Mumsnet Discussions - Just MC'd. Starting it all again.. Come and join me for the long haul.

That's lousy cheepz. I was getting my hopes up for you. It only takes once... You did make me laugh at your self inflicted injury though - sorry couldn't help it but I could see myself doing the same! Sorry about missing the wedding.

I was getting my hopes up at the weekend as I was going to the toilet a lot - only to wake up with cystitis! hmm

littleonemum - got my fingers crossed for your scan.

Hi boodle - can't believe we're almost up to a thousand threads.

lee - I've been behaving myself! grin

This set of PIL are lovely (DH's parents are divorced) - very different story with the other set who live in the UK sad

Welcome justbeenforapromenade - you really have had a tough time. Love your philosophy.

apples - hope you don't feel nagged about the doctor but it's just you've been waiting for such a long time. I've no idea about how long someone should wait before seeing their GP (I tend to wait for ages as I hate bothering them and they then ask why didn't I come before...) - maybe a phonecall to the Miscarriage Association could help? Just a thought. Will butt out now smile

Cheepz

I'm sorry sad

- yes, maybe a few more times next month. Am totally sympathetic though. i found it hard to summon up the energy/desire - it's just weird, because you know you have to, but somehow it becomes a bit of a chore... Good luck next month.

Realised Waiting still on top list so removed

MONDAY

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD63
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD27
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD21
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD21
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 5 CD17
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD14
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD13
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD10
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD1

WTTC
LeeWT
Justbeenforapromenade

MIA
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD48
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD48

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (mc)
boodleboot (ectopic)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September

AF got me - boo hiss - cramping last night had made me think it was on the cards - Cheepz skulks back to bottom of the list ..... guess just the one bd in the right window really lacked any serious scale of ambition - need to get with the programme and give myself half a chance by persuading dh to do the business at least 3 or 4 times!! -sigh-

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD63
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD28
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD27
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD21
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD21
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 5 CD17
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD14
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD13
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD10
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD1

WTTC
LeeWT
Justbeenforapromenade

MIA
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD48
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD48

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (mc)
boodleboot (ectopic)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September

Congrats to waiting and hello promenade !!

I have my early scan today and am feeling so completely nervous I could not sleep last night. Have managed to convince myself that I have a MMC... just cannot allow myself to believe it might be fine.

The only positive thing is that it was DS's 2nd birthday yesterday, so that kept my mind off it and he was so happy, bless him. I am lucky to have him.

Love to all x

jeez - I go away for a long weekend and all thins action happens!

Hi barrenbrook and tfls nice to hear from you

big woot woot to waiting [grin} grin

small

- so mrsr is in good company

sorry to hear war stories from meesee, louisesh and promenade we all have our various challenges but you all sound like you have been through the ringer. xx welcome, its a lovely thread

can't believe how many posts we are up to!

news from France - babysitting situation was a total wash out, ds went to sleep ok and i left but she had called before we started the main course - during dh best man speech - to say both kids were awake and could we go back. got back to find ds very upset and after getting him back to sleep twice but then having him wake the minute he sensed I was not there I called dh to let him know and ditched the wedding, took ds into my bed and cuddled him until he went to sleep and knew I wasn't going anywhere - was clearly freaked out at waking in the hotel room without me there and wont be doing that again in a hurry.

In other news am at Day 28 amd no AF - thought was here earlier but transpired that in efforts to 'wipe' and see if any sign of blood wiped so many times that must have burst a capillary so very small trace of blood, but realised next time i went to pee was stinging and must have caused it myself - sorry if tmi but jeez - thats fanatical checking for af if ever there was blush

.. guess my nonchalent what will be will be is out the window, but I lasted to day 28 so thats ok. no symptoms of pregnancy though and some cramping so am expecting AF tomorrow or next day - will not allow hope until then.

au revoir

Hi all!

Apples wow thats a hell of a long time you must be getting so frustrated,,ironically i hope AF buggers off for a while since i wont be trying to get preg! you always have what you dont want and all that..

justbeenforapromenade we can keep each other company. I had two mmc's (May and September) so am taking a self-imposed break til after xmas to get my body back in shape and concentrate on my 2yo who has been a little neglected due to the highs and lows of the TTC process lately. I feel the same as you now after these experiences that if we managed to have one more i'd be delighted.. i didnt realise they gave you methotrexate for ectopics i thought that was only for molar? you learn a lot on mn hey? welcome anyway!

tfls have you killed any in-laws yet? just checking grin

mrsR coming up to ov time, better get that husband of yours cornered grin

Updated the list to add Waiting's BFP and also to include myself and justbeen on the waiting to try to conceive list!

Sunday
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD62
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD28
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD27
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD26
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD20
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD20
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 5 CD16
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD13
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD12?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD9

WTTC
LeeWT
Justbeenforapromenade

MIA
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD47
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD47

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (mc)
boodleboot (ectopic)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September

Congratulations waitingisntfun delighted for you!!

hi promenade - sorry to hear about your ectopic experience. i too just had ectopic last friday and had my left tube removed along with the baby. Feeling very mixed up about the thought of conceiving again. have been told that i have scarring on my other tube on the outside but can'[t tell me about inside....i am interested to see that you have continued to conceive after an ectopic tho.....do uyou still have both your tubes {hpoe you don't mind me asking that.... blush

}

i am going to wait until january to give myself time to heal emotionally and make a balanced decision, with my DH, about trying to conceive again. we also lost a baby in a MMC in april this year so this has been a bloody tough and very unrewarding year...

hello to everyone else....congrats to waiting - brilliant brilliant news.

Also its nearly time to start another thread as MN only lets a thread reach a thousand posts.... smile

Evening

Just updating my stats. CD13 not CD12.

Sunday
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD62
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD28
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD27
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD26
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD20
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD20
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 5 CD16
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD13
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD12?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD9

MIA
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD47
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD47

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (mc)
boodleboot (ectopic)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

Congratulations waitingisntfun smile

.

Welcome justbeenforapromenade.

I'd like to join too. Just had an ectopic pregnancy - my third! Luckily I have a fantastic dd aged 3. Since her birth I have had 2 ectopics and a 'normal' MC at 11 weeks sandwiched in between. I have to wait until Jan to conceive because of the drug methotrexate that sorted out the last ectopic

I have become very matter-of-fact about all
this through necessity - and am very optimistic about my future chances. All it takes is one - I only want one more child - not 6! but it would be great to be in contact with others like myself.

Not sure about going to GP. They might just say the first af after mmc is unpredictable. Which I know. Then they will ask me how old I am (40) and start going on about menopause... Also AF bound to turn up the minute I book an appointment.

Also GP surgery is a bit of a downer. They are very busy, and this is an inner London area, so the walls are plastered with Murder posters asking for information (I kid you not) and needle exchange.

Sunday

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD62
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD28
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD27
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD26
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD20
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD20
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 5 CD16
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD12
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD12?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD9

MIA
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD47
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD47

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (mc)
boodleboot (ectopic)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

Yippeeee waiting. That's fantastic news. Congratulations. A couple of relaxed weeks away is probably just what the doctor would order so could be perfect timing. Have a great holiday.

louisesh - sorry if it was a nosy question. It's just I'm 41 later this year and TTC #1 so interested in anyone in a vaguely similar situation. By the way - you definitely wouldn't want to hear me sing as I'm totally tone deaf! grin

Lovely visit to my acupuncturist today (always feel better after seeing her) but she commented that my post o/v temp surge was a bit staggered which may indicate a problem with prostergone levels which can link to m/c. Too early to tell as this is the first cycle where I've temped and ovulated - but another thing to start googling hey ho! I keep alternating between knowledge is power and ignorance is bliss ...

I meant to say lots of support! Sorry, got my night duty head on blush

ooo and welcome Louisesh and meesee, I second waiting, lots of lovely peeps on here and lots of smile

Yey Waiting!!!! Congratulations!!! Another success story grin

Have a wonderful holiday and sending lots of sticky bean vibes your way. Keep us posted xxxxxx

Hello all

louisesh and meesee - welcome. You won't find a nicer bunch of people on mumsnet.

Have been trying to forget about the whole ttc thing this month so have been a bit of stranger to mumsnet. But today, all my best efforts to not test early went out the window - so while dh was out I did a sneaky clearblue - and it was 'Pregnant 1-2 weeks'. Wow shock

. Am pretty scared as I'm off to a Croatian island on Monday - and don't want to mc again at 5 weeks - particularly not in a Croatian hospital. But am trying to tell myself that it's already different from last time - which it is.

But I wanted to let you guys know. I'll be back in a couple of weeks - hopefully still preganant. [gulp]

Mmmm..... appear to be dyslexic now !!!! I meant thefatladyscreams!!!!!

Hi all hope everyone is well.Fatladysings I have no children being ttc in total 21 months now with the 2 Miscarriages.....Life stinks sometimes short post as i m off to Amsterdam tomorrow.

Have a good weekend all grin

Sorry I've been missing so long. PILs are visiting for a month and I've had very little free time with one thing and another.

Oh boodle - that's just so shit. I'm so sorry for you sweetie. I'm so glad you popped back in and it would be lovely if you stay on this thread whenever that feels right for you. Wish I knew what to say..... you sound so brave. You and your DH have gone through so much recently - maybe it is far too early to make any decisions and things have to be put in the "too difficult to decide box" for a while whilst you focus on recovering. Lots of love to you.

How are you doing tiger - I'm so sorry that it was finally confirmed.

Lee - glad that it wasn't molar.

apples - I daren't ask if AF has arrived yet? I really hope so.... but if not I'm another one suggesting you go to your GP. The only consolation I can offer is that my AF arrived early and I then had two cycles without ovulating. So hopefully your body is delaying until it is ready and you won't go through any false cycles then.

meita - I'm hoping that the above applies to you too. Have you seen a temp surge yet? One query - are you sleeping OK as I've heard that a bad night's sleep can distort your readings? Thanks for asking re the monitor - much better results this time. Finally two days of PEAK this cycle followed by a small temp surge which we took advantage of despite PIL's visit! So I'm into the 2ww but feeling quite relaxed about it at the moment (remind me of those words nearer testing time grin

).

cheepz - very impressed re your resolve re testing but very shock

at the child care arrangements at this wedding. Stick with your gut - I think they've put you in a rather unfair position.

Huge congrats to VivC - so lovely to hear some positive news. Hope you're managing not to worry too much (so much easier said than done I know!)

MrsR - glad to hear that you're not letting the Monopoly interfer with the BD wink

. You sound like you were getting quite addicted!

Welcome to louisesh and meesee - so sorry for your losses but I'm glad you've found this thread. It has been such a source of support and understanding for me.

Louisesh - is this your first that you are TTC?

meesee - 5 m/cs and 3 pregnant SILs sounds more than I could bear.

Welcome back barrenbrook - hope you had a good hols.

zayja I'm very impressed with the sculpture for a competition. I haven't got a creative bone in my body but would love to!

Sorry for war and peace but it's so nice to be back smile

hi there everyone.

just wanted to pop in and say hello. i'm bearing up ok, signed off work for a couple of weeks to recover. stitches a bit manky but at least the pain in my stomach and shoulder has gone.

still have no idea if i will attempt to get pregnant again with my somewhat iffy chances but DH and I are going to go back and see a counsellor to see if we can work out how we are feeling about the situation.....ie given we have a lovely healthy family of older children do we really NEED to have a baby....heart stuff v head stuff i guess....we had some couselling before we got married and it was so wonderful at helping us align our goals re parenting the kids we have between us etc. It is possible that we will try tho....anything is possible grin

still be checking in to keep up with you all and your mad capers TTC.[mentioning no names [MrsR] smile

meesee I'm so sorry. Your GP is a quack. I second littleonemum see a different doctor.

Right, I'm off - to have sex with DH sad

. I'll be doubly happy when I finally get pregnant as I'll be able to take a rest grin

Oh, meesee - it must be really hard if lots of people are expecting babies around you. I know it is hard, but just try to remember that your time will come. I'm not sure that I would go on the pill if you decide to stop for a few months, as it may mess up your normal cycle, but having said that, some people are really fertile when they come off the pill!

Doesn't sound like your GP is a lot of help - can you see a different one? They'll be able to advise on whether you should go on the pill for a bit.

I'm so sorry. Hugs.

Thank you for replies.
My gp didnt want me to try for a few months and I felt stupid telling her that I was pg again. I got the "oh your not, well too late now" response.
I have had four this year alone. I have had all the regular tests but the last two mc were chemical pregancies and I didn t go to the hospital (no point). I wanted to get pg before Dec when three of my sister in laws are due their babies (one in Jan)and I have to face that. I feel this has put alot of added pressure on me to have a success pg. ( I didnt tell them about the last two mc) Im not able to face trying for a while, its just too hard.
Will I go on a form of pill?

Hi meesee and sorry to hear your story... Nightmare. You've found a good place though.

I don't think I can add much to what Meita has already said save that I am (at the moment) one of these odd people who appears to have conceived in the month immediately after the M/C - put it this way, I did not have my AF at all since I MCed on 2 August. It's early days though, so I have no idea if it will work out.

So I guess I am proof that you can get pg if you try again straight away - but it's different for everyone. x

Oh meesee so sorry to hear that. Five MCs, what a horror! Have you been monitored for what might be causing this? Usually you get referred after three MCs, I believe. In that case I would consult your doctor about when to TTC again.

There are differing opinions out there. Some doctors say to wait until first "normal" AF after MC and then start trying. The reason is often that otherwise it will be difficult to date if you do get pg immediately. On the other hand, many doctors give you the immediate go-ahead as they would be able to date your bean at your first scan anyway. In general they do recommend to wait until the bleeding has stopped to avoid risking infection.

Us affected women also have differing opinions. On www.pregnancyloss.com the page author recommends waiting until after first regular AF. Her reason is that if you TTC immediately, you won't know what's going on (on here, we call it the "wtf-cycle" for that reason). For instance, you won't know when to expect to be ovulating; OPKs might give you false results; CM might give you wrong indications; and HPT are tricky because you won't know when to start using them as the WTF cycle can easily be much longer than your UCL; and if you're unlucky they might show + even if you're not pg, due to remaining pg-hormones from your last pgy. So this might all be quite distressing, and expensive if you splurge out on OPKs and HPTs! You can save yourself this tension and stress by waiting until your first "proper" cycle. Another argument for waiting is that it can help avoiding the feeling, if you conceive again quickly, that it is just a continuation of your previous pgy. You get the chance to properly grieve your lost bean and to welcome the new bean as a new bean.

On the other hand, many of us on here did TTC again immediately. For me, it did help to have the feeling I was doing something positive towards conceiving again, rather than just looking backwards and being sad. (Though I did get all the trouble mentioned above, too, and wasted lots of ££ on meaningless tests.) Also, stats show increased fertility immediately after MCs (your body is still in pgy-mode and wants to get pg again, so to say) so for me it made sense to try to make the most of that increased fertility. Focusing on TTC rather than on the MC did help me look forward and get on with work and stuff, though the grief about the MC sometimes came back to "bite me in the bum" as someone said, at odd and inconvenient moments.

Over all, if there aren't any clear and convincing medical reasons (as for instance if your pgy was molar), then I think it is really up to how you feel. If you and your DP/DH feel up to it and want to, then go ahead and TTC. Just don't expect any miracles (the fun about miracles is that they happen unexpectedly).

Anyway, welcome here, I'm glad you found your way here, although sad for the reasons.

Hello ladies
Just saying hi - I hope everyone is ok.
apples I second what zayja said - did you talk to your GP?
zayja yes, seems to me to be ok in terms of luteal phase length. If it were 11 days (ovulated on CD20) then it would be rather short but still ok. If you ovulated on CD18 it would be 13 days which is very much fine. Do you know if your luteal phases are usually around this length? Most people are between 12 and 16 days.
Oh and good luck with that artwork!

