just banged face

[jodie1984]

ds 11mths was walking when he slipped and banged his cheek bone on a glass coffee table, it has bruised already and has only just stopped crying. i have given him some calpol is there anything else i need to do?
it was 10mins ago

thank you jodie

[southeastastra]

Put on a cold compress or frozen pea packet to help reduce swelling, poor thing was it on the corner?

[alexw]

Arnica - either tablets or cream

[Twiglett]

ice yes .. calpol good .. arnica has been proved to have a placebo effect only

[jodie1984]

it was on the edge, he tried to pick something up off the floor and walk at the same time and stood on his hands i think. hes soo enthusiastic to do things he needs to calm down a bit.

thank you i will try a cold flannel, im a bit worried about putting him to bed no tho.

thank you

[Twiglett]

\link{http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/alternat/AT012.html\arnica research}

why are you worried about putting him to bed ? has he not calmed down fully yet?

[jodie1984]

i've always been told not to let people sleep when they have hit there head, maybe old wives tail not sure.
hes just winging, he will be off in the bath soon.

Jodie

[Twiglett]

but he hit his cheek bone .. kind of like hitting his arm really so personally I wouldn't worry .. but you will cos you're his mum

anyway the signs to look out for with head bumps are nausea, unconsciousness and not screaming or bruising

[jodie1984]

ok thank you

[hub2dee]

Nice link, Twig. Just out of interest though, the review looked at homeopathic applications of arnica (ie in dilution from the 'mother tincture'). I wonder if the claims also apply to very much more concentrated (ie. traditional 'herbal' type applications) of a very pure form of arnica IYSWIM...

[Twiglett]

\link{http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/news-ng.asp?id=37221\this one better}

[hub2dee]

I've never understood the homeopathic dilution / notation thang... but that study stills sounds like it is examining cream preparations formulated homeopathically (ie. a tiny little bit of pure arnica goes a very long way) rather than 'smack a shed load of very concentrated arnica on' IYSWIM.

[Twiglett]

look hub .. twig's sister says its bollocks and she's a hippy vegetarian from hell .. just accept it

[hub2dee]

But you must point out to your sister (Pringlette ?) that she needs to read the summary properly, or else she is being thick.



(Please don't tell me I'm defending the homeopaths here, LOL)

[ComeOVeneer]

I'm surprised by the reasearch findings tbh I swear by the stuff and my patients I recommend it to all come back with good reports.

[Rhubarb]

I'm with Twig on this one. Over here they live off homeopathic remedies and not one of them bloody work! I've tried them for my hayfever, I might as well have taken sweets for all the good it did (yes I did read the instructions!), and ds's creché have Arnica on standby but it never stops him coming home covered in bruises!

[hub2dee]

comester, but if you told them to go home and ask their dp to massage their lower back (assuming some weirdy meridian line of energy chakra alignment means nerve endings in the jaw can be soothed and calmed by extended gentle massage around the tailbone or whatever) your patients would get the same benefit.

Erm... IYSWIM.



PS - news on the little fella ?

[Twiglett]

oh well said Rhubarb

[hub2dee]

Not defending Pringlette then, huh ?

[jodie1984]

sorry to interupt but just to let you know he went to bed fine, i did try a cold flannel but he just kept on trying to suck it dry?!?!

oh and by the way i have no idea what arnica is so cant comment

thank you for all of your advice

jodie x

[hub2dee]

Sorry for the slight hijack btw.

Maybe offer extra water / milk if he's drying your flannel for you !

Hope he has a calm night.

[jodie1984]

oh thats ok.

I try not to give him any juice or water after 6.30pm or he wont drink his milk at bedtime, im not neglecting him honest :)

[jodie1984]

oh thats ok.

I try not to give him any juice or water after 6.30pm or he wont drink his milk at bedtime, im not neglecting him honest :)

[LIZS]

arnica cream is a naturally based gel which brings out bruising and limits swelling. Great stuff to ahve around for all those knocks you inevitably are about to encounter.

[Twiglett]

arnica cream is a homeopathic solution that has been fairly widely discredited as having anything other than a placebo effect

(yes I believed in it with first c-section, but didn't use it with 2nd and had no difference in bruising / scarring)

[hub2dee]

\link{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnica\Wikipedia} elaborates:

"Arnica montana and Arnica chamissonis contain helenalin, a sesquiterpene lactone that is a major ingredient in anti-inflammatory preparations (mostly against bruises)."

Isn't is possible for the preparations to exist in two concentrations - one homeopathic one where it is diluted to nth degree, and another hardcore / pure / extracted one (ie with loads of helenalin) which actually does something IYSWIM ?

The studies seem to discredit homeopathic treatments using it (which is fine by me), but don't seem to address the specific point, which is 'does helenalin actually do anything useful re: bruising'...