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MumsnetGuestPosts · 14/10/2014 12:57

Our first sexual experiences can be character-forming and life-changing. We know that most teenagers will have had sex by the time they are 19, and up to a third of them are having sex under the age of 16 - yet still, sex education in schools often focuses on the biology of sex and contraception, and not much else.

Thinking about our own experiences is a good place to start when considering the extent to which sex education needs to be reformed. Peer pressure, alcohol, boyfriends we look back on and shudder over - any number of factors might have meant that pleasure wasn’t paramount in those early encounters, but one sure-fire way of helping today’s young people have positive experiences is teaching them that sex is about mutual enjoyment.

Of course, learning about STIs and unwanted pregnancy are important – but this does little to help teenagers’ understanding of consent, respect and pleasure. Scaremongering approaches can create “sex-negative” environments, and hamper healthy sexual development. In schools, we are failing to celebrate the fact that sex is a vital and enjoyable aspect of our humanity.

As has been well-documented, young people are turning to pornography to plug the gaps in their sex education. The message they receive here is that vigorously pounding a woman’s mouth, vagina and anus is the norm, and that the male orgasm is the be-all and end-all of sex. Any expectation of intimacy, sensuality and a connected sexual experience with a partner is eradicated, and females are presented as objects contributing to male sexual pleasure.

Porn isn't the only issue. In a society that bombards young people with conflicting messages about sex, consent and pleasure, positive sexual relationships can be hard for young people to achieve. Sex and nakedness are presented as immoral, whilst simultaneously being plastered across billboards to sell everything from cars to holidays. Girls receive the message that they must be feminine and sexually attractive, although females who are perceived as sexually active and available are castigated as “sluts”. Boys, meanwhile, are under to pressure to perform competitive masculinity – liking anything ‘feminine’ or being sensitive leads to ridicule and abuse.

Such perspectives do disservice to young people of both genders, and do serious damage to the goal of teaching safe sex on their terms. We need to rethink the role that parents and teachers play in healthy sexual development. We should all be working towards a common goal: for young people to have safe sexual relationships - in line with their own values and attitudes and free from coercion or pressure - that are (and here’s the bit that tends to make the educators cringe) pleasurable. We’re prevented from achieving this because the moral panic around sexualisation means we’re reluctant to talk about pleasure to the under 18s - we’re scared of encouraging sex too early. But talking about sex does not encourage sex, any more than an umbrella causes rain.

Teaching pleasure is so essential because it’s inextricably linked to teaching consent - by emphasising mutual enjoyment, making it clear that sex is about what women want, too, we encourage respect, and train boys out of the idea that women are there to be used.

Learning to recognise pleasure means that boys and girls will be able to ‘read’ the other person’s body language, and stop immediately if there are any indicators that their partner is not enjoying the situation. Sex shouldn't be painful. Unfortunately, the myth about “cherry popping” still persists, and this gives young people, particularly young women, the idea that early sexual encounters should hurt. We need to be able to talk about lubrication, arousal and communication to young people without embarrassment.

We also need to remind teenagers that their first sexual experience can be with themselves. Understanding their own sexual responses via masturbation aids understanding about pleasure. Women in particular receive strong messages that masturbation is taboo, but if a young woman is confident in her own body and what brings her pleasure, she is more likely to feel confident about articulating these and less likely to engage in experiences that she doesn't enjoy. Having frank conversations with teenage girls about female orgasms and the existence and purpose of the clitoris may seem extreme, but it’s essential if we want our daughter’s to own their sexuality.

The most important thing is teaching young people that they are all valuable and unique - that they all have rights, but that with those rights come responsibilities. We need to teach them about healthy relationships that include respect, trust, communication, consent, negotiation, pleasure, as well as how to recognise some of the relationship red flags within unhealthy relationships.

Having these conversations is probably one of the most valuable things you can do to support young people’s healthy sexual development. Of course these conversations aren't always easy - social taboos mean there are barriers for both parents and educators - but they’re essential, because with them, young people will be better equipped to avoid situations that lead to risk and harm, and more able to enjoy safe, pleasurable sex lives.