I still don't really know what's going on. Temp went up today but still way below usual CL. If it continues rising tomorrow I'll assume I ovulated yesterday or today (we did our bit yesterday so are covered for this eventuality). If it dips again tomorrow I'll be back to 0. Except if OPK decides to give me a +ve sometime (I've never used them before so don't know if they'd show +ve more than once, zayja). We'll just continue with our "every second night" schedule though it is starting to be a bit, umm, strained. Well DP is leaving next Tuesday so I'd better have ovulated by then!

Thursday
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD59
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD25
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD24
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD23
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD17
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD17
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 5 CD13
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD9
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD9?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD6

MIA
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD44
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD44

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (mc)
boodleboot (ectopic)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

Hi
Just new to this thread. Im going through my fifth miscarriage at the mo.

Just wondering how long should I wait to try again? I know alot of you ahve had similiar experiences and need advice.

cheepz, I second what meita sad, not unreasonable at all. Strange what some folks w/o children expect you to do, eh?

meita, I think it's possible you could've gotten a + yesterday. The temp surge usually happens after ov so if you start seeing temp. go up, get on it! (dh that is

) I normally get a + for 2-3 days during LH surge, do you know what's normal for you? Also, last time I ov CD 18-20 and then AF arrived on CD31 so I think that was decent timing, right? Long enough luteal phase?

apples WTF is up w/ AF? Have you done a PG test? Either way, I would call your GP to ask if there's anything you can/should do. How frustrating!

Welcome back barrenbrook sorry AF got you too!

cheepz well I don't think you are being unreasonable. I do hope you get to enjoy the wedding and wish you a great time! And when you get back, bring us some news - we'll be waiting!

barrenbrook welcome back, hope you enjoyed your hols, and that work stress is letting up a bit now.

I am again hopeful that I might be ovulating - temp dip today which often precedes surge. Though OPK didn't tell. Though I didn't test yesterday (as had run out and new ones arrived only today), what's the bet that it would have shown +ve yesterday?

wahey barrenbrook is back. Seems liek AF got you though [hmmm]

i managed not to buy a test today so will be off to france without any means to do early low percentage chance tests which is a big plus as far as i am concerned - by the time i get back there will be AF or I will be on CD30. I suspect the former but even if its the latter am inclined to wait until I am past CD32 before testing - I know I am a sadist shock

although its more self protection. If I am pregnant I will be worried, If I am not I will be dissappointed - where is the upside!

viv and littleone glad you are both doing ok and things seem to be progressing

mrsr props for doing it when you didn't have to!! wink

right - off to pack a box of toys for ds, can't quite believe how much stuff we need for 5 day trip - although includes wedding so there is all that stuff to take

oh yeah have been meaning to moan, can you believe dh is best man so we have to go, but no kids for the saturdy night reception - when i asked what i should do about ds they said don't worry there is someone who looks after one of the other guests kids who is looking after another toddler in your hotel so give her the monitor and she can listen in on yours - oh and the reception is in a chateau where you can't book rooms so we have to drive there ... so they expect me to leave him with someone i don't know, in a hotel room, with only someone listening in, in a foreign country when I am not even in the building. I have said unless he can go down in the room with the babysitter (she is nursery manager who looks after two of the other guests kids so is qualified at least) and that I can get him to sleep before I leave then I will go for the dinner support ds when he does speech (he is nervous) and then go back again and skip the rest of the evening hopefully before ds wakes up. I mean I know I must sound neurotic but I think its really crap to get married abroad and say but you cant bring your kids. In the UK sure - would leave them with folks or friends or a babysitter he knows for the night, but this has been so hard and strssful and am still not sure will be able to leave him when it comes to it. Am going to have to see how I feel and what it is like when I get there and then decide - bride said to me - well I need to know now so we can rethink the top table if you are not going to be there ..... I jsut said am happy to not be on the top table so if I dont make it because he wont settle or am not happy with anything then I won't feel like I am messing everything up.

I suppose this should be on an Am I Being Unreasonable thread!

Hello... I'm no longer missing, I was AWOL, well on hols with DH and work has been mad, crazy busy since getting back.

Leewt, Tigerbear and Boodlebot I am so very sorry for your losses sad

Leewt, on a positive note I had a suspected molar but after a couple of months of testing I was told it was just a 'regular' m/c and could carry on, fingers crossed it may be the same for you x

Viv, Becky and Little, congrats smile

on your wonderful news x

Wednesday
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD58
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD24
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD23
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD22
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD16
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD16
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 5 CD12
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD8
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD8?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD5

MIA
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD43
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD43

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (mc)
boodleboot (ectopic)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

Notice:

Lost - one AF. !!!!

Morning ladies

Like MrsRigby I don't really know what to say after everything that has happened to leewt, tigerbear and boodleboot.

Part of me feels guilty that things seem to be working out for me, and at the same time, I'm still a little bit terrified that it's all a bit too good to be true and something's going to come and bite me on the bum again.

That said, I am feeling reasonably positive - I went to the EPU on Friday who took a blood test and then went back again on Sunday for the second one. My hcg levels had more than doubled (gone up from 250 to 750 in 48 hours hmm

) so all looks well so far. They've also booked me in for a scan on 1st October, so at least I know that's in the diary.

Apart from that, I'm throwing myself into the wedding planning to take my mind off worrying about the pregnancy. Eight weeks to go! <<mild hysteria>>

Good news, Lee !

Still no symptoms, other than utter exhaustion but that's only because this week my job has taken me to Leeds and Cardiff and now I have an all day meeting in London.

Am stressing. With last pg I felt sick. This time, nothing. Still, early scan on Monday so I guess we will see. Am refusing to get excited ... (still).

Evening

I still don't really know what to say after what has happened to leewt, tigerbear and boodleboot.

I'm so sad for them sad

.

As you can see I'm on CD8, DH and I have already had sex last night and the night before (optimistic I know).

Just been speaking to DH and he reckons I'm already pregnant because I'm being moody with him - yeh, nothing to do with me wanting to go to bed as DS is going to wake me up in an hour.

Have split the list so we have list, missing in action and grads, putting to MIA once 10 days over UCL and no updates for a while - we can always move back when we have news but saves updating and makes it easier to track

have realised that bar apples whose waiting for AF I am now at the top of the list. Have no tests in the house, pit stop at Tesco tomorrow for toddler supplies for our trip will be last test of strength before depart for france

No symptoms, boobs as normal, few twinges in the belly but nothing that feels like anything IYSWIM. Will have to wait and see.

Glad you are going to hang around LeeWT

Everyone is very quiet .....

Tuesday
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD57
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD23
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD22
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD21
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD15
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD15
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD8
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD7?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD4

MIA
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD42
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD42
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD37/38

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (mc)
boodleboot (ectopic)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

leewt what meita said xxx

oh lee that's such good news! I am so relieved for you. In a strange way though. Molar would have been frightening and a huge set-back and might have had really bad consequences, so it's really really good that it isn't molar. On the other hand, what it also means, as you pointed out, is that there was a bean growing and then you had a MC. So am sending you lots of (((hugs))) once again - and of course, pleeeeease hang out with us here!

Hi all,

thought i'd give an update that the hospital came back to say it was NOT a molar pregnancy and I dont need further treatment..

Cant tell you how relieved I am and now I know there was a real baby in there that I can grieve for..

Am still going to take a break from TTC maybe til after xmas but would still like to hang out with you lovely gals and send you babydust until then!

xxx

I think an MIA list would be good - for people who are +10 and haven't updated for a while, we can then wait and see if they come back or not

I will not buy test i will not buy tests - am going to france early on thursday and not back til next tuesday so as long as i dont buy any before i go i won't be able to test till i am on cd 30 even if i wanted to

meita sometimes I think we can be too scientific about these things and you may have ovulated but not registered it in the normal way - its like with pregnancy sometimes symptoms are strong and sometimes not so LittleOneMum you must not worry either

Hi everyone, just wanted to say hello.
Cheepz - STEP AWAY FROM THE TESTS!
Hello Meita - I'm sure everything will be ok

LittleoneMum - have you got any symptoms yet?

zayja sorry that AF got you. At least you know you ovulated! How many days past ovulation did AF arrive? If that is 10 days or less, you should perhaps think of discussing it with your doc - especially if it happens again.

cheepz I think the whole list was "off" simply because Zayja is in the US (I believe) and so she posted another Monday list, when for us here it's already Tuesday. So I'm sending another Tuesday list, hoping it's right this time!

Tuesday
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD57
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD42
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD42
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD37/38
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD23
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD22
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD21
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD15
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD15
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD8
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD7?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD4

I've also wondered about em, trixel and also barrenbrook. Should we put them on a "missing" list once their CD goes past 10 days beyond their UCL without any news?

apples how are you holding out up there?

tfls how are things with PILs? I hope you got some BD in all the same!

me: Well it's CD21 and CM has dried up. But no sign of ovulation far and wide (CB OPK gave me only -ves, and no temp surge either). So I am, grudgingly, resigning myself to another long wait. I just hope I will eventually ovulate, and hopefully not just then when DP is away next week. I suspect last cycle might have been anovulatory (there was a temp shift but only a slight one) and if this one is anovulatory too, I will start being rather upset.
When I had a really long cycle sometime last year, I was tested for PCOS and early menopause (eek!) but all came back clear. I am starting to wonder if I should have the tests done again. But probably I'm just talking myself into a panic. [wills herself to calm down smiley]

hiya

looked at my persona this morning and it seems I am on cd23 not 22 so have missed a day somewhere - have updated list!! every day closer counts!

sorry to hear AF gotcha zayja but i think you expected it and it sounds like you are taking a sage view on things

hope everyone else doing ok today

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD56
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD41
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD41
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD36/37
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD23
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD21
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD20
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD14
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD14
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD7
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD6?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD3

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (molar pgy)
boodleboot (ectopic )
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

Hi Ladies,
Just catching up with the news here and am so sad for you tiger and boodle. It's beyond shit and I don't know what to say to you, except I'm sorry, and I hope things get better with time.

I've been missing you ladies as I'm so busy now being back to work and working on a sculpture for an art competition. I will try to check in as often as I can.

Well, AF got me as suspected. No crying this time though! Hoping for next month

I'm now on CD3 so I'll update the list.
BIG CONGRATS to littleonemum and viv! Hoping for healthy sticky beans for you both.

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD56
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD41
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD41
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD36/37
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD22
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD21
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD20
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD14
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD14
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD7
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD6?
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 5 CD3

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (molar pgy)
boodleboot (ectopic )
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

Am trying to pick myself up off the floor and dust off - its been a tough month with whats happened to poor LeeWT and Boodle having gone through so much of their pain in post MC TTC and then joy at BFP's last month to have them both lose their beans again this month is too much to bear.

2WW is getting to me as well, much as I am trying to be indifferent I am not! 1 week to go and I am still determined not to waste a single penny on doing a test until I am at least 4 days past CD28 I have had no indication at all that the one time DH and I managed to 'do it' in our window was sufficient.

tiger hope you are bearing up ok and apples are you going for 60?

beginning to wonder if em22 and trixel are still with us

and zayja you must be due soon although recall you thought AF was gonna get you...

. Tiger and Boodle it is such sad news and I can't bear it. Wish there was something I could do.

Viv - great news. Really happy for you. Still pg this end too but still failing to feel any excitement as yet...

chin up tiger its a rollercoaster, you are entitled to feel just as crap and emotionally turbulent as this and all can say is that things will settle and you will get stronger and more stable as time goes on.

Oh boodle, that's so terribly sad. All my love to you and your family. I know nothing anyone says can make it better, but remember we're all here for you, if you do decide to come back after a while.

I'm feeling up and down like a yo-yo. Saturday I felt great - went for an 11 mile run and was amazed that I could even do 1 mile let alone 11, considering I hadn't done any training for 2 weeks, since all of this started. Think was on an endorphin high and was in surprisingly high spirits.

Sunday - a totally different story. The cramp and bleeding got MUCH worse- not sure if this is still part of the mc, or my proper period, but it was - and still is - horrid. The type where pain killer make no difference at all.
Was awful to DH - didn't help when he told me to 'cheer up' on the way to church!!!! As you can imagine, my reaction to that was totally justified I think! Then I proceeded to:
- cry through the hymns
- cry as there was an adorable baby being christened
- totally blanked someone we know who is due in about 3 weeks - literally turned my back on her as we left church - feel like a total bitch now - DH said she had been looking over and smiling, sort of thinking we would be going over to say hi - but couldn't face making small talk about how many weeks to go, etc
- cried all over a friend, standing in the middle of the aisle on the way out
- was very 'off' with the vicar on the way out (he came over to ask if I was interested in a big project for next year) - felt stupid standing there with a tear stained face, so shuffled away asap.

Things got better later in the day, and had lots of hugs from DH, but feel awful about feeling the way I do, ifyswim, especially when people like boodle have been through so much worse.

Feel much better today emotionally, but stupid cramp pains are still here.

Still so sad for Boodle. Sounds like you are being very brave about it all, and good to reflect on everything you have, but even so such a difficult time emotionally. There are defintely going to be MN threads which will have women in the same position so maybe see if there is additional support for you there, we will always be here of course. Will Facebook you later (banned at work!)

Have updated list - heart not really in it at the mo though
Not much to say. 2WW

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD56
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD41
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD41
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD36/37
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD33
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD22
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD21
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD20
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD14
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD14
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD7
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD6?

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (molar pgy)
boodleboot (ectopic sad

)
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

thanks girls. i know there is nothing that can be really said as this will just take time to get my head around. feel very empty at the moment and almost devoid of emotion, prob a safety mechanism. i have kent selection tests and 11+ to get the daughter ready for and my son has tae kwon do gradings to practice for so really back to normal in one respect in our family home. I am 31 and have gorgeous children,husband and cats and a very madcap happy family home, i am grateful for that and will need to remember that to help me get some perspective, my life is already amazing and we will get through this. MN is going to be a no go zone for me for a while as i need to clear my head from babymaking and reevalutate but any of you can contact me on FB should you want to. i dont want to bring the thread down in a sad

mood....good luck to you all with your pregnancies or TTC xxx

love and hugs
Leanna Minahan

oh boodle

I too was checking in all the time to see how you were doing - and my heart was sinking the longer there was no news. So desperately sad for you.

Boodle I am broken hearted for you.. Have been checking mn all weekend to c if u are ok..

I feel the same as you having lost two babies in four months.. It's almost incomprehensible to thnk of moving on..

My email is walsheet at gmail . Com if you ever want a chat but don't feel able for mumsnet..

All my love and best wishes, am crying for us both right now and am here if u need a chat Xxxx

boodleboot I'm so, so, so sorry.

sad

Oh Boodle thats so heartbreaking for you. Nothing to say that will make any difference at all except so much love to you and your dh. xxxxxx sad

hi guys.

i am really sad to say that despite seeing a lovely bean and strong heartbeat on fri, the pregnancy was ectopic and they removed both baby and left tube in emergency surgery almost straightaway. it was very frightening and like bad dream and i think it still hasnt really sunk in. sad

i don't think i want it to actually. horrible post op pain from the keyhole surgery gas stuff they use has meant i have only just been released. sadly the right tube shows external signs of the same scarring as the right so i have gone from being pregnant to having a fifty percent chance of falling pregnant again with another ectopic likely.

i am retiring for the next few months to consider with DH if we are even up for doing this again....i dont think i am right now but that may change. i need to grieve for this poor misplaced bean. to lose two babies in one year is far too much for me to bear... sad

i really really wish you all the luck in the world and hope you all have happy healthy pregnancies and continue to support eachother through....god bless. smile

Evening everyone - it's been a while, can't actually remember when I last posted .

You may or may not know that Google has released an online monopoly competition. I LOVE MONOPOLY. So of course I've managed to get myself hooked and hence I went AWOL from the thread.

Sorry.

Feeling better, that's mostly because I'm just not thinking about returning to work or DS being put in nursery. Ignorance is bliss . Also my period has finished and I'm concentrating on TTC#2 this month [wishful thinking smiley].

tigerbear I'm so, so, so, sorry sad

.

vivclicquot congratulations.

boodleboot where are you? I hope your everything is okay. I've got my fingers crossed that you'll reply with good news.

