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To think that cautions for non violent offences committed by children should not show up on a CRB check 20 years later

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ReallyTired Mon 02-Sep-13 18:56:44

An enhanced CRB check will show any caution that someone has recieved in their life. The criminal age of responsiblity is incredibly low in the UK compared to other countries. An eleven year old might be stupid enough to shop lift and end up with a caution, yet grow up to be a responsible adult.

I feel that serious crimes of a violent or a sexual nature should never be forgotten (even committed as a child.) However does an employer really need to know that a 40 year old stole some sweets from Woollies 30 years ago. I know the arguement is that the 40 year old should disclose the caution and let the employer decide whether its relevent. However some people can be incredibly judgemental.

What has prompted this post. I have been Watching Edcuating Essex on 4Od and young two girls are in trouble for cyber/ text messaging bullying. The girls are incredbily lucky the parents of the victim chose not to go to the police. It made me wonder whether its right that potential a caution recieved as a young teen could wreck someone's career dreams.

sheridand Mon 02-Sep-13 19:00:15

I agree. I know plenty of young people who made "minor" one-offs, who have grown to be marvellous young adults. The thought that they might not be able to pursue a career as a nanny or teacher due to a one off through trying to impress a numpty boyfriend when they were 13 is a shame.

soontobeburns Mon 02-Sep-13 19:02:41

It doesn't always show up.

I got a caution at 16 for jaywalking when I got kmocked down! And a conditional discharge for fraud when I was17.

These where done when I was an idiotic teen and thankfully dont show up on any enhanced checks of which I have had lots due to youth work and my current job.

Babybunny88 Mon 02-Sep-13 19:03:37

I agree, we all do stupid things when we are teens. If its something silly it shouldn't affect your chances of getting a job.

CoffeeTea103 Mon 02-Sep-13 19:18:19

I disagree, if it was a one off then it shouldn't matter to an employer.

However a few incidents and the type of incidents do tell there might be issues, which an employer should be aware of.

Sirzy Mon 02-Sep-13 19:21:17

It shows up but that doesn't mean it is going to stop them doing anything. It is down to the discression of the person who has requested the CRB whether they are given the role or not dependant what is shown.

I know people who have minor convictions from their youth which hasn't stopped them working with young people/in care enviroments.

Sirzy Mon 02-Sep-13 19:21:56

These where done when I was an idiotic teen and thankfully dont show up on any enhanced checks of which I have had lots due to youth work and my current job.

are you sure? the version sent to employers is different to the certificate you are sent.

Blissx Mon 02-Sep-13 19:27:26

So? They may not work with children, not 'never get a job'. How else do you propose protecting a vulnerable proportion of our society?

Remotecontrolduck Mon 02-Sep-13 19:52:16

A one off when you were young should be written off I think.

Several when you were say, 17 (old enough to know the consequences after the first time!) probably should show up, and then reviewed case by case.

I don't think employers would hold something like shoplifting when you were 11 against you somehow regardless!

mrsjay Mon 02-Sep-13 19:55:32

Just because a conviction shows up doesnt mean the person wont pass the crb a child can commit terrible crimes at 11 andnot so terrible they all need to show up ,the employers shouldnt discriminate against a shoplifting crime at 11 but might a sexual assault, it is easier for them all to show up,

ILetHimKeep20Quid Mon 02-Sep-13 19:55:43

A conviction like that does not exclude you as long as you declare honestly when given the chance and are able to talk openly about what happened, what you learnt and how you've moved on

ReallyTired Mon 02-Sep-13 19:59:59

"I don't think employers would hold something like shoplifting when you were 11 against you somehow regardless!"

My line probably would have done! Not all people are illogical

A lot depends on the employer. Most employers probably would not worry about cautions for minor offenses twenty years ago, but some people are very judgemental.

I feel that convictions for minor offenses done as a child should be wiped clean from enchanced enclosures after ten years. A seventeen year old would suffer the consequences until the age of 27 but is it relevent when that person is 30 and a changed person.

It must be really stressful for someone have the worry of a minor caution hanging over their head for life.

Blissx Mon 02-Sep-13 20:36:01

But a CRB check isn't carried out for all jobs...

ILetHimKeep20Quid Mon 02-Sep-13 20:46:48

Organisations requiring these checks have policies in place, it won't come down to one person's judgement

PolterGoose Mon 02-Sep-13 20:48:46

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Admiraltea Mon 02-Sep-13 20:52:57

Seems to be some confusion ref conviction and I had it explained to me by police a 10 year old half inching a packet of match attax from asda will get a caution ...on enhanced crb that will show up forever...

Said child was 9 yrs 11 months and 27 days (not mine..hasten to add)

hardboiledpossum Mon 02-Sep-13 20:53:39

I received a caution as a young teen and it has never shown up on any of my crbs, of which i have had many.

Admiraltea Mon 02-Sep-13 20:54:21

And it counts on their statistics as a solved crime.

Admiraltea Mon 02-Sep-13 20:55:25

It does show up hardboiled..just not on the copy you get...your employers are obviously very sensible

PolterGoose Mon 02-Sep-13 20:58:25

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Admiraltea Mon 02-Sep-13 21:03:01

that is what i was saying...the child did not receive a caution...ffs I only wrote 2 sentences...please read

Admiraltea Mon 02-Sep-13 21:06:57

All is logged afik as a child who "borrowed" a book from the book fair at school could not be talked to by police as over the age of 10 they informed me they would have to formally log it as a caution...I am not police just going on what they tell me when I speak to them.

BlueHairedFreak Mon 02-Sep-13 21:07:22

CRB checks are no longer carried out, you now have a Disclosure and Barring Check (DBS) , the certificate is only issued to the applicant and not the employer, unless they've registered with a special service.

ILetHimKeep20Quid Mon 02-Sep-13 22:09:24

And that is only in England I'm guessing?

It's a different scheme in Scotland.

TheTruffleHunter Mon 02-Sep-13 22:43:56

Thanks for your clarifications Poltergoost, I'm now in a position where I'd like to send a highly valued employee on a course which will require a DRB(?) check who has already told me there were a few minor issues as a young teen - given his background I'm surprised it is as minor, but since he has been with us he has really grabbed hold of his second chance and turned over a massive new leaf. I'd hate for his troubled start to be held against him

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