I don't even know what to say about this..

[Hobby2014]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-used-barbecue-tongs-home-3824265

I feel they have been totally let down by someone, (I don't know who.. Society.. Nhs.. Family..) to get in to this state.

[AnyaKnowIt]

Oh bloody hell

[STOPwiththehahaheheloling]

What is it before i click and regret it?

[fuzzpig]

That's so sad. Not sure what else to say really :(

[AnyaKnowIt]

A judge has ruled that a pregnant mother of 5 is to have a c-section as she gave birth to her last baby with her partner 'helping' with BBQ tongs

[MorrisZapp]

Bloody hell :(

[AuntieStella]

Very sad story. A mother who had three babies (by CS) then two concealed PGs (at least one of which resulted in unattended home birth) was found to be pg for a sixth time when examined on arrival at hospital (didn't find the article clear, but it sounds as if she was sectioned at c5.5 months). The Court has directed that this baby be delivered by CS.

[STOPwiththehahaheheloling]

I'll click the link now. Was thinking it might have been about child abuse or something.

[Mintyy]

One of those myriad cases where intervention by social services appears to be justified.

So sad that this poor woman is not somehow receiving the assistance that she needs in order not to become pregnant again.

[STOPwiththehahaheheloling]

that poor woman. And those babies.

[MorrisZapp]

Mintyy she has refused all medical attention. What could anybody do to ensure she didn't get pregnant?

There's nothing in the article to suggest she wants to avoid getting pregnant.

[Icimoi]

It's horrific that as currently reported in the Mail they are trying to use this for their anti-forced adoption agenda. Fortunately the vast majority of their readers can see through it and agree this was really the only action the court could take.

[Spero]

This is just so sad for everyone involved. The only thing I am glad about is that the comments on the article have moved on from discussing this in terms of a state plot to steal adoptable babies.

I just don't see what else could have been done to save both mother and baby, but as op says, something has gone horribly wrong for this family to let it get to this. I can I only assume the parents have no one supporting them, or they have rejected any kind of help.

[handcream]

This women has had child after child, all taken into care. How else are we meant to stop this. She has had support, she has refused help. Those poor children, and where is the father in all of this?

I think the judgement is right.

[handcream]

She has had lots of support, refused all help

[STOPwiththehahaheheloling]

Handcream not sure if you read the article but the father is there. The mother is on the Autistic spectrum with other issues too and the father has (IIRC) learning difficulties to a greater extent than the mother.

[handcream]

Tbh I believe the courts made the right decision. Those poor children coming into the world with parents like this

[handcream]

Bearing in mind both have refused help and support, just keep having children because they don't know what they are doing. Do we stop them when something tragic happens and we all wring our hands claiming they haven't been supported

[STOPwiththehahaheheloling]

Not sure if you are addressing me or just talking in general handcream?

[footflapper]

She was feeding one of her newborns cup a soups

[handcream]

Sorry, I am speaking generally. She and her partner clearly don't know what is right or wrong. What is the alternative?

[STOPwiththehahaheheloling]

Oh thats ok, wasnt sure if you were asking me for answers.

[WandaFuca]

Here's a link to the court judgment: www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCOP/2014/11.html

It's a very sad case. The woman "has been known to social services for almost all of her life, the subject of a child protection plan as an infant as a result of concerns about her ill-treatment at the hands of her own parents." Add in to that her moderate learning difficulties and her (very recent) diagnosis of autism, it seems the odds were stacked against her since her birth.

There's no doubt that the support services have been doing their utmost for a very long time but, ultimately, it's a case of this young woman not being able to comprehend the risk of her death if she were to give birth as she wished.