Hi everyone,

I'm so sorry for Boodle, seems so unfair to go through all the horrible uncertainty again.

CD54 for me. Nowt happening. No sign of AF. It is quite hard not having a CD to at least give a feeling of progress, going towards or moving away from ovulation. Not obsessive or anything, but have occupied myself instead with saving some money on Ebay. Spent £300 on Playmobil in the last 10 days - that's a saving right?? Hope AF arrives soon because I am "watching" another couple items..

Any news from Boodleboot? And how is MrsRigby?

Well, I finally got a conclusive result from the hospital today - my hcg levels have gone down to 70 from 110, so it's fair to say that this one isn't progressing. I kind of knew this already, but still upsetting to hear for sure 'sorry, this was a failed pregnancy'. Although I did my crying the other night, I feel very 'flat' this evening, and the bleeding is still happening.

Congrats VIV hope alls well this time.Good luck grin

Hi All

LEEWT I too found medical management horrible soo drawn out took about 14 hrs for anything to happen.

The reason i ve been referred is my age i think i m 39 in December and i m a specialist sister in the same trust soo i think they referred me as a bit of a favour.

Seen my gp todays whos going to refer me to the recurrent miscarriage clinic.

Hope everyone is well and looking fpreward to the weekend.Bleeding stopped now rung EPU who recommended i don t have sex or swim for another week then BD here we come...

Friday's list

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD53
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD38
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD38
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD33/34
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD30
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD19
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD18
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD17
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD11
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD10
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD4
Tigerbear TTC#1 UCL28 cycle WTF CD3?

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
VivCliquot BFP 10th September

I'm thrilled that there is some good news on the grad's list, but still worried for boodle.

Myself, well OPK hasn't given me a +ve yet, so we're keeping up the BD, and hoping for the best. I'm at the office now and will POAS in half an hour or so (as you're supposed to do it at roughly the same time every day) - I just hope no-one goes to the ladies at the same time as I do and then wonders why I don't come out for 5 minutes... hmm

Just been to the hospital for the second blood test - will get the results at about 5pm. However, I did ANOTHER Clearblue (I know, stupid), and it still says 1-2 weeks, so it's fair to say that it's all over, and the hcg has gone down rapidly. I kind of knew it, but wanted to make sure, instead of waiting all day for the blood test results and having some sort of false hope.

Viv - that's excellent news!!!!!! Glad you are starting to feel excited.

Good luck with the test later.

viv good luck with epu!!

Louise I too had the medical management with my first mmc - talk about false advertising I have never been through anything as traumatic in my life. I actually contacted the gp and hv to complain via them .. Don't know about you but I found it extremely painful and traumatic. Had erpc last wk & tho it's knocked me out bit more it was way less stressful.

Let us know how you get on with the investigation re your mcs tho I thought they didn't consider two to be a pattern? After all I had dd no bother and then had two mcs so apparently you're still statistically likely to be able to have healthy pregnancy.. According to the books anyway!

I know some of our grads are having scans today so am sending loads of sticky vibes to you girls!!!

Morning ladies

Well, it all feels very surreal but am starting to have those first flickers of excitment.

Called the EPU this morning and they've told me to go in this afternoon for a blood test, just to check what's what. Hopefully they can reassure me one way or another.

Hi All

Thanks for the warm welcome i used to post ALOT on mumsnet last year when i had my first miscarriage but had managed to pick myself back uptill off work and stopped.

Congrats to those with BFP smile

...Fingers crossed they stick seems to be no rhyme or reason to it...With my first MMC no signs or symptons there was anything wrong with my second had some spotting, all be it "old" blood!!!!

Next time i get my BFP not going to give it 1 thought or attempt to analyse in any way shape or form!!!!

Hope everyones well today ,I m still off work going to see dr as hospital have reccommended i be referred to recurrent miscarriage unit and going to push for asap.Then we can ttc again asap.

All well with me after EPRC stopped bleeding after 2 days much better and less traumatic than the medical management i had last year.Got nice stuff to look foreward to off to Amsterdam for 5 days next weekend then back for 10 days then off on my hols YEH.Plenty of sun, wine and BD... grin

boodle crossed posts with you earlier and only jsut read your post ... don't you be coming back here lady.. or at least we only want to see you if you are just visiting. [attempts supportive emoticon] thinking of you. Fingers and everything crossed (well I am on my 2WW after all) wink

seriously, love coming your way big style

oh viv so happy for you!

That's one HUGE step taken. Let this one be a sticky bean.

boodle I'm thinking of you :-( , best of luck tomorrow. I sooooo hope that everything turns out to be alright.

Joy and pain seem to be lying very close tonight.

viv congrats!!!!

got this off a website-
Question: How Long Does It Take for hCG To Drop to Zero After a Miscarriage?

Answer: The exact length of time for hCG to leave your system after a miscarriage depends on how high the hCG level was at the time that the pregnancy stopped developing.

The average span of time is that the hCG can disappear from your system in anywhere from 9 to 35 days. In general, a woman who had a very early miscarriage is likely to have her hCG return to zero faster than someone whose loss occurred later.

Therefore I think Viv that you're laughing! wahoo!

This is such an odd feeling. The reason I thought of calling the EPU is that they told me when they were counselling me through the ERPC process that if and when I ever got pregnant again, to call them and they would happily see me.

You're right though. Might leave it a few days and call my GP.

viv that's great news. Stay calm and breathe!!! So very exciting, that's 3 this month now with LittleOne and Becky. Unless there is a problem I wouldn't call the epu, just take some time for a day or so then maybe see your gp. Xxxxx happy for you

Evening ladies.

Bit the bullet and did a test an hour ago.

It's positive

Have called DP and told him to come home and he immediately guessed what was up, bless him.

I now don't know whether to laugh or cry, and have convinced myself that as it's only 8 weeks after my ERPC that it's some sort of residual hangover - even though I had my first post-MMC period 30 days after the op. What do I do now? Call the EPU? Shit! Help!

Hi LeeWT , thanks. I'm going early tomorrow, so hopefully will have the results by the end of the day.
How are you feeling today?

Oh and can I explain that my multiple spelling mistakes are a result of me having to use my iPhone for internet at the min and can be a bit fiddly!

Louise welcome to the thread/sanity source that is mn!

I too have had two mc very close together one mmc and one molar pregnancy (to be confirmed on Monday) and I'm not allowed to try fir a ling while now but am still hanging out with these lovely ladies whilst waiting..
It's an awful shock to the system and you're right to take comfort from the fact that u can conceive but give yourself time to grieve also..

boodle best of luck for your scan tomorrow will have everything crossed unlike some sex addicts here grin

tiger so sorry for everything ur going throu your epu sound a bit of a nightmare..

viv fingers crossed for you keep us updated!!

apples any news?

tfls how's things going for you?!

Xxx

Hi Cheepz ok, thanks for the info.
Here is are the details:
TTC 1
UCL - 28 days
Cycle - O
CD - no idea, as not had a proper period! Light bleeding still happening.

Oh Boodleboot - that is awful, how sad. Sending massive hugs to you, and really praying that things work out ok for the scan tomorrow. Fingers crossed. At least it's good that you aren't in any pain / no bleeding. Let's hope it will be ok.

Hmmm - just had a call from the hospital, and my blood tests proved inconclusive. Apparently my hcg level is 110, and she said their pg tests were supposed to detect anything above 45, so it just goes to show that their tests aren't the best! I have to go back for another blood test tomorrow morning to see if the levels are dropping (which they prob will have done).

Tigerbear
TTC# is trying to concieve number .... ie what number child - 1 - first, 2 - second etc

UCL = usual cycle length - how many days is it

Cycle = how many cycles post mc - the one which comes straight after the mc before first period (af / aunt flo) is cycle 0 or as we have termed it the WTF cycle bwcause you never know what the f**K is going on!

CD is cycle day - so where are you in your current cycle

hope that helps

higuys, just been catching up on all that is going on....

sorry tiger for your loss - sad

- early or late, its the hopes and the dreams that we mourn. stick with the thread and try again when you feel ready.

i am having prety turbulent ride with my BFP and after an early scan proved inconclusive and repeat bloods have shown my HCG are rising not doubling {3200 tues - 4564 today}like the EPAC would like, i have to be rescanned in the morning.....looks like this very much wanted pregnancy might be an ectopic...

it aint over til its over but still, the thought of it all ending again is almost too much too bear. sad

I personally dont feel like it is ectopic....minimal pain, no bleeding....and the scan the other day did show two black dots in my uterus which the sonographer described as possible 4 week gestation sacs...it would be a cruel blow if they turned out to be nothing as the real pregnancy is hiding in one of my tubes...

terrified of going back in to be rescanned but hey ho, still praying for positive outcome... smile

Afternoon everyone,
Thanks for all the lovely messages, I really do appreciate you guys so much. I'm feeling ok today, been trying to catch up on a few work things. Hello fatlady and littleoneMum*.

*VivCliquot - The hospital hasn't called yet, but am not holding out any hope that the blood tests will come back positive...
LeeWT - it's ok, I have my own business and work from home, so can do as little or as much as I like, whenever I like, which is a blessing.
The bleeding is hardly there anymore, and physically I feel fine. So much so that I'm going to start running again tonight, which is good. My DH is the same - he now understands why I love MN so much, but he doesn't want me getting obsessed.
Sorry to hear you aren't feeling well - hope you're better soon.

Meita - that's awful that you were away at the time of the mc

. Good luck with the BD'ing!

Cheepz - no, that's fine to put me on the list. I'm just not sure what it all means though - tell me what else I need to add?

Louisesh - hello, so sorry to hear about your loss. This thread is amazing - please stay on it, and come back whenever you need to.

hi louise I'm so sorry you had to experience two MCs. Glad you found your way here though.
When I had my MC I also clung to the thought that I had become pg and so I would again. But right at the beginning, that thought had little power - the grief and sadness needed its space too! The fact that I probably could get pg again did not actually lessen the pain of losing the bean. I hope you are giving yourself time and care at this difficult time and that you have someone looking out for you a bit.

viv oh how mortifying! Still, a late period is usually a good early sign... do let us know if you cave in and do a test! All fingers and toes crossed! (not legs though, no, can't cross legs today wink

)

Oh Louise

. That is really sad news. Welcome to one of the nicest threads on the board though. Everyone knows how you are feeling, and it's a great place to let off steam.

Hope you are being really good to yourself...

hi louisesh we are always sorry to see new people here because it means you will have had to deal with some really difficult things but welcome all the same and glad you found us.

Hi

Been "lurking" for a bit and would like to join please!!!!

My name's Louise, i m 38 and have just been through my 2 nd miscarriage in the last year.Last Oct had a missed miscarriage diagnosed at the 12 week scan and proceeded to have medical management which was a nightmare with the bleeding etc..... taking ages to settle down.

Got my BFP 4 weeks ago fine up till last friday when started with a tiny amount of old brown discharge no other signs and symptons.Managed to get myself a scan at EPU on Tuesday only to be informed that the pregnancy was no longer viable LO had stopped growing last Friday.Went in for ERPC yesterday which went fine.Now off for a few days from work.

Just trying to keep optimistic clinging on to the fact i ve got pregnant twice in the past so theres no reason to think it won t happen again but its soo hard........

Oh tiger, have just logged on and seen your news and am so so sorry. Have you heard back from the hospital today?

lee I also have cold and it's doing my head in. Don't feel ill enough to take time off work, but by the same token, must have got through five packets of tissues already today. Bleurgh.

Well, today is Day 29 for me (so have updated the list below as I was a couple of days out) but absolutely no sign of AF whatsover, despite having occasional cramps and twinges now for the last six days.

Am too scared to test, quite frankly - both because I'm scared it will be a BFN, but also in case it is a BFP and all the emotions that would inevitably throw up.

Thursday list

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD52
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD37
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD37
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD32/33
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD29
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD29
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD18
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD17
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD16
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD10
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD9
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD3
Tigerbear TTC#? UCL? cycle WTF CD2

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September

apples, any news? I've been thinking of you. My fingers are crossed for you that the situation gets resolved soon.

tiger how are you today? Did you get any news from the blood test?

lee angry

at that cold, it's typical that it would get you now. Yes, I do think they are trying to tell you something - obviously, they are telling you that you should be pampering yourself. I think you should listen to them wink

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cheepz it only takes the once. But I admire you for being calm. I hope you can carry that with you until the next ovulation window, which might not be for a very long time if you're lucky... (and as you said, dating would be kind of easy hmm

)

tfls (hugs) to you. How are you doing? PILs arrived? Is the monitor working better this time round?

I'm thinking I might get a +ve on the OPK today (splashed out on CB OPK, first time I'm using OPK). CM is just right, egg-white and all, which I haven't had so clearly since I've started observing back in February. (I'm thinking it might have something to do with that raspberry leaf infusion I've been drinking.) Also, had a temp-dip today which usually precedes ovulation in my charts. We had a BD-break last night so now ready to get down to things seriously wink

. I'm feeling kind of in control right now, and relaxed - I doubt I'll be able to carry that through the looming 2ww though.

Morning all

tiger hope you are feeling ok this morning and that you have managed to get some rest

lee sorry to hear you have been struck down by kids cold - I always find the stuf DS brings home from nursery goves him a minor cold and wipes me out for 3 days!

Looking for updates from Em22, Trixel, Barrenbrook, Zayja and Viv

Am now on CD18 and so now into the 2WW ... boo hiss .. and given we only had one shot at bd in the window I think its unlikely I am going to grad this month - am already anticipating being back at the bottom of the list in about 10 days time!

Feeling ok though - am feeling quite pragmatic about everything at the moment so its nice to be in a calm place. I go abit mental in the ovulation window but other than that seem to be quite calm (DH might say different!)

Have updated list tiger hope you don't mind I have put you on CD2 on the basis that you got your terrible news yesterday - but you might be more days in if the bleeding you had last week was the MC. Anyway I hope thats not insensitive, not my intention at all, on the contrary I found having dates and times to focus on a way of looking to the future.

Thursday list

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD52
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD37
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD37
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD32/33
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD29
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD27
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD18
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD17
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD16
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD10
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD9
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD3
Tigerbear TTC#? UCL? cycle WTF CD2

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September

Oh Tiger

. Only just saw your messages and I am so so sad. Don't really know what to say, other than I am glad your DH is being so nice, and please take all the time you need to mourn this - it is a real loss. Look after yourself. x

tiger how are you doing now honey? Glad dh was so supportive. I was worried when you said u are going back to work.. Not to pry too much but how much are you bleeding? You shouldn't rush back to work until your bodys recovered..
You are right about mn, I don't think I could have gotten through my two mcs and all that happened in between without it.. My dh didn't like seeing me on it as much when we were ttc and he was prob right at the time I was obsessed but think he understands now..

meita thanks for asking I'm ok.. I've caught dds cold which for me always means a chest infection as I'm asthmatic. So feeling a bit floored by that I hate being headachey.. Last night two of my work friends called up and brought flowers and chocs, a card and a voucher for beauty place nearby so I can go for massage or pedicure. AND my mums comig up next week and similarly got me a voucher for another hair and beauty place (maybe they're all trying to tell me something!)

how's everyone else today? Xxx

tiger the first few days are the worst then it gets a little easier. So sorry for your loss. Hugs and kisses sweetheart. CAnt remember who said it but they were right - don't let people diminuish your loss with the - oh at least it was early line. I was 5 -6 weeks and its just heartbreaking. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Oh tiger - what a cruel twist of fate. You are really going through it at the moment. Glad your DH has understood (not making excuses at all but we do live with it all 24/7 so maybe it does take them a little longer to catch up and understand the importance/emotions involved). Sorry I'm probably expressing things badly. Hope you're OK. Just remember it is a real rollercoaster and even if you dip low you will come up again.

MrsR hope things are better in the R househould tonight.

meita - sad

at you having to go through the m/c away from your DP.

This thread really is a lifeline.