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noblegiraffe · 14/10/2014 13:13

Young people need to be told sexual pleasure is an expectation but I am not sure in a classroom, with a maths teacher reluctantly roped in to teach PSHE is an appropriate environment.

Isn't this where More magazine and suchlike step in?

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aturtlenamedmack · 14/10/2014 13:22

I completely agree (wrote my dissertation on this) but I think it needs to be part if a massive overhaul in the way that SRE is taught and prioritised.
noble is right, this will be no good coming from teachers who are under trained, under supported and uncomfortable.

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BackOnlyBriefly · 14/10/2014 13:39

In the sense that they need to understand the whole subject in context then yes. Not as 'the lesson today will about sexual pleasure'. It should be integrated into the whole lesson plan and be as matter-of-fact as possible. The more you teach them the better the chance that they will make the right decisions later. These days that means teaching them before they pick up all the wrong ideas from the internet.

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paddlenorapaddle · 14/10/2014 15:03

The title turns my stomach it just does mark me down as a prude that's
fine but the idea that the cool maths teacher is going to be talking to my impressionable teen about achieving orgasm n satisfaction goes against the grain

How about teaching our children self worth and connectedness with each other, mutual consent within relationships less me and more we.
And that pornography is fantasy not fact. Lets teach them to value their sexuality it's not a commodity nor is it anyone else's business

In context fact based

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Mumto3dc · 14/10/2014 16:23

Bravo! I couldn't agree more.

I have 2 young boys (8 and 5) and one on the way, and a 3 yr old daughter. I regard it as part of my parental duties to teach them all about the pleasure of mutual sex for both sexes.

The thought of bringing up boys who simply use women for their own pleasure horrifies me. And the thought of my daughter being used is just HmmHmmHmmHmmHmm

At their current ages all we are doing is using biological names for sexual organs, talking about male and female sexual anatomy and basic facts of reproduction. And most importantly constantly reinforcing ideas of bodily integrity, that we all have the right to say what happens with our own body - if someone tells you or shows you they don't like what you are doing, you stop straight away.

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itsbetterthanabox · 14/10/2014 16:30

I completely agree. It shouldn't just be teachers though it needs to be sex ed specialists coming in,
They need to know about relationships, self worth and that sex should be enjoyable. This is so important for young women who often feel they have to placated men and do sexual acts to be accepted.

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SaucyMare · 14/10/2014 17:36

They need to be taught that porn isn't real, that girls shouldnt be tied up and have willies so far down their throats they gag and cry, whilst their head are being held steady.

They need to be taught they can say no that doesn't look fun, and STOP this isn't fun.

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CatKisser · 14/10/2014 18:06

You're right saucymare
I also think girls should be taught to listen to their "spidey sense." If something feels "wrong" or your inner voice is saying "I don't want to be doing this," they should feel able to get out of that situation.
Unfortunately, the worry of being labelled frigid or a cock tease means girls are doing things they really don't feel comfortable with.

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GodPlayedByJamesMason · 14/10/2014 18:11

I'm a youth worker who does sessions on sex and relationships with young people; the amount of young people (more often young women) who do not connect sex with pleasure/fun is alarming, sex as something to do for "power"/to keep a boyfriend/to get one-up on another young women then sure but as something they might want to do (and the thought of female orgasm is practically unthinkable whereas men's is a right it seems) then no, not really

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amybeth11 · 14/10/2014 18:13

I also think that more should be taught about women's sexual hygiene and sexual anatomy. I knew what a wet dream was before I knew that a clitoris existed, and I can remember a nurse coming into school to tell us about boners but never once mentioned how to tell if you've got a yeast infection. I could tell you what precum was but vaginal discharge was a mystery to me until I was well into my teens. Boys should be taught this as well as girls, I'm having a baby boy in a couple of weeks and I would never want him to grow up thinking that all sex is like a porno and women are all neat and tidy like barbie dolls 'down there'. I want my son to grow up only knowing that respect and consent are normal and always the right thing. I want him to learn how to make love, not how to f* (pardon me but you get what I'm trying to say!)
I also think that teachers should stop teaching kids that sex is always bad. Sex is a wonderful thing when with the right person, at the right time, for the right reasons. I'm also all for kids being taught about homosexuality, because who else is going to teach them these things? No wonder they turn to porn.
It's 2014, we all know sex isn't just about making babies anymore!

