But where's the headline in that?

TheNaze73 Thu 16-Mar-17 13:04:07

It's very telling that Labour didn't kick off about this.

Graphista Thu 16-Mar-17 13:12:07

Any party guilty of this should be held accountable of course! Investigations so far though seem to be showing that tories are the worst offenders.

I am glad to see that MP's are to be stopped from hiring family members, again yes glad it's applying to all parties too.

mellongoose Thu 16-Mar-17 13:16:04

I agree about the family members thing.

Graphista Thu 16-Mar-17 13:18:04

But not cheating on election rules?

Thegirlinthefireplace Thu 16-Mar-17 13:20:22

Given that coverage is a massive factor and that coverage costs a lot of money I do think spend is a factor. If the other major parties over spent by similar amounts then it probably paid no particular pa in the overall result but things like this will have an impact on smaller parties that can't begin to afford to match these overspends in order to become visible, which does have an impact on our democracy.

Thegirlinthefireplace Thu 16-Mar-17 13:21:01

Particular PART in the overall result that should have said

Anon1234567890 Thu 16-Mar-17 13:37:58

they broke those rules - massively!

So did Labour and the Lib Dems, I think UKIP as well.

Seems like its a bit of a stupid rule. If you send a group of supporters to a city to campaign for your party, where are they supposed to sleep and eat, it all costs money!

ShotsFired Thu 16-Mar-17 13:46:33

@TheNaze73 It's very telling that Labour didn't kick off about this.

Very telling indeed.

Thegirlinthefireplace Thu 16-Mar-17 14:30:09

Anon. So you think parties with very rich donors should be able to spend unlimited amounts on election campaigns? The point of the rule is a basic attempt to level the playing field so the richest party doesn't have an advantage by being able to afford a significantly higher level of exposure. You believe this is wrong?

Anon1234567890 Thu 16-Mar-17 19:14:58

No Thegirlinthefireplace that is not what I am saying. I am saying all parties have been doing this. Either we agree supporters are not allowed to go around the country supporting campaigns or we say its ok to house and feed campaigners. Personally I don't care either way, the rules just need to be clarified a little.

Graphista Thu 16-Mar-17 19:18:50

Clarified how? These are not political innocents, they know the rules.

Do not spend more than the amount set - how is that ambiguous?

fakenamefornow Thu 16-Mar-17 19:23:45

I agree. The fines are so low that they are not a deterrent , they can be just calculated in as a business expense.

Everytimeref Thu 16-Mar-17 19:28:53

5 Tory MPs have been questioned by police under caution near me. The issue was shipping in supporters to leaflet on the battlebus and not declaring these costs. This is the largest fine they could impose and the worry is that rich parties will see the fines as extra expenses.

Graphista Thu 16-Mar-17 19:39:33

MP's pay being so high was brought in as previously the pay was so low that ordinary people couldn't afford to be mp's ditto expenses but the whole financial side is now way out of hand.

We (as a country) need to get back to it being a proper level playing field. Away from career politicians with politicians treating political office as not only a job for life but one they can pass down to their children! They're not royalty but seem to think they're unimpeachable and untouchable!

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot Thu 16-Mar-17 19:55:41

I've tried googling for the guidelines for size of fine, but didn't find it.

What is the range? And what size fines have been imposed before?

cdtaylornats Thu 16-Mar-17 21:01:31

Basically the only difference is the Tories sent young party activists and Labour sent Corbyn

cdtaylornats Thu 16-Mar-17 21:04:24

The issue was shipping in supporters to leaflet on the battlebus and not declaring these costs.

I can't see the costs being much and if we are about fairness should we limit the number of people leafleting to the number the smallest party has?

£70,000 is the maximum fine.

VikingVolva Thu 16-Mar-17 21:13:40

£70,000 is the maximum fine

So the thread title is wrong, and should say "Tories fined the highest possible amount £70k for electoral fraud"

Will you be asking MNHQ to correct it, so the substitution of 'mere' where it shouldn't be 'maximum' does not continue as AstroTurf?

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