Love to all.

oh, just crossed messages. I'm so glad that DH has been good with you - and yes, this has been a lifeline for many of us.
Enjoy that takeaway food. And take care.

tiger I hope DH has arrived and made up for being late by being extra-nice and caring.

I was abroad when I MCed and had to tell DP on the phone and couldn't see him until 3 days later. That was not very nice... Also, by the time I finally got back home I was over the worst of the shock and was mostly just numb and cold inside, so he never really understood how terrible it had been for me at the time, and so he was sort of surprised a bit later when the numbness lifted and the grief arrived in full force. He was sad, too, but more in a "oh dear, that's a pity. Well, we'll have to try again" way.

lee how are you holding up?

LeeWT and Meita - sorry not to be back sooner - DH did come home not long after I last posted. He has been very sweet, and we had a long talk about everything and I told him all about what happened at the EPAU.

I was telling him how I'd been straight on here pretty much as soon as I got back from the hospital, and how kind you've all been, and it made DH cry! I don't think until now he has understood how amazing MN and you guys are. I think he thinks I'm a bit odd to be on here all the time!

As you all know, this thread is an absolute lifeline isn't it?
It helps soooo much to have people who understand.
I've just been reading this thread from start to finish, and can't believe I've only been on it for about a week - it seems like I've 'known' you all for ages.

Am not feeling too bad now - DH went to get a nice comforting takeaway - nothing like crispy duck pancakes and cripsy beef to cheer me up! I'm going to have an early night now, and try to get back into RL properly tomorrow - considering I've done eff all work over the last week at least I can get back into that. I'm also doing a half marathon next week, and as I thought I was pg, I haven't done any training for over a week so must start again tomorrow.

Lots of hugs to you all, especially Meita and LeeWT for sitting with me earlier.

tiger any sign of dh?

shout if u need us x

Thanks Meita. I'm still waiting for DH to come home, and getting slightly pissed off that he isn't here yet. I know he had loads of work to do this evening, and earlier on he had said he would have to stay late, but still.

What was your DH reaction when you mc'd?

Tiger, I'm thinking your DH must be home by now. I and others will be checking here for in case you feel the need to talk, all right? Take care of yourself.

tiger I'm so so sorry my pet.. And don't let anyone take this bean away from you it was your bean for the time you had him no matter how little..

My hv told me that nhs tests and drs tests are crappy cheap twosh so it might make sense if your level has gone down that they haven't picked it up. Did she scan u?

We're all here for you hope you are ok xxx

I really don't know if the ones they use in the hospital are any different than CB. When I went in to hospital when I started bleeding, they did a test which came back -ve, and I started wondering if I had imagined it all and had never actually been pg? But it does leave you in kind of a limbo, when you just want to believe that the hospital's test was wrong and your own HPT was right. Although if there really was much hope, you'd expect the people at the hospital to have mentioned it, no?

Ah, your mum is probably right in that if there weren't any early testing, we'd have less pain and worries. But, given that we DO have those early testing possibilities, knowing that "we wouldn't have known" doesn't make the pain, now that we do know, go away.

Put yourself first, all right? If you feel like that church meeting is not the place for you to be tonight, then don't go.

She didn't really give any indication as to whether she thought the blood test would show up anything other than negative. I'm thinking that the Clearblue must be so advanced to even trace the hormone, they must be more sensitive than the ones used in the hospital?

Thanks Meita, I'm at the point when kind words like yours are lovely, but make me cry again! I guess I should just let the tears happen, and not try to act ok. I was telling my Mum earlier that I'm now not going to a church meeting that is happening tonight, and she expressed suprise and said that life goes on... Don't get me wrong, she was very sympathetic and lovely as always, but I think she also feels that all of this early testing is a bit odd. She said again that in her day I would have been none the wiser, and just thought it was my period, and thinks that the home tests are perhaps too sophisticated for their own good.
Maybe she's right.

It's so confusing that your HPT says +ve but the hospital test says -ve. Did they explain this to you at all?

Trying to make sense out of it, with your bleeding last week, the actual MC could have been anytime between then and now. HPTs can still give you +ves long after the MC, which is why TTC in the cycle immediately after MC can be tricky and nerve-wracking. Some of us have waited aaaages to finally get a negative after the MC.

Did they say there was any hope for a +ve blood test?

tiger, whilst I too think that MC later on must be really really terrible, I still feel that every MC, no matter how far along you were, is a horrible experience to go through. Please do not feel like a fraud. I was only just 5 weeks (had known for a week that I was pg) when I MCed - and I completely fell to pieces, and still feel sometimes that I haven't quite fully recovered. There is no sense in comparing pain and loss. It's your pain and your loss, and it's real.

I'm glad you were able to talk to DH and that he's coming home. And please don't feel like you have to play the "strong, tough" woman now.

I'll be checking in to see if you're ok. If you need to talk to someone apart from your DP/mum, we're here for you.

Hi Meita, thanks for posting. I just spoke to DH, and he's coming home from work in the next half hour. Just spoke to my Mum too. One minute I feel ok, and the next I'm crying (can't see the key board for tears). I feel a bit of a fraud too, as I know I'm fortunate compared to a lot of people on here who mc'd much later when it was all more real and further down the line.

I feel like going to get totally drunk, and I don't even drink!

I'm here, hoping you're not all alone. After this week of not knowing, being stuck between worry and hope, you must have been at your limits anyway, and now this. It's such pain, such a loss, so much sadness. Is there anyone else you can call? Someone who will come and be with you for a bit?

oh tigerbear, so sorry to hear that. <big hug>
have you managed to reach your DH yet?

If anyone's around, please could someone give me a virtual hug / come talk to me for a bit?
I've just been to the EPAU, did the weeing in bottle thing, doctor asked me to go and undress behind the curtain so we could do the scan- when I came out, she said my test was negative.

She did a blood test to make sure, and will call me tomorrow with the results.

Came straight home and been crying ever since.
Couldn't believe that it was negative, when the digital test I did on Monday said I was 2-3 weeks, along with all of the other FIVE FUCKING TESTS!!!!! (sorry, don't normally swear).
So have just done ANOTHER digi test, which still says pg, but now 1-2 weeks. So I guess I must have mc'd yesterday, and the hormone levels are dropping quickly.
So sad and disappointed. DH doesn't even know yet, as he's not picking up his phone.

Boil my own head in batter am laughing very loudly at that cheepz*

*mrsrigby perhaps instead of a ttc list we could have a running board of twat levels of our dh\dps.

Batter go hahahahahahaha

Oh, Mrs. R sad

I don't really know what to say except good luck at the doctor's and I feel like writing you a cheque for £200 right now!

mrsr seems like we are all having a rubbish time from our dh's at the mo... but you have taken over from Lee as being top of my 'welfare check' list. Seems like your dh is winner of prize for 'top class arse' at the moment, hang on in there as TFLS says.
Definitely don't think you should go back to work if you are just now bonding with ds as its such an important time for you and you won't get it back.

I am sure there must be things you could do from home - envelope stuffing - you could get your ds to do it with you ;)

I am in the office today in London (normally I can get away with working in the Burbs office) for bbig presentation to Exec team, last thing I feel like right now but hey ho

Also have a hen night on the weekend where they want me to wear a french maid outfit - i would rather boil my own head in batter, I don't think people who are in a wierd place emoptionally should be made to dress up, its just very wrong.

right must crack on

MrsR - I'm dashing to the airport to pick up PIL. Will post later. Hang in there.

Morning.

He came back last night. This morning we're not talking and he's acting like nothing has happened.

He just kept going on last night about wanting a safety net, he doesn't seem to understand how bad things are. He wouldn't be bothered if I went on anti-depressants, he suggested going on them before. He told me I'll be okay when I go back to work.

Basically it's not so much about the money, more what he wants, that's the message I'm getting.

I'm going to the baby clinic tomorrow, so I'll ask the doctor if he can sign me of work with stress.

MrsRigby - sending a virtual hug to you. I hope you're ok. Has your DH come back yet / anything been resolved?

Practical ways to make £200 per month:
Ebay stuff?
What did you used to work as? Can you turn any of the skills you had there into something else? Something you can do from home?
Make things to sell on Etsy / to local stores (only works out if you're inclined towards actually making stuff, obv!)

I'll try to think of some more (and will have to take my own advice, as I'm not making much money right now!).

Take care, and let us know how you're doing.
x

Virtual hug to everyone else too - we all need a bit of comfort - GROUP HUG!!!! (sorry to go all American on you!)

lee you desperately deserve some happiness with your daughter at the moment so I wouldn't worry about any supposed "norm" for time off. Plus you have a more complicated situation with the molar side.

MrsR - really hope that you are making up with MrR at the moment.... I need to log off but will check back first thing. Hope you get some sleep tonight. Take care.

To be fair tfls work are in no hurry to see me back and my gp will let me stay off as long as I need, within reason, so that's not an issue.

Played with my dd properly for the first time in 4 weeks as I've been so sick so I guess I feel I've some way to go to getting our little family back on track..

Mrs rigby are you ok? X

I took a couple of days lee but I mainly work from home so it was slightly different. Also I m/c over a weekend. To be honest, with hindsight I took far too little time. I achieved nothing on the days when I was trying to work and I'm sure I only made things harder for myself as I got in a vicious circle of feeling depressed and cross with myself for not achieving anything. But I was so flat I found it impossible to focus on work (I know others have found it a distraction). DH had a go at me in the end and I took a couple more days off and really turned a corner.

I guess it's a very individual thing but I wouldn't overhurry to go back if I were you.

How sympathetic are work?

Thanks TFLS and yes that would be a great night out!!

Oh mrsrigby please dont feel alone. I know only too well the dispair and loneliness that comes with emotions like these.. yesterday after the fight with dh i ended up on the floor in my bedroom crying uncontrollably but you can and will sort this out..

you dont have to make a decision yet and you still can work out a way to have some meaningful dialogue with dh

please dont cry sad

you'll set me off (insert basketcase emoticon here)

loads of love and virtual support, and okayyy, some of my virtual fat free lasagne and wine from TFLS..

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Crossed posts with you mrsR. What a lousy night. Hopefully he'll be back soon. Hope you're OK???

I'm sure there is a real emotional fall out in the period after m/c which will pass. It just seems black at times.

Can you find something to distract you?

Also can I ask (i asked in mc thread too but I know you guys) how long did you take off work after your mc?

i took 7 working days after my mmc in may and didnt feel it was long enough.. and am not really inclined to go back anytime soon after this one. for one thing my hormone level is still high and i'm getting bad cramps..

would be interested to see how long you guys took

x

lee one virtual lasagne with garlic bread, green salad and a nice bottle of vino coming up (and all calorie free as an extra bonus) smile

. Hope you manage to sleep OK tonight despite the discomfort.

mrsR - sorry to post and dash but I used to be a HR manager so if I can do anything to help let me know. I'm pretty out of date though.... but hopefully between everyone we can find a solution [hopeful face]. Please don't cry - I'm sure it's not as bad as it seems.

Wish we all lived in the same area. That could be a very fun evening (but can you imagine sitting at the next table overhearing our conversation though.....) wink

Definately on a period now, I suppose I should be happy about that at least.

Went to bed about an hour ago, DH fell asleep, I started crying uncontrolably, DH and I had an argument and DH has walked out.

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD50
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD35
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD35
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD30/31
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD27
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD25
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD16
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD15
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD14
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD8
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD7
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 2 CD1

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
tigerbear
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September

TFLS i'm in Belfast but you can send me a virtual lasagne with no onions pleeeease! wink

cheepz you got me in one chick and its nice to know i'm not alone.. am back to positive in charge lee now and dh, dd and I have rented a cottage in the fermanagh lakelands that is tidier, prettier and got more plasma tvs than mine so am focussing on that..

*mrs rigby* this might sound old fashioned and silly but if all you really need is £200 a month could you:
- do avon, if you got a good customer base up at 25% commission if you were business like you could make good money
- do a part-time job in a shop or post-office
- make wedding invites or buy/sell on ebay

just few random ideas but i know this much, if you have had post-natal depression and have only gotten to enjoy your dc the last three months then going back to full time work would be very hard and if you only need £200 i'd say there's loads of ways for you to achieve that and still be at home loads.. really feel for you and hope you sort it out..

*apples/meita/mrs r* the long cycles must be a pain in the ass god knows when mine will come back at all..

in leeland, have made the mistake of doing too much today, went to tesco and did a mega shop and am now in agony attached to a hot water bottle and popping neurofen!

zayja I have no family or friends - just you guys and when DH kicks off at me, I have no one to talk to and nowhere to go.

leewt my DH is the same, is very easily stressed and takes it out on me. BTW give me the names of those you want taken care of. I'll do it for free.

tigerbear told you, told you grin

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cheepz my being sick is an inconvenience to my DH, also my crying is emotional blackmail.

Tell me about it applesaretheonlyfruit the nerve of these graduates wink

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meita after being prescribed metformin (a drug for diabetes, diabetes being very closely linked to PCOS) we conceived DS after about 3 months. I'm still on metformin and we've been TTC now for almost 3 months. Clomid is a fertility drug (metformin isn't) and is usually successful in helping women to conceive - the side effect being that there's a high chance of conceiving twins or more. Not that I'd mind having twins or more.

Evening

WARNING WARNING WARNING - I am not in a good mood angry

.

I contacted my manager to inquire about a reduction in hours when I return to work in November (not that I want to go back) and basically they can't give me what I want. If I do decide to go part time it affects not only my salary and annual leave, but maternity leave. I don't know what to do, time is running out fast and it seems that I'm waiting for a solution to just appear out of nowhere.

I've been thinking of working from home, but don't know what to do.

DH say's we need about £200 a month, so I'm sitting here trying to think of somethink I can do from home that will bring in about £200 a month. Any ideas?

I've no idea wether DH is on the line or not. He deals with the financial side of things. He's allocated £200 to each of us to spend a month and won't consider taking away mine. He doesn't think spending less on shopping will make any difference. He's still donating to charity and I think he's putting money into a savings account. Maybe he's just playing it safe.

I just keep crying, I can't bring myself to talk to DH.

I suffered postnatal depression after DS was born and didn't bond with him or feel any love for him until about 3 months ago.

I feel that he's being taken away from me, just as I've started to love him and enjoy being with him.

Okay I'm welling up again...

I don't know, I don't know if I'm making any sense.

On top of all that, I've had some spotting. CD39 I won't hold my breath that it's implantation spotting, more likely I'm finally going to have a period in a day or two.

oops - messages crossed - sorry 'bout posting new list a second time after cheepz did already.

MrsRigby I know, I sometimes get caught up in things and before I know it, I've written way more than I had planned. TTC with PCOS is got to be tough on your patience. Did it get worse since conceiving DC1? Is there a big difference between Metformin and Clomid?

DH*/*DP difficulties My DP said yesterday "Why do you keep going to MN? What good is it? It's just a waste of time, isn't it?" I wanted to explain why: Because at the time when I most needed (emotional) support after the MC, he wasn't there for me, as he was dealing with his own piece of stress (finishing off and submitting his PhD thesis). So I came here instead and found you lovely ladies. Am not going to just quit again now that HE has more time... But then I decided to just say that I like coming here because I can talk about things with you lot, and you understand. I didn't want to "blame" him - I for one am terribly relieved he's finally got that thing done, and am grateful that everything is much more relaxed now. It was a rough time, and I would have wished for things to have been different - but we came through it alright and there is no point in going back and distributing blame.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: I can totally relate to your experiences of feeling let down by your DHs. Lee, I've been thinking, if your friends all love your DH so much, isn't it possible that this is because you never tell them of his more negative sides? Even if they genuinely have a positive image of him, if you tell them what happened, I'm sure they would be supportive. Maybe you could risk it and confide in one of them? I was just thinking, as family is obviously unsupportive angry

, friends would be the next place to look for support and help. I mean, we will always be here for emotional support, but there is little we can do in practical terms.
Anyway, the gym sounds like a great idea. Way to go!

apples, please don't beat yourself up. It's not your fault and you're not a freak, either! More women than you'd think have very long cycles, especially after MC. A while back I once had a 12-week cycle - went to see a GP who did some tests but suddenly AF was in a hurry and arrived before the test results did. It's just one of those things. They happen. Often at the most inconvenient and frustrating times. Hang on in there!
Still... (hands over official prize for reaching CD50)

tfls yep, starting to be busy around here. grin

This time, we both know what the deal is, and we have time and leisure, and are going about it in a rather relaxed way - without missing any important opportunities. Sorry to hear that you are so knackered. I hope your monitor will give you better clues this time round - then one strategic event of BD could have more success than all of last cycle's efforts. That should be manageable even with PILs in the house... (don't envy you that! A whole month? Why are they coming to stay for such a long time?)

