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Teachers that shout ,don't have to?

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Feminine Fri 16-Sep-11 14:09:45

AIBU? I will accept it quickly if I am.

Where I live (small US town) the last 30 years of teaching ethics seems to have gone unobserved... part of this is that a great majority of the teachers shout a lot

With the teens I can see it is becoming fruitless,they just shut down.

I think if a teacher gains control of the class through other skills ,things for all are more productive.

There are a few teachers my 13 year old son will not even attempt to ask for help, as the default position is to yell everything impatiently!

I am not talking (particularly) about when a child has done wrong ...maybe that is accepted as being appropriate?

I don't think loud really gets you very far ...I don't think adults respond well to being barked at either?

I have massive respect for teachers, it must be a thankless task sometimes.

So,this is not in any way a teacher bashing post ...

Just don't think that these days there is any need to shout /yell /bellow while conducting a regular class.

Am I wrong? grin

AgentZigzag Fri 16-Sep-11 14:18:16

I'm not a teacher, but I can't imagine how they'd get the DCs attention without shouting, given how noisy thirty children can be confused

mnistooaddictive Fri 16-Sep-11 14:19:38

I am a loud person, students often perceive me as shouting when I do not think I am. Sometimes you need to get attention quickly!

Hulababy Fri 16-Sep-11 14:21:59

I am not a naturally loud person. I am not normally a shouter.

However when I was teaching in secondary there were times that I did shout. It depended on the class and the sitation at the time.

I don't like to hear teachers ranting and shouting all the time but sometimes, if used sparingly, there is a time and a place for raised voices in a classroom full of teenagers.

Shouting all the time can be counter productive.

Cartoonjane Fri 16-Sep-11 14:25:15

As mnistooaddictive says soemtimes kids think you're shouting when you're just being loud. I have definitely had that. On the other hand some teachers do shout for real.

Personally I have a no shouting rule as I think it gets you nowhere. And in fact most teachers I see shouting are getting absolutely nowhere and are doing it out of desperation. There are a few (but fewer and fewer I'd say) who do a sort of sereant major act quite successfully, maybe with some humour which involves shouting and which works well for them. In general though I think shouting is horrible and unproductive. I find it quite upsetting to think of lots of shoutiung going on in schools.

neolara Fri 16-Sep-11 14:27:26

I agree with Hulababy. I used to teach a million years ago. I rarely shouted which meant that on the odd occasion I did, the kids generally took note. I believe that if a teacher shouts a lot, it generally just turns into white noise which kids ignore.

AgentZigzag Fri 16-Sep-11 14:29:31

We had a teacher at secondary school who we called 'Foghorn' because she had such a resonating voice she could have us in our seat within seconds without shouting.

Scary grin

I don't believe in humiliating children, but I don't mind teachers raising their voice to my DD if she's messing about.

Ihavewelliesbutitssunny Fri 16-Sep-11 14:32:35

I think that constantly shouting doesn't work as people just think of that as your default position and it doesn't get their attention anymore. I think that there are lots of others ways to communicate with young people rather than shouting. It sometimes useful in extreme situations eg to get attention quickly

meditrina Fri 16-Sep-11 14:35:50

I don't think it's productive to shout.

If you need the loudness (eg so your voice carries over a hockey pitch) then that's OK, as is use in extreme circumstance (eg warning of immediate danger or if dealing with a fight/rampage), but not otherwise.

CailinDana Fri 16-Sep-11 14:36:25

Shouting needs to be used sparingly or it loses its effectiveness IMO, plus you lose your voice. I rarely had to shout because I have that "scary" resonating voice which is so useful. I'll never forget going up at uni to make an announcement. The students were already leaving and the lecturer said "Oh I think it's too late," implying I wouldn't get their attention. She was rather shocked when I just said "Ok" in my normal voice and everyone turned around! People often think I'm shouting when I'm not, I'm just naturally forghornish loud.

NestaFiesta Fri 16-Sep-11 14:46:10

YABU. In an ideal world, parents and teachers would never need to shout at their kids as communication would be perfect and everyone would get on.

However, in reality, I would not criticise a teacher for shouting as I have not walked in their shoes and I do not know their class the way they do.

I agree that if a teacher shouted 100% it wouldn't be effective. Used sparingly, it can get kids to do what you need them to do.

I am saying this as it was never my intention to be a shouty mum. However, sometimes after asking nicely around 8 times- guess what technique finally gets the shoes on the feet or the DS up the stairs?

