How can Labour keep supporting Remain now?

[shinytorch2]

Tom Watson now agreeing with Mr and Mrs Balls that freedom of movement needs reforming - apparently it's an issue that's come up on the doorstep.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/14/tom-watson-eu-freedom-movement-may-need-reform

[shinytorch2]

And here is Frank Field's take on it - he acknowledges the gulf between Labour supporters and the Labour HQ

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/14/eu-immigration-control-labour-supporters-voters-party

[puddlejumpingqueen]

Because the EU is a lot more than free movement?

[YourPerception]

The Cruddas report took time to be accepted.

The EU can't be changed from within they want the opposite they want closer union and a USE.

[YourPerception]

They’ve heard politicians say that Brussels is about to change for the better if only we are all patient once more, and they know it never does change.

Our voters are wiser on this big question than Labour’s leaders, and I hope if Brexit does occur on 23 June a “freedom flame” will start to burn across the continent and social democratic parties, trade unionists and social justice campaigners will rise up against the existing EU model. It’s a model that suits Goldman Sachs and big businesses who want cheap labour

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[Limer]

Brussels about to change for the better - will never happen. It's always "jam tomorrow" with the EU.

And as for Labour suddenly realising that EU migration's a problem - it's ten years too late for them to have noticed that.

[Justchanged]

Because they care about the welfare of the people? You can't support public services without a strong economy and breaking contact with our largest trading partner is economic suicide.

[Limer]

Staying in the EU is economic suicide. The Eurozone's in meltdown, Greece needs another bailout, the Italian banks are in crisis. The Euro will collapse before long. More poorer countries lined up to join the EU, needing more cash from the richer ones.

[Winterbiscuit]

Brussels about to change for the better - will never happen. It's always "jam tomorrow" with the EU.

Yes. I think we can expect a cascade of "new offers" this week from the Remain side and the EU itself. They'll suddenly appear to listen and change their mind on various topics. I do not believe any of it will be genuine.

[BelfastBloke]

Unpolluted beaches around the UK is not 'jam tomorrow'. It's here, thanks to the EU.

The abolition of the death penalty across Europe is not 'jam tomorrow'. It's here, thanks to the EU.