Police Officer killed during arrest

(262 Posts)
AGoldenOrange Tue 18-Sep-12 12:38:27
JodieHarsh Tue 18-Sep-12 13:45:07

And by the way ROFL at the idea of NI being a model of law-and-order.

JodieHarsh Tue 18-Sep-12 13:46:02

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bureni Tue 18-Sep-12 13:48:36

Jodie, N.I has the lowest crime rate in the U.K by a clean mile which proves that arming police does work.

JodieHarsh Tue 18-Sep-12 13:49:13

No, no really. Correlation does not equal causation blah blah.

chipstick10 Tue 18-Sep-12 13:51:10

saying someone can DIE is pretty nasty imho. shock

WinklyFriedChicken Tue 18-Sep-12 13:51:24

Let's not have this thread.descend into a bunfight about arming officers.

Two women have put themselves out there for the public and been murdered. Tragic.

Thumbwitch Tue 18-Sep-12 13:52:06

That's awful. sad

But I agree that arming the police is not necessarily the way to go, it can just escalate violence. Armed police in Australia don't reduce gun crime.

Doyouthinktheysaurus Tue 18-Sep-12 13:52:09

What a tragedysad

The Police have such a tough job, this is absolutely shocking!

bureni, if NI was safe how comes police officers over there are not supposed to tell neighbours their job because of the risk & English officers are warned not to bring their warrant cards over/tell NI people their jobs?

chipstick, the changes she's forcing through will mean Police deaths increase...she can go play in traffic for all I care.

Anyway, don't think this is the right thread to go into it, hope the families didn't have to find out via the news.

JodieHarsh Tue 18-Sep-12 13:53:28

Yes, true chipstick. It's a saying, not a genuine wish, but a thoughless one.

She is, however, evil to the bone, and personally responsible for the decimation of the police force, the destruction of the morale of police officers nationwide, putting the public's safety at risk and, ultimately, endangering the lives of countless police officers.

Die is too strong but by God I'd see that woman in the stocks.

Winkly also is right. APols for derailing.

teejwood Tue 18-Sep-12 13:54:44

bureni NI's low crime rate can't be linked to guns imho; it is a combination of more rural population/slightly more deferential society (though that has changed a lot over the years) and the fact certain communities self-police/certain groups control the criminal activity that does occur which inevitably has an impact on recorded levels of crime.

Personally I would rather have more unarmed police (in suitable protective clothing) than fewer police with guns.

Vicar so pleased you are OK - it is dreadful these wpc's have died and my thoughts go out to their families.

Fwiw - the alleged murderer handed himself in after shooting the officers. He was not arrested until he had handed himself in. Anyone else think he did this to protect himself?

The helicopters are over my house and the road that they keep showing as ROAD CLOSED i have to drive down to get my son. The poor officers and their families, absolutely tragic. It was reported as a routine call to a disturbance. I don't live on the estate but it was an empty house we pass most days between my mum's and mine.

Terrible day.

niceguy2 Tue 18-Sep-12 13:56:13

Bureni, personally speaking I'd be ok with an armed police force. But I know many (including a lot of officers) wouldn't want it.

Part of my job means I travel to many countries and I've yet to see one outside of the UK where police are not armed. It certainly would bring a lot of benefits in terms of deterrence. I agree on that.

My hesitation is really because like I say, as a nation I don't think we're ready for it because of the way we seem to pillory officers for decisions they had a split second to make. Remember the De Mendez case? Duggan? I just don't think it's fair to give the police a gun then string them up when they use it in good faith but later find out it's a genuine mistake.

As a nation we don't support the police enough. Back when I lived in the US, one of the things I really took away was the genuine respect your average american had for law enforcement & armed forces. Something sorely lacking in this country.

It's so sad to hear this. Especially as a close friend of mine is also a police officer. You sort of know this is a risk but this sort of incident really brings the dangers home.

Narked Tue 18-Sep-12 13:57:20

Read what else he's been arrested for. The poor police officers were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

creighton Tue 18-Sep-12 13:57:35

he handed himself in because he has nowhere to hide now. no one to protect him. this is the guy who threw a hand grenade into a house a few weeks ago isn't he and killed somone?

AGoldenOrange Tue 18-Sep-12 13:59:53

If anyone wants a bun fight can they take it elsewhere. Two women went to work this morning and they won't be coming home

creighton Tue 18-Sep-12 14:01:05

niceguy2 people respect the law and the police but don't automatically respect police officers who they think are not behaving correctly.

these murders are rare, thank goodness, we don't need the police to be armed. the criminals will see it as and excuse for shootouts in the street.

teejwood Tue 18-Sep-12 14:01:29

creighton yes, that's what I was getting at - nowhere to hide now, police probably would have been given carte blanche to use all possible means to protect themselves (using guns) while arresting a man who was armed, dangerous and didn't give a shit who he hurt.

AGoldenOrange Tue 18-Sep-12 14:01:48

He was wanted in connection with the murder of a father and son.

MissMogwi Tue 18-Sep-12 14:02:59

Absolutely awful. Poor, poor women and their families and colleagues.

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 18-Sep-12 14:03:04

Theresa May can go swivel as far as im concerned.

and no to us being armed - i wouldnt want that at all - id leave. there are armed response officers - that should be enough if we had use of them but they are now usually tied up with routine work cos there are not enough of the rest of us

short memories - the riots started cos of an armed incident. (even though on the news today it is confirmed that he had the gun when he was shot - it makes no difference - when the police shoot people public opinion turns against the police)

i would not want arming. if i wanted arming id go into armed response.
anyway.

very sad to learn of the second officers death. how awful for their families and colleagues. sad

right. really off now....gonna be late.

WinklyFriedChicken Tue 18-Sep-12 14:03:32

Every single day, but for the grace of god, that could be me, or dh, or any number of close personal friends. This has really thrown me today.

ThatVikRinA22 Tue 18-Sep-12 14:05:06

nb - any routine job can go tits up in seconds - we often go and do routine arrest attempts without any back up.

not sure of the back story so wont even begin to speculate....but its horrendous.

meditrina Tue 18-Sep-12 14:05:06

They have now announced with sadness that the second officer has died.

It seem the event (possibly involving a grenade) came out of nowhere during a routine call on an ordinary patrol. They where not involved in the hunt for Creegan (who has handed himself in now), and it seems they encountered him by bad luck.

ShobGiteTheKnid Tue 18-Sep-12 14:06:27

sad

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