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BookABooSue · 14/10/2014 20:21

I don't think it is about squeamishness. I do think it's about prioritising the most important messages when you have a time limited slot and considering the most appropriate person to provide such information.

In the context of equality and consent, messages about pleasure may be appropriate but I'm sorry I don't think it should be the main message because, talking to young people. that's not the main message they're missing from sex education. They know sex should be pleasurable. They're not as sure on consent, on their right to say 'no', on how to navigate additional pressures from the changing landscape around porn and contraception. They have no idea about emotionally abusive relationships.

I'd be interested to see the peer-reviewed research with substantial groups of teens that highlighted the idea of pleasure was the most important missing component in the sex education they received at school.

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housemoverihope · 14/10/2014 20:44

This is interesting as I teach biology and just this morning an 11 year old wanted to know why people have sex if they aren't trying to have a baby. It was easy to address this describing mutual enjoyment in a stable and loving relationship. I am supposed to stick to the mechanics but having had horrendous conversations with year 9 students about anal and oral sex, I reinforce the message of mutual consent and enjoyment wherever possible.

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avocadotoast · 14/10/2014 21:57

It definitely needs to be specialists coming into schools to teach this kind of thing. Thinking back to sex education at my own school, it always seemed to be an embarrassed science teacher trying to get the information across to us.

This sort of thing should be taught in an accessible way from an early age. We need to stop teaching our teenage girls that their only worth is as a sexual commodity.

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Passmethecrisps · 14/10/2014 21:58

A pp made an excellent comment referring to the 'roping in' of teachers for PSHE. This is exactly the problem.

I teach PSHE as a specialist pastoral care teacher - I teach my own subject but I have been trained in and have time committed to the teaching of PSHE.

I teach sex ed in the way discussed and have had largely excellent feedback. One comment sticks out though. . .

"Miss. This is amazing. It's like you are telling us to have sex"

Where children are used to being told that sex is not for them the teacher who sticks their head above the parapet risks this response from pupils and then the fall out from parents.

The training I received was designed on the Dutch system and deliver to me by a Dutch woman. I remember sharing my worry about the "telling us to have sex" given the positivity we were encouraged to have and she was astonished. "But sex is fabulous! Why shouldn't they have it if they are educated enough?" Was the reply.

I love teaching this way and cannot see why we shouldn't adopt it fully. Out teachers of PSHE need to be FULLY TRAINED, however

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Passmethecrisps · 14/10/2014 22:01

And honestly, despite how they might react to parents, children genuinely don't want strangers delivering a lesson on sex ed. they need weeks of availability and follow up. They need to be able to say to then teacher "you know when you said . . . " to the teacher who said it.

Getting in 'specialists' makes it seem as if none of us have sex

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MollyBdenum · 14/10/2014 22:07

I absolutely agree. I also think that it's pretty shocking that a 17 year old girl is considered old enough to consent to sex with a man, but not old enough to own a vibrator.

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dansmum · 14/10/2014 22:11

why all the discussion about what sort of teacher/specialist/youth worker should deliver this specialist training ? Yes, it is so important that YOU, yes,YOU the parent, who knows your child best and is the one person you hope they trust to give them honest information. I had 'the talk' with my son age 8 because he asked me, he has asked me about gay and straight sex, he has asked me about everything, including relationships and pleasure, about men and womens bodies, whilst queuing at Tesco's tills is not the best place to answer these questions,for him if he asks, I answer.honestly, sometimes with the help of the internet ! If I cant do that, explaining something which is so important to raise him as a sensitive and caring partner, that speaks volumes about my issues with sexuality. It's easier when they are younger and not yet fully sexually active- a sort of theory before the practical approach. It is far easier to be straightforward than you think ! Be brave, raising kids is often out of your comfort zone !

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MollyBdenum · 14/10/2014 22:17

I care about how sex education is delivered in schools because while I can make sure that my children are well educated, I can't ensure that their sexual partners had a similar level of sex education.