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD50
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD39
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD35
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD35
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD30/31
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD27
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD25
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD16
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD15
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD14
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD8
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD7

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
tigerbear
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September

Hello all,
LittleoneMum and Amyboo - I would love to go on the bus / grads threads, but am not feeling it is very real yet.
DH was pleased last night, but doesn't really believe it is true from the home tests, and I'm inclined to agree. I'm trying not to get too excited just yet. Have tried making an appointment at the EPU, but no-one ever picks up the phone.

Can anyone tell me exactly what happens when you go for an appt at the EPU? What do they do?

Gday ladies

All well in Cheepz land today, work is quiet, home is in order, passed up on bd last night but dh and I are trying to learn french so tonight is french night so I am thinking good food, maybe a little wine and some badly spoken french and we might be away.

lee what tfls said - its not that you are NTTC more WTTC (waiting) so stay put for goodness sake.

apples bravo {cheepz plays fanfare} 50 days is quite an achievement.

Tuesday list

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 cycle WTF CD50
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD39
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD35
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD35
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD30/31
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD27
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD25
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD16
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD15
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD14
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD8
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD7

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September
Tigerbear BFP 8th September

Oh yeah, I understand some of you have had the NERVE to get pregnant while I am still in wtf land. Talk about selfish!!

Well, I am now officially on CD50 after ERPC. Very strange. When AF does arrive I imagine it will be appalling..

Weirdly, I think will there might be a LOT of er, stuff to come out. I mean, when I became pregnant before mc, I was just under 8 stone, with about 6pc body fat (don't know what that means, but on scales - which are for Dh by the way because he needs to loss some weight). Anyway, today I am 8 stone 1, and I appear to have a body fat thing of 23per cent. That cannot be right. In the last 50 days I have had 10 days of v v slight spotting, well not even spotting really.

I am FREAK woman.

Whooo hoooo another 3 grads. That's brilliant news LittleOneMum, Tiger and Becky. Huge congrats to you all. Last time I didn't post for a while there was an outbreak of BFPs. Must post less often!

Lee you've got to stay on the crazy board with us! You are our very special honorary NTTC member smile

. Sorry to hear about the troubles with DH - hopefull it will mean he tries to resolve things properly, for good. You must have felt so lonely when he of all people turned on you. Also sorry you don't have much family support and I'm a bit sad

at your mother/SILs. If you live anywhere nears Bucks, I'll be round with that lasagne....

apples - has AF finally made an appearance?? I didn't think anyone could beat meita. I feel a bit off moaning about my short cycle compared to the epic waits you and meita have put up with.

Thanks for the tip-off about the Time Traveller's Wife viv - would rather avoid that for now.

meita - you should be coming up to the buzy time? I don't think I've got the energy after last month's epic attempt (I knew the blasted monitor was probably wrong but when it said High I didn't want to miss a chance....)

Got my PIL arriving tomorrow for a month. They are absolutely lovely but not brilliant timing as we are both manic with work and absolutely knackered. Their visit means we can't take a holiday until the end of the year. Drat. Also means frantic late night cleaning of our pigsty house tonight.

Here it is www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/812791-Totally-39-s-GRADS-lets-handhold-thru-this

I'd love to, but I can't find it... can you link it?

Come and join our Totally grads thread - far less scary than joining a bus

Tiger, HURRAY!!!!!!!! I am so delighted - when you are ready, shall we join the 'Due in May' antenatal thread (I've been too nervous yet)?

Mrs Rigby - I'm sorry sad

. *Tries to pass on some patience dust as well as baby dust*

thanks again all. had a good talk with dh and he has agreed to phone this morning about stress management counselling..

Cant believe we've three grads in such a short space of time grin

Am sending DD to nursery today so i can get a rest.. she has a cold but i think she'll survive.. hmm

Anyway on a more positive note than concentrating on men are from mars - ive decided to join a local gym. Am still a stone heavier than when I got pregnant with DD three years ago so have decided that the upside of having to wait to get preg would be to be in better shape. (am size 16-18) so could well do with getting rid of a stone or ten wink

and it would be nice to have some time to myself..

What up people at the top of the list?!

Mrs R - tell us of your most recent exploits!

And thanks everyone for letting me stay here when i'm the only one NTTC!

Just popping on to see how everyone's getting one. Great news about the BFPs! Congrats to tiger, becky and littleonemum.

So sorry to hear about the arguments with DH lee. Hope things get better soon.

tiger soooo happy - thats three for three - soon the grads list will be longer than the ttc list - mind you this is one thread where we don't get excited about new recruits so thats a great thing

mrsr might be pushing my luck to go two for two in terms of nights in a row, but have had cramping all day so think might have ov'd today so one tomorrow might be on the cards just to be sure and last night would definitely be close enough if I ov'd today (specially since i spent all night with a cushion under my butt so it didn't all run down hill - tmi i know)

lee sometimes a really good bust up is just what it takes to clear the air and get the issues on the table. sorry to hear you don't have good support from your family - it makes such a difference to me - and especially when you have a dh who doesn't deal well with emotional stuff and stresses about work and other thigns alot ... from your posts and I may just be guessing you sound alot like me - you are a coper, you deal with everything in the house the kid, work and everything and your dh is used to having you be fit and well and on emotionally top of things - my dh is terrible when i am sick - its like a massive inconvenience for me to be not doing all the stuff i just cope with normally, or if I cry and am not dealing with something he doesn't like it because he is used to me being totally together. Try and be strong and recognise that you have it within you to deal with this too. Sounds like hes not giving you anywhere near the support you want - but I can tell you you don't need it. You have it all within yourself to get through this. I just know it. Hope you get a good night. xx

tiger congrats!!! get thee to an epu in the next week or so and they'll be able to confirm things too! delighted for you grin

Evening everyone.
Sorry to hear you're having problems with your DH LeeWT - in fact, WHAT is going on with the menfolk right now - all of us seem to be having DH arguments / disagreements.
What Cheepz said was spot on - sometimes it's just the sheer differences between men and women, which are shown in all their glory, when it comes to this TTC / MC / PG lark.

Well, you may not be surprised to know that I just could not wait until tomorrow, and ended up doing the Clearblue test this evening - it says 2-3 weeks pg!!!!!!!

I'm starting to believe it might be real, but still not sure. DH is pleased, however isn't getting too excited (he wants to get an 'official' positive from me going to the Doctor or hospital to get checked, as I don't think he trusts the home tests). I'm trying not to get too excited, but it's hard not to!

Sprinkling the baby dust far and wide to you all!

thanks everyone.. Zayja you summed it up so right that when that happens there is no stable ground and nowhere to go.

well dh and i have somewhat resolved things. i have been at him for YEARS to go to stress management counselling as anything from breaking a cup can set him off. i explained to him that today was unforgiveable and he has to stop turning on me everytime things get stressful instead of fighting things together. he agreed.. for now..

re our families .. useless wouldnt be the word. DH has three sisters and his widowed dad. none of them drive, they are all incredibly self centred and even one of them offered to mind dd on sunday but then text saying she had made other plans. there is no getting through to them. my mum is just not like other mums. she loves me but has never put me no 1 and i dont know why i'm surprised or hurt at times like this when she doesnt come through for me.

I DREAM of mothers who come over and cook a lasagne and take the baby for a couple of hours.. mothers who jump in their car the minute they hear of something wrong so they can help. in fact if i could abduct someone elses mother i would blush

thanks again everyone for the support and mrs rigby, i have several people you could cheerfully stab for me right now!!

Oh Lee, I feel so awful for you. I know I depend on my dh b/c he is the closest to me, but when he turns or snaps, it's like I have NO stable ground. You need somebody to be taking care of you and dd right now! Any chance you can call in family, yours or his, even though they live elsewhere? That would take some of the load off you and dh. And with others around, dh would be less likely to snap at you.
Well you're not alone, your MN friends are here. Keep posting as needed and I hope you find some comfort, resolve your fight and get some friends and family to help! {{{big hugs}}}

Well meita, I am expecting a least a little longer cycle b/c of just ovulating last weekend. GP says AF should start 10-14d post ov. OF COURSE, fingers crossed for BFP accompanied by 9mos with no AF. I must say though, that I don't feel pg this mo. Oh well!

Evening

littleonemum congratulations envy

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cheepz it's definately worth another go, as you may not have ovulated on CD14 or if you did, you could still be fertile and don't forget sperm can survive in the uterus for up to 5 days smile

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leewt the mc threads aren't fun shock

. I find screaming back at my DH helps. Just don't let your DH get to you, ignore him, I find that also helps. A knife through his chest should also help.

vivclicquot sounds positive, my fingers are crossed for you.

meita I think you've broken my record for the longest post on a thread grin

. Yes, I suffer from PCOS, currently on metformin 850mg twice a day - not that it's making any difference angry

. Looks like I'll be paying the gynaecologist a visit soon for some clomid.

zayja never seen Forget Paris.

Sorry, I'm pissed off that I'm on CD38, DH is getting to me and I'm starting to get fed up with everyone else getting pregnant.

I could kill, anyone want to hire me?

tigerbear your pregnant smile

Littleonemum - that's great news!

Lee - so sorry that you are having problems with DH. It just isn't the same for the men and I'm finding that nobody at all understands how I feel unless they have been through a m/c themselves. You are doing exceptionally well at holding it all together, hang in there.

I have updated the list as my stats had gone wonky. Current AF is dreadful, more like the m/c than a period. I just want it to be over.

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD49
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD38
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD34
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD34
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD29/30
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD26
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD24
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD15
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD14
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD13
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD7
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD6

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September

Cheepz tha k you so much the tears just rolled down my face when I realised I wasn't alone reading your post. Just after I wrote my last post dh and I had the worst fight I think we've ever had. He was shouting and I was screaming and crying an he said the most awful things. He said I needed to leave the house until I could cope and that I was a nightmare to live with and there wasn't another man would be able to cope with it. I tried to tell him that the only times I've been upset, down or difficult are when he snaps at me. My friends and (useless) family live in another city completely and my best friend here is away on hols I feel so alone. I swear on dd's life I have been so strong following this mc but all he cares about is that he has work to do and he can't cope with stress.. I only have him so when he turns on me I can't do it. And I'm so angry he has set me back emotionally and physically - I was doing so well- I am now nauseous and the cramps are back and that's pure stress.

Thanks for listening girls, my friends love dh so dearly I couldn't tell them he's being like this..

lee, sorry to hear you're having a rough time with dh. that's so hard, on top of everything. I wish we could do more for you.

zayja are you expecting a longer-than-usual cycle then? Fingers crossed for you!

viv oh, I've been wanting to go see that film. Like you, I read the book a few years ago (loved it!), had forgotten about the MC too. Will think about it again. Thanks for the hint. How are you otherwise?

Has anyone seen "My sister's keeper"? The topic of the film interests me. It's about a girl who was conceived in order to provide donor tissue for her sick older sister. Lots of complicated ethical conundrums and morality issues here.

Hi all

leewt - I'm so sorry you're finding it hard - sometimes life is really shit. And I wish I could make things better... My only suggestion is to actually ask people to help you guys out with practical stuff - sometimes people don't want to assume that you need help/ don't know what would be helpful - but would love to help out if they knew it actually was helpful, iyswim. Big big hugs.

little and becky - fantastic news! I'm excited for you both. I hope you can enjoy being pg - tho I know it must be a bit scary too.

Have update list as mine was a day out. DH and I have been 'working at home' today grin

My lunch breaks aren't usually that good grin

!

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD49
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD39
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD38
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD34
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD34
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD29/30
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD26
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD24
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD15
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD14
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD13
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD6

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September

Lee

sympathise soooo much - my dh finds it so hard to swithc off from work and feels the pressure acutely, he would far rather let me down than work, also when we rowed the other night it was because he was wanting to finish planning the stag night for which he is best man and write his speech which i know is stressing him but not something one would expext might be prioritised over making a baby for example.

I think one of the struggles in this situatioin is post mc with the gireving and emotional rollercoaster it is so much greater for the woman than most people can comprehend - even the dh, and they are often unable, uwilling or unavailble to provide the emotional support - they would rather find a solution that support through the experience of the problem.

I have told my dh he needs to watch his tone, but mostly I also rarely now rely on him for emotional support, if I have something I want to talk through that I know he wills truggle with - even if I would rather it was him I will talk to my Mum, a friend or you guys - anyone rather than try and lean on him and find he either collapses underneath me or worse throws something back at me that is harder to deal with in an angry or aggressive manner - I think sometimes he doesn't even know he is doing it - he is just being short because he is focussed on other priorities and I need him to be focussed on me and he just doesn't want to deal with the emotion

I now use another support network for things I know he will deal with badly, and also make sure that when we are going to have a conversation about something contentious it is in a pub or restaurant so we are away from the distractions of home and ds and he cant go off and work on the computer!

We are all here for you hon, so lean on us if you need to just unload, I think alot of men struggle and I don't suppose with your dh it represents a problem in your relationship - more a proboem that many couples face because of the differences between men and women

<cheepz relises she has gone all agony aunt and shuts up blush

Hi girls hope you won't mind me giving out about my dh since some other dh's are in doghouse too. He has been fantastic through the sickness of the pregnancy and the hospital bit of the mc but our dd is sick and he's under s bit of pressure with looming after us both.. He has work to do and can't do it and tbh that's always a bone of contention because he can't compartmentalise or switch off.

Hence for the last three days he has eaten the face off me for no other reason than he's stressed and wants to work. He's so angry and barely looks at me. And while I'm being strong and trying to be philosophical I cannot cannot cope with him doing this. If I ask him not to snap he says he's doing so much and how ungrateful I am. The fact of the matter is neither of or families has turned up or done anything and dh and I are exhausted and grieving and now killing eah other.

I feel really strong til he turns on me and then I lose all my composure. Any suggestions? Feel so down about it.. :-(

oh and Tiger def go to epu there are loads reasons for bleeding not all with bad endings xxx

CONGRATULATIONS LittleoneMum - that is really fantastic news!!! Very happy for you. Thanks for thinking of me, when you have so much to be thinking about too! I think it's totally natural to be cautious, but try to enjoy it too!

Thanks also for the kind comments from everyone else.
It has definitely been an roller coaster over the past week - the bleeding stopped over the weekend, however I've just had some very light spotting today

I was going to be so good, and wait until tomorrow to do (yet another!) test, but caved in earlier - bought a twin pack of Superdrug own brand, and a twin pack of Clearblue Digital!! And did one of the Superdrug ones! It still says positive, and the line was quite strong, but not sure what to believe anymore. I'm going to do the Clearblue digital tomorrow morning, as then it will have been a week since I did the very first test. If it says 2-3 weeks I will feel more hopeful, however if it still says 1-2 weeks, I'll know things aren't as they should be, and will go to get checked out at the EPA.

Actually, speaking of films, can I advise that none of you go and see The Time Traveller's Wife?

I went last week having read the book two or three years ago and I had completely forgotten that the female lead experiences a miscarriage*

Cue me sobbing throughout the middle 45 minutes of the film. blush

* Sorry if this is a spoiler - I promise it's not that much of one!

Wow! Exciting news littleonemum and becky - that's wonderful. Hoping for more BFPs yet this month.

