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How can she still do this to me when I am 41?

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HappyWithLife · 23/11/2010 08:45

My mother has just ruined my sister's visit for me and I'm furious. I haven't seen my sis for years as she lives in Oz, although we are very close, so I was so excited to be seeing her and my niece over the weekend even though me and the DC have all been ill with flu. They had to catch a couple of buses to get here which was just a nightmare...mum shouting at me down the phone because the driver had been rude, didn't go where he was supposed to etc.
Anyhoo, to cut a long story short me and kids had to go and meet them at the bus station, by which time she was in such a foul mood that she ignored me and ignored my 2 DDs, but made a huge fuss of my DS (she is a female misogynist, always has been, can't stand women). Bear in mind I haven't seen my mother in 2 years, precisely for this reason.
We got a bus back to mine, and she spent the entire journey saying very loudly that the town was horrible, and that local people were rude and horrible...people were all staring at her as she ranted. I wanted to die, as I live here and knew some of these people.
We got home, and I opened a bottle of wine even though it was only lunchtime. She always always has thiss effect on me. Me and sis started reminiscing and I recounted a story where my mum got drunk at my son's holy communion and started pole dancing around the swing in the garden. She went mad, and shouted at me that I was a fecking lying cow! In front of my children, my sister and my niece.
Later on she shouted at me to 'get bloody lost' because I said that I felt sorry for Cher on X Factor, as she's only 17 and this is her dream and if it was my DD it would break my heart to see her crying on stage like that.
Them we were in the local shop and my son asked me for a tube of pringles. I said no as we already had crisps and stuff in the basket. My mother dragged him off and put 2 tubes in his arms. I said to him that I had said no and she got right in my face and said 'well I said yes', then when I tried to protest she told me to shut my face. I'm forty bloody one FFS.
She spent the whole time winding my 6 year old up, telling her she had a huge bum etc, and 'ooh, who's this ugly girl here, oh it's x'.
I'm really angry that she can still affect me this way. I've managed to stay away from her for a couple of years now, but couldn't avoid her this weekend.
I'm convinced that she is the reason I end up in abusive relationships, because I have spent my entire life being treated like shit by the one person who is supposed to love me unconditionally.

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HappyWithLife · 23/11/2010 08:49

Sorry, didn't realise it was so long. DD2 doesn't really know her, as we haven't spent any time together with her so was rightly wary of her. She made DD2 cry more than once over the 2 days, and then complained that she wouldn't cuddle her or sleep with her! As a result my Mum gave my older son and daughter £10 each and gave DD2 nothing until I made a point of saying something about the money she had given to just the older two, then she gave her a fiver.
As a result DD2 told me she doesn't like Nana, she's scared of her and doesn't like the way she talks to mummy.

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shongololo · 23/11/2010 08:58

best to cut her out again. Writ to her this time and let her know that unless she can be courteous to you and around you, respectful of your family, can treat the children equally and be kind to them she is no longer welcome in your home or your lives.

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HappyWithLife · 23/11/2010 09:04

Shongololo...I'd love to but I don't know if I'm strong enough to do that. She's no good to me, I know that, and has never been there for me although to her mind she has been a brilliant mum.
When I and the children were being abused by my exH she didn't want to know. When we fled and ended up in a refuge, she didn't want to know. When I found out my DD2 had been sexually abused by her father she asked me 'but did he really abuse her?' She refused to give evidence at exHs trial because she doesn't like the police. When I had a very traumatic miscarriage and ended up in hospital she said it was the best thing that could have happened and she was over the moon about it, as she didn't want to have to go to any more fecking family functions.

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pinksmarties · 23/11/2010 09:06

Oh my God, happywithlife,

you started such a lovely thread the other day which cheered so many people up including me.

Your're a lovely positive person.

Your mother sounds just totally vile and sounds like a bitter, jealous woman.

Keep her away from you and your DC. She's horrible.

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ANTagony · 23/11/2010 09:09

Just as well she doesn't live down the street. How horrid to try and divide up your family like that. Its done, you got to see your sis and niece. I'm glad that she didn't just put them on the first bus back.

I don't know how you can move forward with someone who is so entrenched in divide and rule. I'd second the send a letter firmly explaining the elements of her behaviour that were offensive to you and your family. Address the terms that you would allow contact with her and be clear that it is her actions that drive you to this.

Then try to get beyond the visit and enjoy the home and environment you have created for your family, putting as much space between yourselves and this destruction as possible.

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HappyWithLife · 23/11/2010 09:13

pinksmarties...thanks Grin. I am still happy, and love life and count my blessings every day, but she is just so awful to me and the children. It brought back so many feelings of panic.
She is bitter and jealous. She has never forgiven me for being with my dad when he died. We knew he was slipping away and she went and took a sleeping tablet Shock. I stayed with him as I couldn't wake her, and he died in my arms and no one can take that away from me, but every now and again she tells me that I took her job away from her, that she should have been with him but I stopped her being there.
When I was a kid, about 7, I saved up all my pocket money and bought her a plant in a basket for her birthday. I got the day wrong though and gave it to her a day late. She threw it against the wall, smashing the basket and all the heads of the flowers broke off.
She has now invited herself up for xmas Shock. Another xmas ruined for me and the Dcs.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/11/2010 09:13

How would you feel if you cut your mother off again; you've done it once and managed well without her. This time though severe contact completely. You do not need this woman's approval after all and you are strong enough to cut her off.

