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AIBU?

to apply for a job when I was fired from the company?

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Objection · 30/05/2014 20:50

(apologies in advance for long post)

Nearly 4 years ago I worked for a well known retail company as a sales assistant, I absolutely loved it but not long after I started a new manager was employed.
She targeted a few of the staff, specifically the younger ones I think, and bullied them mercilessly.
I didn't have a huge amount of work experience at the time, it was my second full time job out of sixth form, and have always been somewhat of a doormat. I was also the newest member of staff before that, I think this contributed somewhat to why she targeted me.
Everyday that I worked with her was a constant stress, she would pick on everything I did and make a point of isolating me and telling me off, even when I hadn't done anything wrong.
During training she would pick on me for every single question, despite knowing that I'd only been there 2 months. At one point she made me stand in front of the whole team and list every single ingredient in several of the products and do a sample sales pitch, with her pretending to be the customer (the most difficult and aggressive customer ever). I was the only one asked to demonstrations at training.
Other staff members noticed and I spoke to the supervisor who's only advice was to stand up for myself and she'd back off (I've never been good at standing up for myself).
Anyway, you get the picture - she was a huge bully.

In the end, she fired me. The reasons she used were either exaggerated (lack of knowledge of the products, for example. But I'd only been working there a few months and my knowledge was good, considering that) or plain untrue but I was to embarrassed and intimidated to question her. I left quietly and without a fuss. She later fired two other team members for similarly unfair reasons and almost everyone else left because of her. 1 year later and there were only 3 or 4 members left from the original group.

Several people reported her to HQ, including customers who had witnessed her appalling behaviour to staff.

After a few months I wrote a long letter of complaint to HQ but sent it from a temporary job email, so don't know if they ever replied.

I know that I was good at the job, I connected well with customers and had a genuine passion for the brand. I really loved the job.

I now find myself in the position where my weekend job (Nanny) is enough to support me but I'm struggling with not working during the week. My OH suggested going back to this company as the work was flexible and I really loved it.

Only a few original members are at the store, it was 4 years ago and I've changed my name since. The manager has since left to another part of the company, elsewhere in the country.

I have 3 options, 1) don't do it, 2) apply and be honest 3) apply and not mention my previous history.

AIBU to consider applying? And should I be honest?

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Objection · 30/05/2014 20:52

Jesus that was long Blush sorry

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FunkyBoldRibena · 30/05/2014 20:55

Won't one of the few original members recognise you?

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CSIJanner · 30/05/2014 20:55

2 just apply. The worst they can say is no or even not reply.

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Objection · 30/05/2014 20:57

Funky - maybe, I wasn't there for long. I don't necessarily have to apply to that branch - but it would certainly be the easiest to get to, by at least 20 minutes.

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FiloPasty · 30/05/2014 20:57

I would apply and be honest, if you genuinely loved the brand etc.
it doesn't sound like she was following proper disciplinary procedure so I wouldn't count that your staff file says you were fired. This does need a certain amount of paperwork to back it up so she may just of marked that you left iykwim.
Do you still get on with your old colleagues? Have you asked their opinion?

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Objection · 30/05/2014 21:00

I've not been in contact with my old colleagues since, really. The one I stayed in contact with left shortly after I did.
She followed some kind of procedure because she had paperwork there and had given me some kind of warning beforehand (with a checklist I followed to a t) but it was an odd one because it was within the 6 months probation.

It concerns me that she still works for them.

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FernMitten · 30/05/2014 21:02

I think you should, but definitely be honest. Can you call or email HR?

If there is a record of complaints and other unfair sackings, then they should rethink. Managers are much harder to sack than assistants, even the nightmare ones, so maybe they saw her flaws too.

Maybe email, talk about your passion for the brand and company and keep it very brief on previous personal differences with staff.

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CanaryYellow · 30/05/2014 21:05

Why would you want to go back to work for a company that employs and supports managers who treat their staff like that?

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Objection · 30/05/2014 21:08

Canary - believe it or not they are a great company to work for. I was astonished when I found out she was still there.

Fern - I was thinking about contacting HR but I can't think how to word "I was sacked" without getting really defensive

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AbiAbi · 30/05/2014 21:08

If you don't mention it and get offered the job then chances are you'll be recognised on the HR database when they register you as a new employee. Our one does it on NI numbers and brings up the old employee file for review before accepting you as a new member of staff.

I would apply and if you are interviewed mention that you worked there but it didn't work out, that you feel strongly aligned to the brand and want to rejoin a winning team and so on.

Good luck!

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Objection · 30/05/2014 21:10

Abi - that was my concern, thanks for the advice. I'll probably do that.

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Objection · 30/05/2014 21:10

Should I put it on my CV? It's not currently on there because it was my shortest job

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FernMitten · 30/05/2014 21:39

I wouldn't bother putting it on a cv, it's hard enough to get a job these days.

Maybe your email could be something like 'I previously worked for your company between x&x and unfortunately my inexperience led to some difficulties and my dismissal. I have a passion for this company and would very much like to be considered for another position' ?

I'm afraid I'd missed the bit where she still works for the company sorry, concentrate on yourself, not her when applying. It sounds very much like somewhere I used to work Smile

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AbiAbi · 30/05/2014 21:48

I agree with fern, I wouldn't put it on your CV.

If you were dismissed during your probation period I wouldn't worry too much to be honest. You can talk around it, say it didn't work out at that time, you were younger, less experienced, you enjoyed your time there though and wish to return.

If a candidate said that to me it wouldn't put me off tbh, as long as they gave a good interview and I felt like they'd be a good addition to the team.

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Objection · 30/05/2014 22:12

Thanks. I'll definitely look into it yet. It's kind of a case of submitting your CV (creatively) and hoping for a vacancy as they don't advertise anyway. They do a lot of Christmas temping too so I have a while.

Thanks for the advice and support, makes me feel a lot better about the whole thing

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FernMitten · 30/05/2014 22:17

Good luck OP Smile I hope it goes well.

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