As a teacher I don't shout, it doesn't work. I can add an edge to my voice without shouting. In the school I work in, parents shout all the time at their children so you can see them just shutting down and blocking it out.
In fact I find it best to lower my voice to get attention, they need to be quiet to listen.
I have a rain stick/bells that I use for getting attention so I don't have to shout.
On the rare occasions I have shouted the class is shock which makes it soo much more effective.

Feminine Fri 16-Sep-11 15:12:53

Thank you all.

Not much more I can contribute as I am obviously no expert in the classroom.

I think its interesting that some of you can maintain order without shouting ,I had hoped that would be the case.

nesta I agree with you on the asking nicely at home ...I find myself having to shout sometimes too smile

I was just talking to one of my sons 'shouty' teachers on the phone,surprisingly he was rather quiet this time grin

Oh well ,I guess it is up to the teacher really!

NacMacFeegle Fri 16-Sep-11 15:13:21

I'm a teacher, I've never needed to shout. grin

Working with teenagers, it's largely pointless, as they shout back. And they are often bigger than me. Icy calm works a whole lot better - especially on kids who come from very shouty homes.

DoMeDon Fri 16-Sep-11 15:28:21

Any adult who shouts at my Dc will soon be weighed down by a raft of handouts on anger management, appropriate adult behaviour, conflict resolution, etc, etc, etc. I look forward to it grin

NinkyNonker Fri 16-Sep-11 15:31:13

Haha, try not having to raise your voice to get attention in some of the classes I have taught! grin

However if you mean shouting <at> someone as against to get the attention of the class then that is different.

Feminine Fri 16-Sep-11 15:36:34

Yes, ninky I am mainly talking about the teachers that bellow as the default position...even in a one to one explaining situation.

To get the classes attention must be very difficult.

DoMeDon seriously? confused

DoMeDon Fri 16-Sep-11 15:40:56

Completely - (obviously not a one off situ where DC being totally awful) but if you cannot conduct yourself without shouting on a daily basis then you need to address your behaviour and should not be around impressionable and potentially vunerable young people.

NinkyNonker Fri 16-Sep-11 15:43:33

Yes, shouting always just makes someone look like they have lost control.

A friend told me proudly how hot they are on discipline at her baby's nursery, how when she arrived the other day a staff member was bellowing at a young toddler from the group above for grabbing another toddler's water cup. I was shock, anyone ever tried that at mine I'd be fuming, especially if only a toddler.

notherdaynotherdollar Fri 16-Sep-11 15:44:38

Any adult who shouts at my Dc will blah blah blah

and that is precisely why teachers have little respect shown to them by their pupils - because the parents are always there to undermine .....

maybe little johnny needs a good telling off

NacMacFeegle Fri 16-Sep-11 15:50:09

I have to disagree. I have seen grown adults screaming in children's faces (OK, teens, OK, disruptive children) but it achieves precisely nothing.

Little Johnny may need his boundaries reinforced, or may need reminding about appropriate behaviour, but Little Johnny does not need to be resoundingly humiliated, frightened or verbally abused. Ever.

I may be lucky - when I taught in mainstream (in Tottenham) I taught music, so more often than not kids wanted to be in class - so I had leverage there. But there is, IME, no need to abuse children. Particularly not children with frankly hideous home lives, as is so often the case with "naughty" children.

DoMeDon Fri 16-Sep-11 15:50:45

nother- I can only laugh at your post. I am considered strict by most parents I meet. I instill good behaviour by example not by shouting like an unhinged wally. I think most teachers are shown a lack of respect as DC often don't know what it looks like. Dc here have manners and are disciplined if they don't. Shouting shows up the person doing it and makes the recipeint shut down.

I am sure they are lots of precious johnny parents out there, I am not one.

NinkyNonker Fri 16-Sep-11 15:50:58

A good telling off does not need to involve shouting, that can just be a loss of control. It does nothing to foster respect. I have my own fair share of experience teaching in a very tough secondary school, and can maintain respect without needing to shout. And I maintain if I felt an adult in a position of responsibility yelled at my child as an attempt to force an upper hand I wouldn't be very impressed.

DoMeDon Fri 16-Sep-11 15:53:49

ninky - that's exactly what I'm saying - shout to be heard, maybe even shout as a one off but shouting as a standard!?! Def some life skills missing IMO.

Feminine Fri 16-Sep-11 17:00:55

Thanks DoMeDon I didn't mean my confused to look argumentative ...I was wondering smile

I kind of agree with you ,I don't teach ( I talk to the kids within the class sometimes) not the same thing though.

As I live in a caveman town ,I am totally green as to what the norm is or should be these days.

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