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CrispyFern · 14/10/2014 23:35

Absolutely great post. Where do I vote for you to be in charge of all this?

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Scarletohello · 14/10/2014 23:35

Totally agree with this. Some years ago I did a Tantra course, it taught me so much, it felt like it was like sex education for adults and I thought it would be amazing to teach teenagers how their bodies worked, how to be respectful to yourself and your partner, how to know what you enjoyed and how to ask for it. I don't think teachers should be the ones to do this, it should be specialists who come in and do this sensitive work.

However I fear that there are too many prudes and conservatives that will block this and thereby do their own children a massive disservice. We are swamped with an epidemic of vile porn that is warping the minds of boys and brainwashing/ terrifying girls.

We can't ignore this any longer...

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AlleyCat11 · 15/10/2014 09:18

I didn't find out anything useful, or that I didn't already know, about sex in school. We were shown what was more or less a biology video with cartoons, by somebody who came to the school as part of a programme. We were all over 16 by then, but we still giggled like a bunch of convent schoolgirls. Even at the time I thought it was silly. That was 20 years ago.
I was a regular reader of Just Seventeen & More since puberty, although a lot of my friends weren't allowed to buy them. I also asked my mother plenty of questions. She was a young, open mum. Most of my friends wouldn't have dared approach their mother. But I think parental responsibility is number one. Kids don't often take teachers seriously...
I appreciate that the sexual landscape has changed entirely. I wouldn't like to like to be a girl growing up now. Apart from porn, the Internet, body shaming & sexual expectations, there's love, romance & respect. They are a crucial ingredient that seem to missing from the mix. Male power & dominance? Scary. A well educated generation of women are being conditioned to this as a norm.
My doctor recently told me that she's seen four recent cases of syphilis, something that she had not previously encountered in twenty years of practice. So yes, the issue of sexual pleasure needs to be addressed but more so, mutual respect, consent & healthy relationships. Schools can certainly provide a module, but the real work needs to be done at home in my opinion.

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Wotsitsareafterme · 15/10/2014 11:41

I question that a third of teens have sex under 16. What's the source of this stat?

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Lemele · 15/10/2014 14:40

I agree with the comments that we as parents need to take more responsibility, have open and honest conversations, etc. I would never leave sex ed solely down to schools. Of course, we can't guarantee that parents do this, which is why I think it's important that education covers as much as it can, too. Not in an 'lets give teachers even more work to do' way, but rather, covering wider topics than just the basic biological technique which most kids already know by the time they get the lessons in school.

Also, wotsits, I've no idea about the statistic but certainly just from when I was at school 11 years ago I could name at least a quarter of girls (sorry, don't know about the boys) in my class who had sex under 16, and I can't imagine that number would have changed 'for the better' since then.

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AliceHoylePSHE · 15/10/2014 14:54

In response to comments- no definitely not non-specialist PSHE teachers who don't want to teach the subject as they can do more harm than good. Outside specialists are welcome but as an addition, core teaching staff need to be specially trained, and available to students over the whole year not for a single lesson or drop down day. Discussions on pleasure need to be incorporated as part of the whole approach to SRE not as a standalone single lesson which wouldn't be that helpful. Also totally agree about teaching girls about discharge and the change in it during the menstrual cycle and talking about cystitis, bacterial vaginosis and thrush and how to prevent such infections! Finally the stat about 1/3 is from NATSAL (super robust study) (www.natsal.ac.uk/media/823260/natsal_findings_final.pdf) it was similar in the 2001 version of study too.
Oh and Crispy Fern I am totally up for being in charge of it. I'd sort it right out! Thanks for your kind responses to this piece.

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Vickisuli · 16/10/2014 18:51

Re how many are having sex under 16, I can believe the statistic. When I was in the equivalent of year 7 in 1990 I was totally innocent and had very little knowledge of sex, and as far as I know everyone I knew was the same. When I was in 6th form a year 7 gave a blow job to several boys on the school ski trip. If things had changed that much in the space of 6 years I dread to think how it is now.

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