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chopc Sun 14-Jun-20 10:06:54

The government has magicked up / created money to pay people's wages/ support businesses etc - surely it can do the same for the education sector so that it can invest more money in day portacabins and the like to get students back to school?

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ohthegoats Sun 14-Jun-20 10:12:42

There aren't enough porta cabins in the country.

They'll just put the SD down to 1m and be done with.

StaffAssociationRepresentative Sun 14-Jun-20 10:17:37

Schools, also by magic, have to fund extra cleaning, hand gel from existing budget. State education is woefully underfunded and has been for decades

chopc Sun 14-Jun-20 10:21:59

@StaffAssociationRepresentative no they wouldn't my question is that's the government can give them the money they have magicked up just like they did for businesses, charities etc

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WhenSheWasBad Sun 14-Jun-20 10:23:12

There aren't enough porta cabins in the country

This. I don’t know what the solution is. Education definitely needs more investment. But throwing money at the problem won’t magic up 100s of thousands of porta cabins and the staff to teach in them by September.

It’s an awful situation for everyone.

EmperorCovidula Sun 14-Jun-20 10:23:29

They haven’t magicked it up. They’re borrowing it.

Barbie222 Sun 14-Jun-20 10:23:38

I think it's comparatively cheap to repurpose two or three existing large scale buildings. The problem with "just put in a few portacabins" are the sheer numbers involved - we couldn't manufacture enough by September. The cost too.

I think though at 1m a lot of people are going to be disappointed - 1m is what I am currently offering with 15 in a class. The bubble size is the limiting factor. I think we will be looking at class sizes of 15 until social distancing is formally scrapped. If this is a year or 18 months away, I can see how a government would be reluctant to fund expensive short term strategies like portacabins. Not sure what the answer is. Existing community buildings could work for some schools but not all.

Duckfinger Sun 14-Jun-20 10:28:51

We don't want more money ( well other than what we always need).
What we want is to scrap social distancing in school and get classes back to 30 sowe can get on with sorting out the mess that's been created over the last few months.
The stats just don't justify this level of disruption.
Over 90% of children in relevant year groups have returned so clearly the parents at our school feel the same as us. Our head made it clear in the letter we would not be social distancing within our bubbles.

ineedaholidaynow Sun 14-Jun-20 10:29:45

We needed more funding before this. Currently looking at next year’s budgets and we are going to have to cut teachers and mix year groups. Terribly sad. If social distancing is going to continue into September that is going to be even harder with a reduced staff.

Barbie222 Sun 14-Jun-20 10:32:27

* Over 90% of children in relevant year groups have returned*

The national figure is 50%. I have a third of my class back. If parents are keen about a wider school return perhaps we need to do some reaching out to reluctant parents so that the poll stats change first. It's very frustrating.

ohthegoats Sun 14-Jun-20 10:33:02

It's not a Nightingale situation. Even taking the premises bit out of it (with secondary specialist classrooms not even considered), we're in trouble.

If you actually look at what various suggestions have been, even from politicians (Layla Moran for example), what they are suggesting is that parents would hand their children over to a stranger at an empty Serco office/town hall etc. Just can't see that happening.

toomanypillows Sun 14-Jun-20 10:34:10

@Duckfinger out of 156 eligible students in my school, only 2 are returning tomorrow, so not everyone wants it.

We won't have any problem with distancing, though 😂

ohthegoats Sun 14-Jun-20 10:35:38

* Over 90% of children in relevant year groups have returned*

No they haven't. It's between 30 and 50%. In my school there are only 16 out of a year group of 48 in current year 6 bubbles. More said they'd be coming, but they haven't. This has meant that our bubbles were made with the 'more' in mind, so we are now out of staff to be able to open more bubbles.

CuriousaboutSamphire Sun 14-Jun-20 10:35:57

Even if you could magic up the portacabins you'd need old soaks like me to come out of retirement too.

There simply aren't enough trained teachers. TAs are already over utilised.

