I mean it I waited YEARS for him to p the q: finally did the deed on a soopah romatic safari break in October; have had the most wonderful time stelling everybody, setting the date etc etc What happens???? His expletive deletive cousin who has been living with her rubgy playing chap for similar aeons has now announced her engagement too!!! Our many joint rellies are going to be so stretched financially, we may not now get all archipellagos that are on our wedding list. Would I be terribly unreasonable to slip one of her many horses a mega dose of laxative or something [fwink]