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Friend & Co-worker Not Returning Money For Work Expenses

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poppycity · 10/02/2019 15:49

I am very careful with money and don't lend money to friends I know that it can ruin relationships. I've helped friends out in need when I've chosen to but agree with people like Martin Lewis that loaning friends money is a recipe for disaster so when a friend is in a hard place I'm happy to help but as a gift not a loan (for example friend whose dp left and she was a sahm, I brought meals and gave them vouchers and money as a gift her her to buy business attire for an interview etc.)

I have a friend who we did a freelance gig together. We both work for NGO's. We each were responsible for doing different things and paid differently and submitted receipts individually. Hope that makes sense. Anyway, this friend has had money woes and now can't have a credit card. So when it came time to it she asked me if I could put her travel expense on my card (travel coming to around 180 quid). She asked if they could book for her but they couldn't (same with me, had to be reimbursed) so I said yes. Anyway I paid for both. She said she'd pay me when we got back, and mentioned that the following week she was being paid by both lodgers so she didn't expect me to wait until the NGO reimbursed, and then she'd make the claim just as I was doing.

We got back and she had no money, had to borrow money for rent from a different friend. No mention of the lodgers rent which was when she said she'd pay. This friend I loaned funds to has a full time job plus does freelance monthly compared to my 1-2x a year, has two lodgers, has a generous maintenance from ex-h 570/month plus 1/2 of all child related expenses and I would say the challenge is she has a lot of unnecessary expenses. She lets a large home so has large bills (hence the two lodgers), they have four dogs, they eat out 2-3x a week, go to the hairdresser every 6-8 weeks, travel, can easily spend 200-300 quid in a weekend. Nothing wrong with that but she spends every pound that comes in, has no savings so even though she's nearing 50, she knows her only change in circumstance will be when her lovely parents pass away and split the sale of their home between her and her two sisters. Saving is just not her thing.

So this travel was over 2 months ago. I've been reimbursed for the company for mine, but she hadn't b/c she submitted the receipt a month late. She said she'd give it but was borrowing money off a mutual friend as she couldn't make rent (true, has done it a few times). She then said she'd pay me as soon as cheque received instead. She received cheque Jan 24th. It's more than cleared. In that time she's been to the hairdresser, gone to the cinema, got all the dogs kitted out with new winter matching coats, had dinners out. All posted on social media. In the same time I've spent 0 on fun, cut my dc hair at home, not eaten out. She's also gone for another freelance gig and got two, these are both paying, probably in the region of 1-2K. She won't have been paid yet, but it's definitely coming and likely the reason for all the spending.

I mentioned last week whether the cheque cleared, she said almost and she's so sorry it took so long. But she's also been off with me. We get along very well and I've barely heard from her since the date she was told the cheque would clear except she wondered if we could dog sit next weekend b/c they are planning a budget break. We would normally speak 2-3x a week and see each other weekly for chat or something usually while walking dogs and then maybe a hot drink after (often at mine as I live near the place we walk dogs). From the date she received the cheque I've heard nothing from her except asking about dog sitting. That's 2.5 weeks of virtually no contact with someone I would usually have some contact with daily.

I know not to lend money. I really didn't see this as that. This is for a professional job and she did try to use her cash account but didn't have enough in to cover it. She also tried to get work to pay in advance but they could only issue reimbursements. It wasn't something she planned. But we are both single parents, she's a good friend, has been lovely to our family, it was a work expense so I thought the likelihood she'd pay back was huge. In fact I never questioned whether she would. We've known each other for years and she's a good soul. But this feels very unfair and I'm not sure what my next step should be? I'm finding it hard to communicate with her. After her reply about the cheque "almost clearing" the only other message I've received was "some of us have work" when I mentioned I hoped all was well b/c we hadn't seen her recently (normally see her walking dogs) and normally give her a lift somewhere each week as to save money she got rid of her car. I definitely feel like for the first time in our many years long friendship she's avoiding me. All was fine after the trip (was only 1 night), it has just been since the 24th when the cheque hit her account...

What do I do from here? I really don't want this to destroy the friendship but we are a very slim budget family, I don't have child maintenance and this has created hardship. The bill is unpaid and interest is accumulating. This is the second month I haven't been able to pay it off. We have about 1/4 of what she has coming in and I have three dc including a child with autism (pretty severe) with lots of added expenses and it means a cut to my work hours too as after school club can't accommodate, to her one child and no child care costs (her child is older than my dc). That's not her problem, but I think probably why this stings a bit more. The cheque was in the 24th, surely it's more than cleared by now?! How to get the funds without harming the friendship?

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ILoveBray · 10/02/2019 15:56

Either write it off and keep the friendship or push her for the money and lose the friendship.

Only you can decide which is more important.

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MrsGarethSouthgate · 10/02/2019 15:58

It has cleared and been spent, that's the issue.

You are going to have to be very direct with her, and tell her that you can't afford to pay it off nor can you afford to pay interest on her debt, so need the money back now.

If she says she cannot afford it, suggest that what she actually cannot afford is the 'budget break' she mentioned you dog-sitting for.

If she is your friend, she will understand. If she is not, then she will take offence despite not having any grounds to do so.

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SecretMillionaire · 10/02/2019 16:07

It does appear she is trying to avoid you but a good friend in knowledge of your circumstances wouldn’t leave you short. Send her a message explaining that you were happy to help out when she needed the help but that your budget cannot sustain not being reimbursed and this is now causing some problems for you. Ask her when she will be in a position to give you this back and know that in future that her problems are exactly that.