If you ever doubted what many teachers have been shouting, striking and pleading for, this should show you very clearly.

There are not enough good, qualified teachers and conditions do not make teaching a good long term prospect for many - no matter how you viewed it before this should make you rethink!

CuriousaboutSamphire Sun 14-Jun-20 10:37:29

Oh... No. I am not saying teachers have it worse than any other equally strained profession.

But I was a teacher, I was not any other profession, so I speak from my experience.

Duckfinger Sun 14-Jun-20 10:40:03

Barbie222

* Over 90% of children in relevant year groups have returned*

The national figure is 50%. I have a third of my class back. If parents are keen about a wider school return perhaps we need to do some reaching out to reluctant parents so that the poll stats change first. It's very frustrating.

That's a shame.

We are a village school and there have only been a handful of cases in the village and no deaths. I would imagine this is the main reason for our high numbers. Also as we are around 20 minutes from 2 hospitals we have a lot of NHS children so have had around 40 in each day throughout.
The NHS staff are keen to tell us that the hospitals (which serve cities) are now only having 1 or 2 cases a week, as a result the general feeling in the village is that the threat is all but gone.

ohthegoats Sun 14-Jun-20 10:40:16

I don't think there is any doubt that education needs more money in general. Particularly for SEND children, both in specialist provision and in mainstream. Mental health is a significant challenge, and has been for years. It's going to be much worse after this too. So, CAMHS funding too please.

Duckfinger Sun 14-Jun-20 10:41:15

ohthegoats

* Over 90% of children in relevant year groups have returned*

No they haven't. It's between 30 and 50%. In my school there are only 16 out of a year group of 48 in current year 6 bubbles. More said they'd be coming, but they haven't. This has meant that our bubbles were made with the 'more' in mind, so we are now out of staff to be able to open more bubbles.

In the school I work in yes they have.and I was clearly talking about our school and our parents.

ohthegoats Sun 14-Jun-20 10:41:18

the general feeling in the village is that the threat is all but gone

Which is also a problem. But not relevant to this thread.

ohthegoats Sun 14-Jun-20 10:43:27

was clearly talking about our school and our parents

Also irrelevant to this thread. If you're going to throw numbers around as a discussion point, then make them national, because the thread is about national responses.

ineedaholidaynow Sun 14-Jun-20 10:44:49

In DS’s private school they certainly haven’t had 90% pupils return, in fact one eligible year group had 0% wanting to return, and this is with parents having to still pay nearly 100% fees.

Uhoh2020 Sun 14-Jun-20 11:00:12

@Duckfinger are you a teacher/headteacher? Do schools need to keep provisions in place for the whole class or just the ones that have said they are returning? Out of the 30 children in my ds reception class only 6 said they were returning. They have decided not to have the reception year back in, I'm wondering if its because they would in effect have 24 empty spaces that could accommodate other children

Barbie222 Sun 14-Jun-20 11:12:50

I think until Gavins announcement this week, only the eligible year groups could return, so space in their bubble needed to be prioritised over children in other year groups who wanted to return.

NotAnotherUserNumber Sun 14-Jun-20 11:13:19

There are around 32,800 schools in the UK. Let’s assume each school needs around 6 new classrooms (which is probably a huge underestimate to get all children back in cohort classrooms). So that is around 200,000 classrooms needed.

Let’s ignore the fact that there aren’t 200,000 modular classrooms/portacabins available and there aren’t the millions of builders required to assemble all of these and just consider the cost of the buildings themselves. According to google, modular classrooms cost around £85k to £100k (https://www.pfmodular.co.uk/modular-classroom-cost-uk/ ) So the total cost would be around 20 billion pounds.

This of course ignores the fact that many schools don’t have the land space for these new classrooms and the logistics of building this many at once are literally impossible.

ineedaholidaynow Sun 14-Jun-20 11:27:36

Does anyone know when the announcement is going to be made in respect of the massive catch up plan the Government are introducing? Hopefully there will be additional funding for that.

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