My guess too that your mother is also part of the reason why your sister moved to Australia.

This woman is not doing you or your children any favours whatsoever. Why have her in your lives at all?. You would not put up with this ill treatment from a friend; family is truly no different in that regard and your mother is certainly toxic. You are not responsible for why this woman chooses to act this way because she is indeed choosing to act this way.

You may also want to read "Toxic Parents" written by Susan Forward as it could be helpful to you.

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shongololo · 23/11/2010 09:13

she sounds like a charmer. WHy exactly do you need her in your life - what do you get? Not love, not respect, not help, in fact Im struggling to see that you get anything from this relationship.

You say you are 40+ - well maybe its time to stop being an abused child, and to grow up. You stood by and watched her verbally and emotionally abuse one of your children - just like she verbally abuses and bullies you.

I think you have lived like this so long you think its normal. You've gone from abusive relationship to abusive relationship because your primary relationship (with your mother) is abusive an you think all relationships are like this. They're not.

Time to break this cycle of abuse. Start building yourself up, take control of the situation and feel the first glimmer of freedom and control. Look for life enhancing relationships and nurture those, not the destructive relationships.

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ttalloo · 23/11/2010 09:15

I agree with shongololo - you don't need someone so toxic in your life, and you are better off having nothing to do with her.

I'm not sure that writing to her will change anything, though, since your mother sounds as if she's absolutely certain that she is right about everything, although you might find it cathartic to put everything that you feel down on paper.

You can't change her, and it's very difficult to change your reactions to her because she's had 41 years of pushing your buttons very effectively. Whenever she puts you down or treats you badly (and it's clear that she doesn't respect you at all - but then does she respect anyone?), you inevitably start feeling and reacting like a helpless and frustrated child again.

Since she's very unlikely to see that she's hurting you or that she's not been a good mother, you need to protect yourself and your DC by breaking this cycle of unhappiness, and the only way you can do that is not to see her.

How does your sister get on with her, btw?

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ttalloo · 23/11/2010 09:17

Have just read that she's invited herself over for Christmas - don't let this happen, happywithlife. Christmas should be a happy time for you and your DC, and it definitely won't be with your mother sniping at you, undermining you and picking on your DC.

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HappyWithLife · 23/11/2010 09:18

You are all so right. I have managed to break the cycle of abusive relationships with men...first sign of trouble and they're gone, I'd rather be on my own.
For some reason though, I guess it's 40 years of conditioning, she just turns me inside out.
In all other aspects I have cut negativity out of my life, and the children's lives, but she has such a hold.
Attila...you hit the nail on the head. She was a major factor in my sister moving to Oz. She actually left home when she was 15 because of my mother.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/11/2010 09:19

Hi,

Toxic people like your mother are more than happy to pass on their own dysfunctions to their grandchildren as your mother is indeed doing.

Time to break the cycle now; you cannot allow another generation to become affected by this toxic behaviour because these problems can and do become generational ones.

Do not have her over for Christmas; tell her straight away she is not welcome in your home ever again. You are not her emotional punchbag nor should you be acting as one.

I would suggest you seek counselling for your own self as it could help you as well. BACP have a list of counsellors and they don't charge a fortune either. Going from one abusive relationship into yet another is destructive and your relationship with your abusive mother is at the heart of that. She taught you some very damaging relationship lessons when growing up and you've become conditioned to accepting all this till now as "normal".

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ttalloo · 23/11/2010 09:25

If you have to break her fingers to break her hold on you then do it (metaphorically speaking, you understand!). If she can't behave herself over a special weekend with your sister who you haven't seen for years, then she won't behave over Christmas, so tell her straight that you don't want to see her, and why.

You've obviously been through a lot in your life (I'm in awe at how you have coped) so you are a strong, self-made woman. If you can handle everything that you've been through, and without the support of your mother FFS, then you can stand up to her and ensure that you and your DC have a happy Christmas, and a happy life, without her.

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HappyWithLife · 23/11/2010 09:26

TTalloo...sis has a very strained relationship with her. She is staying with her while she is over, but I fully expect her and my niece to end up either at her best friend's house or here as she can't handle staying there with her.
Xmas...we have had so many ruined ones.ExH was a complete and the kids spent the day in tears every year, so I have been really looking forward to this one just me and the DCs.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/11/2010 09:27

Not at all surprised your sister moved to Australia because of your mother (thought that was priamrily why she left). Note the amount of distance as well put between the two of them. Its mental distance just as much as physical distance.

She is not your svengali and you can break this cycle of abuse she metes out to you all. What was going through your mind when she was saying all those awful things to your six year old?. Did you challenge her on this or did you stand there in shock unable to say anything?.