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EvaHarknessRose · 10/02/2019 16:17

Report her for claiming expenses she didn’t incur?

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DerelictWreck · 10/02/2019 16:29

I think I might be a bit confused - if you paid for it and work are reimbursing, the. What does she owe you money for and why did she have the receipt and therefore submit it late?

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MsChanandlerBoing · 10/02/2019 16:34

She was reimbursed money that you spent? And you’re left paying interest on debt you incurred because of her?

I’m sorry but I can’t imagine a situation where a good friend would leave you like this - and ask for dog sitting while she’s on holiday on top of this!

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MsChanandlerBoing · 10/02/2019 16:35

I mean that she’s not your good friend - I would push for repayment and accept she’s not part of your life any longer.

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Isleepinahedgefund · 10/02/2019 16:39

You broke your own rule re lending money, and now you've been burned.

I don't think you'll get the money back.

I don't quite understand how she claimed the money back if you paid? She's claimed for expenses she didn't incur.

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HollowTalk · 10/02/2019 16:41

The OP paid for both but each had to claim their own expenses. She has claimed but hasn't reimbursed the OP.

I would push really hard for repayment and tbh if she doesn't repay you I would report this to the company. It's just not fair. And they need to change their procedures too; it's not fair for people to have to pay such a large sum out of their own pocket and wait for reimbursement.

I think this has shown you that she isn't the friend you thought she was. Never mind her getting funny with you; you are the one who has been offended and I would let her know that. "Sorry to have to remind you again but I really need that money. As you know I don't have as much coming in as you do and am struggling to manage without it. My bank details are X - thanks."

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ThreeFish · 10/02/2019 16:44

You both work for the same company? I think you should have claimed the costs back, as she didn’t spend anything to claim back.
If she is required to book on a credit card and she doesn’t have one, you should have stuck to your no lending rules and told her to take the procurement problem up with your employers.

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DishingOutDone · 10/02/2019 16:57

When you say she's been a good friend previously, do you mean she's lent you £180 quid and not got it back? If not, then I'd say the friendship is already over. She's more important than you, in her eyes. Sorry because I know that must hurt - so sad to lose a friend this way but she has dumped on you from a great height.

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 10/02/2019 17:03

The friendship is already destroyed.

Take her to the small claims court. If you have anything - texts, e-mails etc which confirm that this was a loan, print them out to use in court.

She's playing you for a fool and you will never get that money back otherwise.

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CircleofWillis · 10/02/2019 17:08

^^
What everyone above has been saying. Plus charge her for the damn dog sitting!

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tessieandoz · 10/02/2019 17:08

Your ideal outcome is that she repays the money and you remain friends so try for that a few more times. Text first then phone a day or so later . . .Good luck

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Gingerkittykat · 10/02/2019 17:12

I would push for the payment, and tell her that interest has accumulated on your credit card, that you are on a very tight budget and can't affors to let this go.

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Purpleartichoke · 10/02/2019 17:39

She needs to pay you and cover the interest. Sadly, actually pushing this may end the friendship. This isn’t your fault though. It is entirely hers. She is abusing both your business relationship and your friendship.

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onlyk · 10/02/2019 17:49

If she can afford weekends away she can afford to pay you back. She’s just not prioritising paying you back.

As you actually paid for the expense you can claim it back. I’ve put travel costs on my card for colleges for similar reasons but I’ve also claimed it back via my own expenses (this is not usual).

I’d be tempted to email “college” to say if she hasn’t paid you back by x date you will be submitting a claim for the expense.

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TaimaandRanyasBestFriend · 10/02/2019 17:50

I would push for this. She's no friend. And you knew damn well she was dodgy as hell and ignored your own boundaries.

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Redglitter · 10/02/2019 17:54

She cant afford to pay you back but she can afford to go on a mini break. Shes taking the piss. If she mentions dog sitting for her id be pretty sharp in bringing up the money i was owed. Shes the definition of a CF

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GemmeFatale · 10/02/2019 17:55

I’d start the process for small claims court (including the interest). I’m willing to bet she finds the money

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Notwiththeseknees · 10/02/2019 18:01

You lent money you couldn't afford not to be repaid. You will know better next time. Says the woman €90 down from a CF two weeks ago. Let it go and tell her to foxtrot oscar with her dog sitting. At least get some satisfaction from it.
And you could go to HR & show them the cc receipts & see it they will pay you & reclaim from her?

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theworldistoosmall · 10/02/2019 18:03

I would push for this. Tell her she either coughs up or you will be taking her to the small claim court for the initial debt, interest and any costs incurred.
And no I wouldn't be sitting the dog until she has paid it back.

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WallisFrizz · 10/02/2019 18:03

Don’t let it go, you need to get assertive. Best case scenario, you will ask 1-2 more times, she’ll pay you back and friendship can sort of get back on track.

Failing that, you need to make it clear that if she fails to pay you back and has falsely claimed for expenses that she didn’t incur, it is a criminal offence (the victim being the company who paid out in good faith) and you will report her to them.

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DrinkFeckArseGirls · 10/02/2019 18:04

There is no friendship to speak of, is there, if she thinks it’s OK to treat you like that. I’d submit a claim for the expenses you incurred on her behalf.

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DrinkFeckArseGirls · 10/02/2019 18:05

She’s a massive cow. I’d be embarrassed to behave like that if I borrowed money of a friend.

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