Things are getting busy for me, so I may not be able to check in as much, but I'll certainly try. You ladies are too lovely to part with for too long. Also, there's bound to be more good news with each passing week.

I haven't POAS in a week now, starting to miss it, but I know if there's any chance of a BFP, it won't be 'til next weekend. Smack dab in the middle of the TWW!

Anyone ever seen the movie Forget Paris? A friend (who teaches film and TV production)recently recommended it ot me. I think it's a romance, but the couple have a hard time conceiving - she said anyone going through that can really relate.

Well, back to work now

lots to do!

Hi Ladies - hope you're all ok. Haven't caught up in a while so have just read becky and Little's news - congrats that's fantastic grin

Lee have been thinking of you ALOT - glad to hear that you're being philosophical about it and do hope that your nearest and dearest are helping you through.

I'm still plodding along stressing about everything (what's new?)Or in my case - the lack of everything (my boobs only really hurt because I've been prodding them so much to see if they hurt). Am also desparing at NHS and will be forking out for private scans angry

. I know I've said it all along but I really don't feel like a graduate yet.

It's true that MC's take away the innocence.

Hope you're all doing ok with 2ww, BDing etc. Am thinking of you all - you're so much easier to "talk" to than DH and I daren't tell anyone else yet!

Oops sorry, small mistake there:
(still Monday)

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD49
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD39
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD38
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD34
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD34
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD29/30
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD26
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD24
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD15
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD13
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD13
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 2 CD6

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September

btw TFLS at the rate you're going, you'll end up "overtaking" me soon. We really should start paying some researchers to come up with that cycle-day sharing programme.

Hello ladies!

It's been a while... I've been reading along but didn't have the leisure to sit down and write. MIL has been here for the weekend...

First of all, big WOWs and congratulations and happy hugs to becky and Little !!! I'm so happy for you, and reading your news makes me happy for myself too, as it reminds me that it will happen for me too, some day. So I'm anxiously awaiting more good news from both of you - do keep us posted on any further BFPs and so on! (Particularly chuffed about becky graduating although you had already anounced to be stealing my place at the bottom of the list wink

keep us updated on the four-magpies-twin-boys front, will you?)(oh, and little - I don't think I've properly said hello to you yet - anyway, hi and welcome here, it is a good place to be as you have probably already found out - although I'm sorry for the reason that leads us here. DPs and DHs can be quite difficult in the post-MC time. I'm sorry yours is being no exception! Did you tell him to shut up? How did he react to the BFP? I hope you don't mind me shifting you to the graduates list.)

Second, Lee I just want to tell you that you have been in my thoughts. I'm glad you are still hanging about here a bit. It's amazing how calm you appear to be about it all; isn't it true that the MC experience doesn't just make us lose our innocence, but (after the worst pain and sadness and rage is over) it does also make us a little bit more wise? Your story made me, once again, put things into perspective. Btw, has it been confirmed to be/have been molar pg now? Or are you still waiting for results? Either way, I'm truly so sorry that this has happened to you.

tiger it sounds like you have had a very rollercoaster-type of emotional week... hang on in there. Bleeding could be anything - it happens in healthy pregnancies. But more usually it is a sign that something is going wrong. If I were you I would try not to get my hopes up too much for that test you will be doing soon. But I know what it feels like, that time when your rational mind and your emotional feelings just won't agree. So I am hoping for you that your test will show a surprise BFP and all will be well! And if not, please never tell yourself you don't have the right to be sad! However short it was, you were pregnant, and losing that is sad, very sad. You have EVERY right! I had only known for a week that I was pg, when I MCed... but still I was shattered and blown to bits like I have rarely experienced anything before.

apples the waiting is baaaaad... isn't it just. Hang on in there. AF will arrive, sometime. Or, wait a moment - is there any chance you are pg? Anyway, for you I'd gladly give up my place at the bottom of the list. I remember too well the relief when AF finally arrived. I'm thinking of you.

zayja hmmm any news? I'm hoping your cycle prooves to be longer than usual this time. Perhaps even much longer. Such as, 9 months or so? wink

tfls oh bugger - a second wtf cycle, that's really not very fair. At least they're unusually short, not unusually long, iyswim? I'll grant you the position at the bottom if you wish. I'd be all up for a "cycle-day share" programme - you'd be very welcome to have some of mine!
Anyway, sorry to hear that AF got you, and so unexpectedly too, and that you've been having a rough time. Hang on in there. All good things come in threes - third cycle post MC will be it for you. Hey, it's already CD6 for you - activity time is coming up soon!

cheepz well, CD 16 is about when I start getting serious about the BD - but that's given my longish cycles. If you still have the CM, I'd not hesitate! I'm sorry to hear your DH has been, umm, unaccommodating. That's crap. Just when you get your head around to being in a more relaxed mode, more sage about it all... it doesn't really work when you miss whole cycles due to lacking BD activity. Still, it only takes once. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.

chamois any news?
waiting being busy? upstairs, I mean?

mrsrigby you mentioned having PCOS, do I remember that right? Are you taking any meds for it?

everyone sorry if I've forgotten anyone. It has been a lot to catch up on!

Monday's list (revised for TFLS):

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD49
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD39
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD38
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD34
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD34
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD29/30
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD26
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD24
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD15
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD13
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD13
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD6

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September

Hi ladies

Hope you're all well and a big hurrah for littleonemum What brilliant news.

I'm on day 26 of my cycle and starting to get nervous about getting AF. Have been getting crampy twinges since Friday, but have also been feeling nauseous on and off, so am hoping it's good news rather than bad.

On the plus side, my hen do was totally and utterly brilliant (and ever so slightly drunken). grin

Love to all x

Lee I am really crossing my fingers for you too.

Cheepz I think that as long as you do it on the right day... !

LITTLEONEMUM congrats.. i know its hard to be happy but if you look back at mine and stressy's posts around this time you can see we were both panicked and tearful instead of excited..

after a couple of days tho i just thought i have to try and be happy and positive for this bean coz its not his/her fault about what happened. and i know that i had a bad experience but every bean deserves your hope and love.

hope thats ok to say but i was talking to dh last night about hopefully being allowed by the drs to try again in 6 months and really that if i do get pregnant again even with two mcs under my belt that i've learned that you cant control things and you cant protect yourself from the process you just have to go with it..

And yes i'm still hanging about here a bit, you guys are wayyyy more fun than the miscarriage boards wink

good luck littleonemum and tiger

xxx

PS - its good news for me too that you don't bd very often but still made a bean - i think last night was our only shot at it for this month so if i do get pg dating it will be easy ;)

does anyone think its worth another go cd15/16?

LittleOneMum thats brilliant news - very exciting, another grad - thats 2 this month so far!!

Fingers and toes crossed for you, as you say early days and you are bound to be anxious having only just had the mc but theres no reason to think that you are any more likely to have any problems or have that happen again just because it has happened so quic grin

Oh and Cheepz we rowed about how little we BD as well, with DH saying 'You can't really want another baby if you're not BDing more'... Men! I totally sympathise.

Tiger, I am keeping my fingers crossed for you SO much. I even lay in bed last night and wondered how you were!

Well, things are very odd this end. Had a massive fight with DH last night (Tiger, sounded just like yours) - he started it with the 'well, you've been very difficult to live with this month' type comments. AAARGH! I've just had a MC, you idiot... Of course I've been hard to live with.

and then, this morning, having concluded that a 35 day cycle is weird even for me, I tested again and yes, BFP! I can't honestly believe it, as I haven't had my AF since the MC... Jesus.

Having MCed last month I am far from getting excited though...

Monday's list:

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD49
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD39
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD38
LittleOneMum TTC#2 UCL 33 cycle 0 CD35
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD34
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD34
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD29/30
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD29
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD26
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD24
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD15
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD13
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD13

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September

tigerbear it sounds positive that your no longer bleeding and have pregnancy symptoms, though I know that can still happen after a mc sad

, but I have my fingers crossed for you. Really hope you still get a positive/pregnant/two lines when you test envy

.

applesaretheonlyfruit prepare to have your record broken, I'm on CD38 at the moment. When you get your period in the next couple of days, I'll still be waiting for mine and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting...

I really hope everyone has either got a period or BFP or is ovulating.

And not stuck in no mans land like me, on CD38 (have I mentioned I'm on CD38 and no period or BFP) with no hope in sight and not a clue as to what is going on.

Aarghhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaa angry

I have noted, by, you know, casually going back through posts, that Meita came to the end of her post mc WTF cycle at CD46.. I am still going at CD 49 on Monday. That means, well, firstly, I WIN, but secondly I didn't want to win this..

Thanks Cheepz - had a nice weekend. The bleeding hasn't come back, which is good. Not sure if I'm imagining it, but my boobs feel a bit sore and am feeling tired all of the time... Only a day to go, then I can test again.

well we got one in the bag - and it was a corker. have decided to make a concerted effort to make bd not be all about baby and abit more about dancing, we'll see. Have been feeling crampy today so thats good but not so much ewcm so not sure

em, trixel, barrenbrook and tfls - news please!

chamo, littleonemum -- you holding up alright at the top there with mrsr and apples who we know are not alright wink

zayja - not heard from you for a while, hope things are going ok

tiger - hope you had an ok weekend too and are not stressing too much

xx night all

cheepz your not alone, my DH and I also had an argument, about his parents and DS going into nursery. We never bd either angry

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Supposed to have sex tonight, but considering he's started drinking whisky (apparentely only the Irish and the Americans spell it as whiskey), I can't see it happening.

We'll see...

Evening

Thought I'd just update the list.

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD48
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD38
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD37
LittleOneMum TTC#2, UCL 33, cycle 0, CD34
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD33
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD33
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD28/29
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD28
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD25
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD23
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD14
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD12
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD12

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78 BFP 4th September

i think there should be

we never did the bd last night - had a row about how little we bd instead .... nice sad

apples i think there should be

...if I get to CD50 is there some sort of prize?

evenin' ladies, ewll its cd 13 so i really have to try and get some bd done tonight, dh is at least home but sometimes it seems so contrived to initiate it even though its mostly me that does, sometimes wish he would be badgering me more for it then i could make it less obvious when we need to do the do, but sometimes i wonder if he actually wants to do it at all?! i think the whole baby making factor is abit of a turn off for him! makes it very awkward, but he was out the last two nights and ideally i would like to go for today AND tomorrow.... but minimum today and monday - have some cramps so likely ovulating - although had more ewcm on 9th and 10th days and since then less so am wondering if i ovulated very early and missed it! baffling.

Anyway have done the list and moved becky78 to grads (still smiling about that) and wondering what the other ladies at the top end of the table are doing (not those in the wtf cycle obviously because none has a clue whats going on there!)

anyway, loose ends to tie up then lingerie time - to make it abundantly clear what the deal is!

Saturday's list:
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD47
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD37
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD36
LittleOneMum TTC#2, UCL 33, cycle 0, CD33
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD32
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD32
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD27/28
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD27
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD24
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD22
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD13
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD11
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD11

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August
becky78

Not a whole lot to say this evening - CD36 angry

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I keep thinking of trying those ovulation tests, but they say on the packet that they're not suitable for women with PCOS.

Working my way through yet another box of chocolates whilst feeling sorry for myself sad

congrats becky that is awesome news....looking forward to hearing all about your knicker checking on totally's grads... smile

i really hope that is the start of a landslide of BFP's wink

Thanks lee, I was so sorry to hear your news tho. Take care of yourself and as the others have said I am genuinely thinking of you all the time. Make sure you keep dropping in to let us know how you are doing x

Congrats Becky!! Whoop whoop over the totallys grads for you grin

well as for me I'm home and alive and although I'm scared of the whole molar preg thing I'm taking one day at a time. Thanks to everyone who has been thinking of me and not forgetting me. Apples and cheepz (and so many others) I know you truly understand and that's such an important thing. It's upsetting knowing I can't ttc for so long as I really enjoyed the comradery here and of course mrs rigbys TMIs which I LOVE reading..

Loads of babydust to you all xxxxxx

woooooo woooo bravo becky78 thats another for the grads list. So pleased for you (only a little envy

- not like mrsr!!)

thats brilliant news - its so good to have at least one person grad each month and this month looking at the list there could be more

mrsr look on the bright side - at least your not sleeping in the wet patch tonight! and you managed to get your dh to do the decent thing and perform - which is more than can be said for my dh at the moment - hes not home often enough for us to have a quickie before dinner - and after as you say were just too full and lazy - so far this month no bd for cheepz - i am going to have to jump hiim this weekend as its cd 12 so maybe tonight and sunday?

tigerbear i don't think dh's get it, mine didn't, they are not invested as much at this stage, haven't thought through all the things that are going to happen - its not their body that changes, its not them thinking about the pregnancy, due date, labour, maternity leave, timing for work, etc etc so they don't really understand why its such a big deal - like they say 'its ok we can try again' its that classic male need to always have a solution, can't just be supportive and sad, have to find a way to make it alright - or ignore it and hope it goes away

anyway big woot woots to becky78

Well done becky78

that is great news!!

*MrsRigby (and Mr Rigby)* - you just gave me my first laugh out loud moment of the week - thanks!

becky78 congratulations. I'm so happy for you envy

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Hopefully your BFP will be the first of many.

OMG BFP!!! Was really not expecting it as seriously no symptoms at all and last time I knew straight away (but as DH keeps pointing out, look how that one ended up

) so maybe lack of symptoms is good. Really strong line though on a clear blue (not digital though). OMG OMG!! TFLS has freaked me out a bit with the whole magpies = twins thing though

Fingers crossed for everyone else this month.

Now I start the worrying about what might go wwrong this time bit but at least we have cleared the first hurdle!

Have a great weekend all

)

DH and I have just had sex smile

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A little early I know, but DH really wanted it - that and the fact that he wants to stuff his face with pizza and will be too tired and full later. He tells me he is a very considerate lover, he warmed the bed (I should point out that he washed the bedding and put clean on), started himself off whilst I was getting a bath so to quicken the whole process and then we had sex on his side of the bed so that I didn't have to lie in the wet patch tonight grin

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Unfortunately, due to his making me laugh (I forgot how funny he used to be) I had the hiccups the whole way through. Funnily enough though, 4 minutes later after he had finished, they had gone.

And then he told me a joke...and it all dribbled out angry

.

In case your wondering.

What's brown and sticky. A stick.

Anyway.

thefatladyscreams you are not alone, I'm also having a WTF cycle angry

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becky78 tell, tell - are you? I've got my fingers crossed.

OK, am 3 days late, I'm never late, even since mc have had two full 28 day cycles, but have no pg symptoms at all so have held off testing but cannot wait any more. But how typical, haven't had much to drink today so normally need the loo as soon as I get in the door from work but today nothing. Am drinking glasses of squash and I will test in half an hour, I will keep you informed...

Afternoon everyone.
Oh fatlady sorry you had to listen to pg talk when you really didn't want to. It's true that when you really want to get pg, EVERYONE else seems to be!

LittleoneMum - I'm feeling much more positive about things this afternoon, thanks. Nothing much has changed - still bleeding (but no cramps). Had an argument with DH this morning, where I pretty much accused him of not being interested / not caring what was happening. He went out last night, and I was upset he hadn't come home earlier or called me throughout the day yesterday to ask how I was. I had called him, and he had asked how my day was going, but imo not the same thing as asking 'how are you feeling', ifyswim? When he came in last night I was in bed but still awake and didn't really speak to him, and he knew this morning I was really upset. When I explained why, he said he wasn't a mind reader, and that I'd seemed fine when he went to work yesterday morning (to be fair, I was ok then, but as you ladies know, one minute you can be fine, and the next in tears). Anyway, we made up, he came home at lunch time to see how I was, and we're ok now!

How is everyone else's DH coping with it all?
It must be quite odd for them, as although they want it to happen too and are disappointed if it doesn't, it's not quite the same is it? Especially as we are all on a hormone roller coaster!

Hi everybody

Well I won't be one of the BFPs as I'm having another WTF is going on cycle (cheepz you should have trademarked that phrase!)

