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If medical staff have removed a nasal feeding tube and the patient's bed says, "Nil by mouth"...

(23 Posts)
Carrotsandcelery Mon 22-Aug-11 22:07:28

...is the patient not being fed at all?

A relative of mine has suffered a severe stroke. She has now had her nasal feeding tube removed and there is a sign on her bed saying, "Nil by mouth". Is she being starved to death or would there be another reason for this?

Cleverything Mon 22-Aug-11 22:08:24

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MitchiestInge Mon 22-Aug-11 22:09:22

maybe is parenteral nutrition thing?

Himalayanbalsam Mon 22-Aug-11 22:12:26

She should be getting some sort of nutrition I think. The nil by mouth will be because the stroke has affected her swallowing and she cannot take food by that route.

Bear in mind that her energy needs are not anything like yours are as she is not active. Choking/inhaling food will do her far more harm than reduced nutrition for now.

Are you visiting - can you ask the nurses?

Carrotsandcelery Mon 22-Aug-11 22:12:54

She does have another drip in her arm.

What is parenteral nutrition?

She is not going to have an op but she was being transfered to another hospital.

Carrotsandcelery Mon 22-Aug-11 22:14:59

We were visiting but the transfer will make this much more difficult. My parents will hopefully be able to make the journey though and have been asking questions up until now.

Cleverything Mon 22-Aug-11 22:15:50

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MitchiestInge Mon 22-Aug-11 22:15:52

intravenous feeding I think

nutritional stuff going into veins?

Carrotsandcelery Mon 22-Aug-11 22:18:46

That is a relief. Thank you everyone.

MitchiestInge Mon 22-Aug-11 22:31:00

just thought - if your relative is dying maybe there won't be any sort of nutrition though

you could ask if they are on Liverpool care pathway? hope you get some information soon

bilblio Mon 22-Aug-11 22:35:44

Yep, agree with what everyone else says. I'm a speech & language therapy assistant, we also cover eating & drinking & swallowing.
There's a very high risk of food or fluids going down the wrong way (being aspirated) when people have strokes. It can cause choking, or pneumonia. It's called dysphagia. Often it's temporary and as your relative improves she should be able to manage food and fluids again, although she'll probably need a modified diet for a while, soft foods etc.
The nil by mouth should be a temporary measure and she'll be seen by a speech & language therapist who'll assess further.

Carrotsandcelery Mon 22-Aug-11 22:41:48

She is not really conscious just now. She was sort of on Friday but yesterday she wasn't really. I think she probably is dying.

MitchiestInge Mon 22-Aug-11 22:45:56

sad is she very old?

Carrotsandcelery Tue 23-Aug-11 11:26:30

She is 89 Mitchie and has lived a full and busy life. It is very sad though as we all love her very dearly. sad

coccyx Tue 23-Aug-11 11:33:18

still needs hydration

Carrotsandcelery Fri 26-Aug-11 19:40:01

She died this morning. I am so sad Thanks for all the information everyone.

RabbitPie Fri 26-Aug-11 20:18:59

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bilblio Sat 27-Aug-11 21:21:10

So sorry Carrots. sad

Carrotsandcelery Sat 27-Aug-11 22:31:59

Thank you.

MitchiestInge Sat 27-Aug-11 22:33:12

sorry for your loss carrotsandcelery, sounds like she will be greatly missed

Carrotsandcelery Sat 27-Aug-11 22:38:36

She will be Mitchie. She had an amazing life though with a lot of love in it.

MitchiestInge Sat 27-Aug-11 23:01:05

what a lovely thing to be able to say of someone, hope it is a comfort

hope you have family/friends around too?

jasper Sat 27-Aug-11 23:12:35

a great life and a peaceful death. You can't ask for more

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