Forty years of conditioning is a lot to undo but it can be done if you put the sometimes difficult and painful emotional work in. I therefore reiterate the suggestion for you to seek counselling and in the meantime read the "Toxic Parents" book I wrote of.

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springlamb · 23/11/2010 09:27

Beg steal borrow or LIE HWL but DO NOT have her for Xmas.
Tell her you have some exotic disease and the doctor says you cannot deal with guests at the moment so full stop she can't come.
Tell her the water mains has cracked and you are being evacuated to...anywhere.
It's good you're dealing/dealt with the abusive relationships with men - make 2011 the year the deal with family relationships, even if that means no contact anymore.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/11/2010 09:29

Time also that you had a nice Christmas this year rather than a ruined one at her hands. You can do this and should do this for your children.

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Miggsie · 23/11/2010 09:30

Hi Happy withlife, your mum is a terrible persona nd no one should be subjected to what she did to you.

HAve you read the Stately homes thread?

Lots of ladies there with dreadful parents who have gone non-contact and improved their and their children's lives no end.

Your mum is a bully and you have to stop LETTING her bully you. She has conditioned you to accept her nastiness but you do need to be strong and tell her to get lost. It is possible.

Do check out Stately Homes thread (in relationships) and make the steps to healing yourself.

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applebaum · 23/11/2010 09:31

Do NOT have this woman over for christmas. How can you do that to your dc's??? Shock let alone yourself!

Get rid. She is not your mother. She has not 'mothered' you. She sounds sick actually. I mean sick in the head.

And of course you can write to her. You get a pen and a piece of paper and you put words on the sheet. You put the letter in an envelope, stick a SECOND class stamp on it (she's not worth a first class one) and put it in a letter box.

Then when she rings to blow your head off, answer the phone and say very little. When she pauses, say 'goodbye Mary or whatever her actual name is. Don't even call; her mum.

Howl if you want to after that. But for goodness sake get her vile influence out of your children's lives.

Mother your DCs in the way you were not.

Hugs.

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spursmummy · 23/11/2010 09:32

happywithlife - I feel so sorry for you, it sounds like an awful situation. But you need to put your children first and especially at Christmas. It sounds like she's singled out your DD2 for the same sort of abuse and manipulation that she dishes out to you and you must try to protect your daughter as much as possible. And if it encourages your other children to pick on DD2 too then you'll have so many more problems to deal with.

It would be a very hard phone call to make because she'll probably tie you up in knots again, so I agree with the other posters that you should write her a letter. Keep it brief, just say that you have had time to reflect on her behaviour and as a result she is not welcome at Christmas. If it makes it any easier for you you could say that she is welcome to come over on Boxing Day just for the day (if this is feasible) but at least keep Christmas Day special, it is a magical time for kids and you don't want their memories of it to be ruined by your mother.

Keep fighting, for you and for your children. Good luck xx

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Dillinger · 23/11/2010 09:32

You have to let go of the guilt you carry from your childhood, no one can treat you like this - family or not.

Rather than seeing recent events as you are, see it as the last chance you gave her - I imagine you'd hoped she'd changed during the time that you havent seen her (apologies if I have got things wrong or misread) but now you know that she hasnt, she wont, and she will also never accept that she is anything other than great.

You can then know in yourself that you tried more than once make things okay, but there comes a time when you have to say 'enough'.

Sorry if Im rambling or confused, I get a bit anxious posting Blush

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HappyWithLife · 23/11/2010 09:32

Attilla...fortunately my oldest DD had already forewarned DD2 that Nana would tease her etc, so I just took her out of the way when my mother started.
Problem is, my mother's temper and moods are legendary and terrifying and had I challenged her it would have been awful for my sister and my niece and I so wanted and needed that lovely time with them.
She had an awful journey home apparently last night (she sent a vile text saying so) that I'm hoping she won't want to come up at xmas. If she still does then I will have to find another excuse because I just want to chill with the kids.

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TheProvincialLady · 23/11/2010 09:33

You've protected your DC from abuse by getting rid of your ex H. Now you need to protect them by making sure they never see their grandmother again. There is literally no good to come from maintaining a relationship with her...for them OR you, but as an adult you can make that decision for yourself, whereas they need you to make it for them.

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ttalloo · 23/11/2010 09:38

happywithlife, you don't need to make an excuse not to see her at Christmas - your mother's feelings don't need to be spared with tales of infectious diseases or invitations elsewhere. Just say that you want to spend Christmas with your DC. That's enough.

And if she isn't satisfied, then tell her calmly that you don't want her to spoil Christmas for you all, as she spoiled this weekend, and don't let her persuade you that she will behave better - because she won't.

And then put the phone down.

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applebaum · 23/11/2010 09:42

Why do you have to make an excuse up? She doesn't mince her words when it comes to insulting you or shouting at you.

When you sit down and write that letter today you do not have to stoop to her level and be insulting, but neither do you owe her any excuses.

Be blunt. Do it. What can she do? Throw a legendary tantrum and...and..and... what? Cut you out of her will maybe. So feckin what?

How did your dad cope with her? And I expect he was very glad to be in your arms when he passed. That was truly lovely of you.

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