AF arrived Wednesday (not due til Monday) so very strange. I was always a very regular 28 day girl. meita - maybe we should do a cycle share and even each over out! My temps have been all over the place (clinically dead in places I suspect they went so low hmm

). I don't think I ovulated yet again this month. But the Clearblue Monitor gave me 18 days of Highs in a row until I gave up testing (including when AF had arrived). DH and I were getting knackered.

Went to hairdressers to cheer myself up and hairdresser announced her pregnancy (exactly the same week as I would have been). Hence 2 hours sitting there listening to pregnancy talk. Was surprised how upset I was later. Almost burst into tears in the shopping centre but felt if I started to cry I would never stop. I guess the grief comes back and bites you on the bum at times.

Anyway sorry for the self indulgent rant. Lovely to be back here and catching up with you all. And welcome barrenbrook*.

*zayja - yippeee re the ovulation. That's great news.

Becky - was it 4 magpies or 4 pairs of magpies? I'm thinking of that old song.... 3 for a girl, 4 for a boy. Maybe it means twin boys grin

lee if you're reading this, you've been in my thoughts. I hope you are as OK as you possibly can be. Just take really good care of yourself and take one day at a time. The grey will ease.

Have a good weekend everyone. We've got friends coming to stay and the house is a pigsty. Must finish work and then muster a massive clean-up/shopping mission. Then have PILs arriving on Wednesday for a month. Yikes.

leewt, I just read your news and I am so sorry.

Big hugs to you, and as meita said, we're here for you to moan to if needed.

Welcome littleonemum

Just looked at the list, about half are due or past due for AF - could be a potential landslide of BFPs!

Any news, Tiger? Have been thinking of you a lot. It must be awful not knowing. I knew from the first day really and that kept me sane.

Morning. Still no period angry

. I'm giving it until CD50 and then I'm going the doctors.

Friday's list:
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD46
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD38
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD35
LittleOneMum TTC#2, UCL 33, cycle 0, CD32
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD31
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD31
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD31
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD26/27
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD26
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD23
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD21
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD12
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD10
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD10

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

Hi everyone,

I have updated stats for Thursday. I am going a bits nuts wondering where period could be post 45 after ERPC.

Meita thanks for the info on the website. It made me realise that the crazy beingpregnantstraightawayorIwoulddiefeeling was normal and that, actually, my first BFN after mmc was only, now, 27 days ago, so first period should be this weekend. Obviously, if that doesn't happen I will go off the deep end.

I have been thinking about Lee and I wish I could brush off some of the sadness for her, even just a couple of flakes. But she should know, when she lies in bed at night thinking she is alone with the loss, that actually, last night, I was thinking about her and hoping she was, not okay, because she will be, but wishing her strength.

Have been occupying myself trying to clear up my son's room and toy mess. Went slightly over the top and got clear boxes and labels and now every toy has a DESIGNATED box and place. Bit OTT, but needs must.

Thursday:
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD45
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD37
LittleOneMum TTC#2, UCL 33, cycle 0, CD31
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD30
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD30
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD30
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD2526
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD25
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+23
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD22
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD20
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD11
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD9
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD9

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

That's it, I've decided I'm going to buy some shares in Clearblue.

DH is looking into it as we speak, he loves a good investment.

We already have shares in Cadbury's, sometimes I think that it's me alone keeping them in business!

These tests are evil! They're just there to tempt us!!

Evening.

tigerbear stop beating yourself up. I know I'm not pregnant and yet I still waste money on Clearblue pregnancy tests (with conception indicator). I mean seriously, what is going through my head. If I was in your position I'd probably be doing a test every hour on the hour blush

i had thought of 'sexting' which i heard about on the radio last month, seems like it might be an option - unless he left his phone on the table and a firend pics it up .... blush

Too late Cheepz, I bought two more earlier, and did one of them! Exactly the same result as yesterday of course!!! I'm looking for magical answers from the test stick!
blush

that your DH is out - can't you send him an, ahem, racy text? grin

tiger it is a tough one as more tests right now would be a waste of money!! If they came up as BFP you would still be none the wiser.

Try and hang in there until next week.

Was going to seduce dh tonight but he has gone to the pub. Great.and its not like I can say but honey come home - I fancied a shag as he would wrongly assume it is because I am ovulating and that's the only reason!!

Never used to be this hard to get laid!

Thanks littleonemum and Fatlady.
I REALLY wish I hadn't done the test now. I was just saying to my Mum that if I hadn't done them, I would have just thought this was my normal period, as it's due now anyway.
But still the temptation to go and buy more tests is huge!

Will post properly when I've more time (sory in a rush for the last few days) but just seen Lee's news.

Lee I'm gutted for you. That's so shit. It's just so unfair and sad. Sending you loads of love sweetie.

tigerbear - I've read your posts really quickly so apologies if I've missed something. But I'd be tempted (naughty I know given you've seen your GP) to contact your nearest EPAU over the phone and pretend I hadn't seen my doctor and ask them for advice. Fingers crossed for you.

Oh, Tiger

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My fingers are still crossed for you though. When we conceived DS, I bled lightly for a couple of days (which I thought was my AF) but then it stopped and I was still pregnant. Keep us posted.

But if it is a MC, then lots of hugs. It's these bloody sensitive tests, you know. If they didn't exist you'd be none the wiser about having been pg for a while...

Much love x

Hmm, think I spoke to soon - the bleeding is back again!

LittleoneMum - thanks. The bleeding seems lighter today, and no cramps, so will have to wait and see.

cheepz sperm can wait around for the egg for about 5 days.

So if you have sex tonight, you could still get pregnant grin

so many ladies at the top of the list with bid numbers for CD's - surely some news soon - surely?!

Morning - am warming up for bd - do we think day 11 too early?

'Morning!

Oh, bad sleepers... Mrs. R, your post made me laugh - exactly like my DS who also wakes at midnight with the cry of "Want Milky!" -at the grand old age of 2 in a few days.

Tiger I am keeping my fingers crossed for you. Sorry if TMI, but my bleeding was light for the first day or two and then proper period heavy after that. Hoping for you lots.

Morning, her's Thursday's list:

Apples TTC#3 UCL28 cycle ? CD45
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle ? CD37
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 1 CD34
LittleOneMum TTC#2 UCL33 cycle 0 CD31
becky78 TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 3 CD30
em22 TTC#? UCL28 cycle 3 CD30
trixel TTC#3 UCL28-35 cycle 7 CD30
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD26
TFLS TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 1 CD25
Zayja TTC#1 UCL24-27 cycle 4 CD22
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD20
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL27-28 cycle 1 CD11
Waiting TTC#1 UCL26-33 cycle 1 CD9
Meita TTC#1 UCL30-34 cycle 1 CD9

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

oh mrs r do you have a lousy sleeper too? mines 27 months and still either night waking or early riser - both of which are crap scenarios

bed for me too though, night all

Cheepz- yes, still bleeding (only started at about 6pm yesterday) - it's quite dark, almost black (sorry if TMI!) and quite light in flow. I have light cramps.

I'm off to bed, not that I know why - DS will wake up at midnight wanting milky.

Why do I want another???

Just updating my stats.

Wednesday:
Apples TTC#3 UCL28 cycle ? CD44
Chamois TTC#1 UCL? cycle ? CD36
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL? cycle 1 CD33
LittleOneMum TTC#2 UCL33 cycle 0 CD30
becky78 TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 3 CD29
em22 TTC#? UCL28 cycle 3 CD29
trixel TTC#3 UCL28-35 cycle 7 CD29
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD25
TFLS TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 1 CD24
Zayja TTC#1 UCL24-27 cycle 4 CD21
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD19
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL27-28 cycle 1 CD10
Waiting TTC#1 UCL26-33 cycle 1 CD8
Meita TTC#1 UCL30-34 cycle 1 CD8

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

tigerbear are you still bleeding (if not to personal a question? and how heavy? you could definitely have an idea from that - although I know some people bleed heavily in preganancy its unusual.

fingers crossed for you but i think its smart not to be too contemplate the worst. so tough. thinking of you

Thanks for the support everyone.
It's going to be very difficult waiting for a week!

Following a mc hCG (the pregnancy hormone) takes around 19 days to dissapear.

That said, this can vary based on how high the hCG is/was at the time of mc.

IF you have mc the hCG will probably have dissapeared in about a week, so your doctor was right telling you to test again in a week.

So if you still get a positive next week, congratulations mummy.

And in case anyone is wondering I work in a hospital, though as a secretary!!!

Welcome littleonemum smile

Also tigerbear it doesn't matter how far along you were, you have every right to feel sad, angry etc.

Besides it's not easy to get a false positive. Your doctor is a quack.

From what I know false positives generally happen when you've tested too soon after a failed pregnancy or whilst taking injectable fertility drugs.

Don't give up yet.

tiger not for too long if its early - i bled for 6 days and then it was over and the test they did on day 1 of the mc was very pale already

MrsRigby thanks for the positivity! We will see....
I can't believe I have to wait a week before testing again, but will try to hold out for at least 7 days, as don't want to be disappointed again if the pg hormones are still there, but am not actually pg. Does anyone know how long the hormones are in the system for, even if you have had a mc?

little have added you as cycle 0 since i don't think you have had AF since MC if i recall from your first post so thats cycle 0 - (or cycle WTF is going on)

tiger my dh was exactly the same

Wednesday:
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD44
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD36
LittleOneMum TTC#2, UCL 33, cycle 0, CD30
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD29
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD29
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD29
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD25
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD24
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+22
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD21
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD19
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD10
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD8
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD8

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt (suspect molar pgy / mc weds 2nd sept)
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

Thanks both of you - it helps to be able to talk to people on MN who are going through or have had the same thing happen to them. I will tell my Mum later -she is lovely - want a hug from her, but she is 3 hours away!
I saw my DH at lunch time, and although he will be sad if I'm not pg, he is being typically man like - 'Oh well, at least we know we can actually get pg - we can just start trying again' - he wasn't being nasty, just matter of fact in a man like way.

tigerbear it's not over until it's over. Some women do have periods whilst pregnant and doctors don't know everything.

You got 2 positive results so your pregnant smile

Tiger - just like you really. I did a BFP First response on the Tuesday and a Clearblue BFP on the Wednesday which said 1-2 weeks and then started bleeding on the Sunday night. PLEASE tell your Mum (if you have a nice one) because you need lots of extra love. I did.

Cheepz - OK so it's TTC#2, UCL 33, day 30 actually if I think about it. Thank you! Everyone seems great on here.

tigerbear I was the same - it was very early - I had only known for 5 days but still its cuts to the bone. I wanted to tell everyone too but then didn't want to have to deal with all the questions - I have gradually told people over time who knew we were trying as I have come to terms with it. The dissappointment is no different however long it has been - although I think it is easier to make the emotional recovery more quickly when it is early and especially if there has been no need for medical intervention.

I called my Mum before I told my dh - Mums just know

Littleonemum and Cheepz thanks for your support.
Big hugs to you both. Littleonemum - how far gone were you? The digital test I took this morning says only 1-2 weeks pg, so while I am crying my eyes out, I feel like I don't really have the right to, ifykwim, as it was so very early. I wish I hadn't done the tests now - seeing 2 positive results just gets hopes up beyond believe. I'm now not sure what to say to family / friends- I really feel like I want to chat to people in RL about what's happening, especially as I'm still not sure if I am or not!

Spoke to my Mum briefly earlier, and she immediately asked what was wrong - mums just know when something is wrong don't they? She was with a friend, so didn't want to tell her then, but will speak to her later.
Sorry for the rambling on! Just can't concentrate - and have have lots of work to be getting on with - thankful I work from home!

tigerbear hi hon, sounds like an early mc - you just don't get falso positives as a general rule and to have two would be unheard of. Sending lots and lots of hugs although nothing really helps for the first few days.

littleonemum so sorry to hear about your mc, but glad you have found us here, you are right this is the place for honesty, and understanding, hard for someone whose not been there to get it. Happy to add you to the list just need to know a few things... is this number 1 or do you have other children (TTC#)whats your usual cycle length (UCL) and if your mc was 28 days ago we will put you on CD28 although first cycle post mc could be lnger than normal.

Hi there,

Am new here (waves!) - MC 28 days ago and still no AF but BFN today. Am so happy to have found this thread, and thanks to everyone for being so honest on it.

Tiger that sounds awful. Big hugs. That's exactly what happened to me and despite everyone's 'oh, that was such an early one, you had hardly any time to get used to it' comments, it IS hard and be good to yourself, OK?

Can someone add me on to the list -have no idea what to do hmm

Hello all,
Did one test last night (First Response) and one this morning (Clearblue) - both positive, however started bleeding again yesterday and feeling like I have my period (but much more emotional and weepy than usual).
Just saw the doctor, who pretty much said it was a false positive or a very early mc. She said to test again in a week.
V sad and teary now.

oh lee... I'm so sorry. How very, very horrible. I can't believe you are going through this.

Please be assured that you are always welcome to come here for a moan, no matter if you are TTC or not. I wish there was something we could do for you.

Take care.
<<<hugs>>>

leewt I really don't know what to say. I'm so sad for you sad

. I'm so angry that this happened. Getting pregnant is hard enough without shit like this. I'm so, so, so sorry.

I've just quickly read up about molar pregnancy, wow, so much I never knew.

I'm here for you leewt, we all are.

I really don't know what to post after this. My issues are nothing compared to what's happened to leewt.

Boodleboot I still haven't had a period, I estimate I'm now on CD33.

Morning everyone else.

Oh Lee I am so sorry. I know all too well that feeling of devastation post scan, my heart aches for you. I hope the sickness eases soon as that for me was one of the cruellest parts, still feeling so pg despite the mmc. Make sure you take care of yourself.

I think I'm on cd2 now as AF seems to be here - though its the weirdest AF ever - perhaps to be expected post mc?

Becky and Cheepz you are so right. I too need to worry less about what happens when and stop trying to replace the pregnancy I lost.
Becky I don't know how you are coping with your colleagues being pg, it's all I can do not to run away screaming from any pg woman at the moment.

Em and Trixel - any news?

leeWT as I said on other thread so very sorry, don't be too much of a stranger but can see that a break from all the noise could be just what you need to come to terms with everything - clearly it is too soon to jump back on the bandwagon and we all have to work through these things in our own way sad

boodle hang in their hon. Lee's news would throw anyone and I can only imagine that coming up to your previous mc date will be nerve wracking but all you can do is try not to stress and look after yourself. There is no reason for you to think anything bad is going to happen to your bean because of whats happened to Lee.

I am getting back into normal cycle it seems - EWCM arriving so I know things are at the right stage. I keep forgetting to take my temp so not fully into that yet but am at least remembering to do my Persona tests at the right time.

Determined to have a productive day at work today, its about time I pulled my finger out on that front.

xxx for Lee

hi girls. so gutted for lee. i HATE that this happens to us and some people who don't give a crap about their kids seem to spring them out relentlessly.....very unfair. sad

i hope you are all doing ok on here, i am very nervous at the mo as this is the point my preg failed last time so trying to remain optimistic. have midwife fri to book in and hopefully get very near date of early scan...i need to see for myself what is happening.....

AF got you yet mrsR??

any other testers?

lee - hope you're OK. So sorry to hear your news. x

Sorry to be bringing negative vibes girls but am devastated the scan didn't go well at all. Suspected molar pregnancy which has all sorts of issues as well as being an mmc. Comes with very high levels of hcg which would explain my chronic sickness.

Am very angry with the world and even if the dr had t advised waiting a few months i don't think I'd have wanted to ttc again for a good long while. Everyone situation is different but like cheepz said life for me anyway has revolved around ttc for sox months with two failed pregnancies so am going to try and focus on dh and dd oh and me for a while and give up my mn habit!

Thanks for all the help advice and support on here and I truly hope that everyone of u gets the bfp and healthy bean you deserve..

Lee xxx

good to hear from you becky and see what the next few days bring - it seems you are in a good head place about it though which is cool.

what you wrote about immendiately after just wanting to be pg agains as quick as possible to 'replace' the previous pregnancy resonated so much with me and I have found that as the time has passed although I am still really wanting to get pg and get on with having another baby I am equally a little more sage about when it may or may not happen.

before I was thinking I wanted to be pg again before I was 37 (in early aug) because then it would fit with my work plans and be a good age gap with my ds and be good timing for this and that, but the mc has shown me that with the best will and all the planning in the world if its not meant to be it wont be

it is so easy to get totally tied into the ttc to the extent that you lose sight of life, and although the months go by slowly the time passes quickly - iyswim - when we were ttc before the mc it took 3 months of trying and they seemed to take ages from one day to the next - but at the same time a quarter of a year passed and all i had focussed on was ttc - not my ds, not my dh, not my job

anyway your post really highlighted for me what i have been feeling that is we will try on all the right days and i will monitor the temp, cm and use persona, but i am going to try and be less obsessed about having it be on my terms, to my schedule and so on ... that road led to the crushing disappointment I had when the mc happened and I don't want to be back there again

someone else put it well on this thread when they said its rough post mc because for subsequent preganancies the innocence that its all straightforward is gone.

on that happy note grin

actually am feeling very good at the mo - am thinking a warm up bd tomorrow might be on the cards! just for fun!

Evening all, hope everyone is having a good day.

Quick update as I am on CD28 - no pg symptoms at all (last time I was pg I had allsorts of symptoms) so reckon I will be back at the bottom of the list in the next couple of days (sorry for stealing your place meita

). Will wait and see what happens and if no AF by weekend will do a test.

Am holding on to a little bit of hope because I saw 4 - yes 4 - pairs of magpies yesterday. On the basis that 2 are for joy then I must be owed some good news! DH thinks that using magpies to predict the future is a risky strategy and that maybe magpies just hook up in pairs this time of year but I like to think it is for joy. AND, today on the way home our house was right underneath the middle of a rainbow - I don't think there is technically a superstition that this is good luck but it seemed like a positive thing.

Anyway, have decided that I'm not going to let it get me down too much if it doesn't work out this month. I think I was desperate to be pg again as a replacement for the baby I lost so that I could still be excited about etc. and it would just be like a really long pregnancy but now there has been a bit of a gap I'm starting to feel a bit more rational as if it will happen when it happens. Obviously will keep trying and make sure we grab every opportunity to BD on the best days and is still hard with two of my closest colleagues at work both expecting, one a few weeks before I was due and one 4 weeks after so I have a running commentary of where I would have been up to but going to keep my chin up and chill out about it all.

Right, written tons and all about me, how self indulgent! Hope everyone else is doing well, updates from other potential testers would be appreciated.

Just wanted to pop in and say hi. Sending loads of baby dust your way this month smile

morning
had a wonderful bank holiday weeeknd and feeling pretty good, coming into bd window although no signs yet - temp, ewcm, persona readings etc

mrsr hate that whole situation where you have had a row but need to try and find the will to shag!

meita good to hear you sounding so much more upbeat after such a long stretch of waiting for AF

zayja how are you - hoping you are coping a little better

apples and chamo news from the top, and all the day 28ers whats the score - there must be some grad action this month surely.

heres the list

Tuesday:
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD43
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD35
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD28
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD28
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD28
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD24
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD23
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+21
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD20
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD18
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD9
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD7
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD7

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

LeeWT good to hear from you, do let us know how the scan went, I'm hoping for lots of good news and a strong healthy heartbeat!

Apples, Chamois, any news, any developments? Sending you patience vibes.

becky, em and trixel looking forward to hearing hopefully bfp-related news from you!

Zayja I hope you're busy right now!

cheepz and waiting: let's gather some strength and energy for in a week's time or so wink

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Good night!

Monday:
Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD42
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD34
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD27
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD27
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD27
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD23
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD22
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+20
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD19
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD17
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD8
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD6
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD6

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

hi all! havent been on in a while wanted to check how you're all doing.. MrsR your essays keep me cracked up, keep em coming! and how rude of your dh not to apologise when he realised he was wrong - men all over that is!!!

congrats on the ovulators and am waiting on tenderhooks for the testers!!! looks like there's a few headed for that part of the room!

as for POAS i still have to restrain myself from re-testing even though i am 8 weeks now. Scan tomorrow, will let you know how i get on, hopefully it will be hope for us all

xxxx

Evening

I highly doubt DH and I will be having sex tonight. He's in a mood with me (says I've been a bitch to him all day) and has gone uptairs whilst I'm down here. He cooked dinner - spaghetti bolegnaise, but put quite a bit of wine in (I don't drink alcohol). I just couldn't eat it, it was discusting. This has put him in even more of a mood, but what was I supposed to do?

I wouldn't mind, but I've been feeling sick all sodding day. Not due to pregnancy. POAS this morning as I woke up feeling sick and put 2+2 together and = blush

. Wasted a Clearblue digital with conception indicator angry

cheers @ zayja for ovulating! Way to go! I'm so pleased for you!

By the way, I meant to tell you that when I first charted my temps, they were quite low, too - 35.9 to 36.3 pre-ovulation. BUT then I changed to waiting the full five minutes before reading the measures, rather than just until the peep, and bingo - they settled at 36.3 to 36.75 pre-ov. So maybe the hypothyroidism-thing was just a scare? Still, if you have any doubts, I'd discuss it with a doctor.

I suppose you'll get busy with other things than sculptures and housework tonight :-) Have fun!

Our cat has fleas - so we're spending bank holiday Monday by thoroughly cleaning the house and spraying stuff and cat with anti-flea spray. I can imagine nicer things to be doing right now. angry

On the other hand, DP's mum is arriving for a weekend on Friday, so it's a good thing to be getting a head start on cleaning the house for her arrival anyway.

Hi Ladies - quick update - I'M OVULATING! grin

Although this brings new concerns as you mentioned meita, I'm just happy that I'm doing it on my own - promising.

Now I feel terrible for worrying so much on here and taking up your time and (good) advice. Thank you so much for your supportive words, I feel this is the only place where I can find people to relate.

I too have lots to work on and clean. I'm making a large sculpture right now for an art compitition and need to really get going on it! Also, work starts for me again this week, so I won't have time to obsess.

Well, positive vibes being sent out to you all!

I'm telling you, ladies [makes a serious face] - I like the position at the bottom of the list. You'd better keep it that way. The only way of you getting below me that I'll accept is by graduating!
And then I'll graduate myself and beat you all to the bottom of the graduates list grin

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Good night!

just had a lovely day out at 'wings and wheels' festivsl - air and car show, i know - sounds like a drag but it was pretty cool and dh and ds loved it and we had alot of fun doing the family thing so that was cool.

dh actually came swimming with us on saturday (normally i take ds) and that was good too

tomorrow we are going to visit my brother and family for bbq and so ds can spend time with cuzzies so all in all busy weekend and has taken my mind off all things ttc for now - which is good because on day 7 there is shag all to do about it - would be too early even for a punt in terms of doing the bd with a purpose in mind! so best to focus on other things until midweek at leaet!

mrsr missed your ranting but so know what yu mean about dh saying why did you not do what i asked when you actually did - bothers me so much when mine does that i want to poke his eye out with a pencil. sounds like your day was a shocker! glass of wine would be a necessity at the end of that day for sure.

everyone else - any news, any early testers, with so many people on day 26 we coulde xpect at least one grad this month - especially with all the holiday bonking that should have been going on!

apples any progress
chamo ? dyou know what happening

am hoping that some of those who have been and seemingly gone will be back to update us on their progress...

hope everyone is having good time off

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD41
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD33
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD26
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD26
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD26
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD22
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD21
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+19
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD18
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD16
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD7
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD5
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD5

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

Evening

.

I've been trying to post since this morning, but between DH and DS - aarghhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Went shopping this morning, can't remember what for, but basically it ended with DH and I screaming at each other and a traffic warden trying to break up the fight.

It was a VERY windy day.

Firstly, we went to withdraw money for the builder who completed some work on the house whilst we were away. Only 1 person serving (ON A SODDING SATURDAY). I told her we wanted to withdraw some money, she gave me a look and then asked how much. After asking for £650 of our own money, she told me (DH apparently knew we couldn't take out our own money when we wanted) that we could only take out £300 and that we would have to arrange in advance for a larger sum. Then when I presented my card, she had a go at me for not signing my card and then not carrying any ID angry

. DH then stepped in and clarified that it was a joint account (should DH and I ever split, I'm fucked - everything is in his name and he deals with the money side of things) and showed his ID, which included an unsigned credit card and she then had a go at him grin

(he maintains that he did sign the card, but the signature rubbed off).

So then we (I was in Starbucks buying a tall chocolate cream frappachino) made the mistake of going into the Early Learning Centre. DH showed DS a toy and DS immediately started crying when DH tried taking it off him, he was inconsolable - and so was DS. So of course we ended up having to buy it (Whizzy Mountain with 3 free construction cars) and as of yet DS hasn't really played with it, but DH and I have and it's great. Afterall that's why childrens toys were invented - for mums and dads to play with hmm

.

Sorry, I've just seen 2 great big spiders and DH has just seen 1 also - all within 30 minutes. He stepped on them all. My skin is crawling and I don't think I'll be sleeping tonight. First sodding wasps and now spiders, you get less insects in a tropical rainforest.

Anyway, where was I - oh yes...

So DH and I returned to the car to be met by a lovely traffic warden (I actually really like them - I have a very sadistic side). He had written a ticket and was just about to apply it to the windowscreen when DH started to go into a blind panic. We'd brought a ticket and DH had asked me to put it in view on the dashboard, which being the good wife I am, I did. So you'd think that would be the first place he looked, but in a panic he started tearing the car apart and had a go at me. I then started screaming that I did put the ticket on the dashboard and that the strong wind must have blown it. DH then found the parking ticket a bit further down the dashboard. He didn't apologise to me, which then made me even madder and at that point, the traffic warden had to step in.

Following this we went to Waitrose to buy a load of organic food for DS, but before we could do this, we had to park. However, all the parent and child spaces were taken up by men with mid life crisis and flashy sports cars, supposedly disabled people (it's amazing what passes as being disabled these days) and the ignorant elderly (usually a woman). So after circling the car park for 15 minutes a space became available, DH was just about to indicate when a woman in about her 50s manouvered into it. Before DH could say or do anything I got out the car and caught the attention of the woman. I informed her that parent and child spaces were for parents with children. Not 50 somethings dressed as 20 somethings wearing far too much make-up. I further informed her that she was a dispicable human being and reminded her that what goes around, comes around or what comes around goes around (I can never remember which way around that saying is said). She was not happy and walked off. The point was made.

We then visited DH parents. For a refreshing change, they didn't try to take DS off us as soon as we walked through the door. We were chatting about Cornwall, DS and other general stuff when DH's father started telling us the football scores off teletext. He does this everytime and it's baffling as neither DH or I like football or know anything about it. Then DH's mother started worrying about DS when I put him on the floor to crawl. She kept covering all the corners on furniture etc and tried to make DS sit with toys that she wanted him to play with. Normally I would have tried to compete for DS affection, but it's a lost cause and I'm just going to focus on DC#2 (IF THAT EVER HAPPENS). It really pissed off DH and I, we would rather he explored and received a few knocks etc so that he learned.

And on top of all of this, I made the mistake of taking another test - a BFN. I've absolutely no idea what is going on with my body. Something should have happened by now.

cheepz to be honest I've no idea if I am in the testing window. I have PCOS. My last period finished at the end of July and lasted about 6 days. So I would expect that around the very end of this month I would be due another period hmm

. Anyone any thoughts?

zayja good to know I'm not the only one who writes big essays grin

Apples you're not the only one who can't keep away from the Feb bus. Why do we do it to ourselves, eh?
Zayja - sorry you're having a hard time. It is all so unfair isn't it. Have some very un-mumsnetty hugs ((())) and try not to watch those programmes [hypocrite emoticon]
If it's any consolation to you I'm in my 20s and still wondering if I should have started earlier! I'm starting to feel quite cross with myself for trying so hard to prevent pregnancy for all those years, and cross with biology teachers and magazines for making me believe that you only had to have sex once to get pregnant. (and I know it can happen...but why not to us right now?!)
I'd second Cheepz's advice on having a project to focus on. I'm trying to look on the bright side of all this (often failing but never mind), every month that goes by is more progress on the house and my general organisation which I was intending to put off until post-baby. It does help.

i was quite chuffed to eb on day 7 alread wink

- at least we can copy and poste your last list tomorrow (+1 for you though smile

)

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD40
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD32
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD25
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD25
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD25
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD20
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD21
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+18
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD17
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD15
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD6
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD4
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD4
GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

Oops! I'm such a ditz. Sorry....! It must be cos mine's a day out, again, apologies.. (bows head in shame) blush

This should be right now

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD40
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD32
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD27
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD26
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD25
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD20
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD21
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+18
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD17
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD15
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD6
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD4
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD4
GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

ps barrenbrook good effort but you have moved us all 2 days forward so that will be tomorrows list - wishful thinking perhaps that time would go faster!! grin

tigerbear i used to travel long haul alot and that did mess with my cycles, the rest of the time - when not travelling am very regular so that could have an impact

zayja {{{{{big hug}}}} switch channels immediately! I think if you have any doubts at all about what your doctor is telling you then see a specialist - you don't want to mess with your system if its the wrong thing to do and could end up making things worse / take longer because its not what your body really needs.

I know what you mean about wondering why you didn't start sooner but its easy with hindsight - if its any consolation I had my ds at 35 and am now 37, I have a couple of friends who have recently had or who are preganant in their 40's so age is not necessarily a factor. MCs happen frequently to women in their twenties so not necessarily age related.

Try and find some other project to focus on - you must try not to spend all your time thinking about ttc, have you got something around your house that needs doing, have you had a hobby or sport you have wanted to learn, do - you have to find other things to focus on - i have developed a shopping habit - not ideal but have been sorting stuff out around the house as well and not putting stuff off until after the baby I was planning at work for example.

Be strong.

One final note: I've talked to several people who had problems in conceiving. They all said they wished they had gone to see a specialist earlier.
On the other hand, they all said once you're in the "system", it's very hard to get out of it again.

Zayja, you must be distraught. I'm sorry you are having such a hard time.
Unlike you, I always just knew I was going to have trouble conceiving - but very much like you, I never thought beyond that, never thought I might MC. And yet here we all are.

Ok let me start with the cautious part. I encountered several women who conceived naturally, MCed, and then for some reason or other couldn't conceive again and ended up going through IVF (They are all now pregnant or have had a baby already.)
But this is not very common. Those women had been TTC for a long time before they conceived, and it was later discovered that their partners' sperm quality was not good and that was most likely also the reason why they MCed.
Now to the more optimistic part. If indeed you have hypothyroidism, this can be treated. Many women with such conditions have become pregnant, and it doesn't necessarily take IVF. There are in fact specialist forums for women with hypothyroidism who are TTC. If you think you might have hypothyroidism, you should definitely talk to your Gyn/Ob about this, tell her of your symptoms, your basal temps, and your suspicion. She will be able to confirm, or reassure you, quite easily (perhaps she will refer you to an endocrinologist). And if it turns out that you do have such a condition, you at least know what's up and there is something you can do about it!
I always thought I'd have thyroid related problems in conceiving as my mum has a thyroid condition which runs in families. So far my fears have been unfounded (fingers crossed!).
Anyway, in such a situation it helps knowing your body and your cycle. Take chart print-outs to the meetings with your doctor(s), it will help them pinpoint the problem, enabling them to find an appropriate solution faster - rather than following the usual, quite common, trial-and-error proceeding. Tell your doc that you are sceptical about the progesterone, as you are menstruating regularly, and ask if there isn't an alternative that is specifically for supporting ovulation. Or they might convince you that progesterone is indeed the right way to go right now.
Also, how long have you been temp-ing? I'm asking because it could be possible that you have started to ovulate later than usually. If you ovulated around CD20, would you still have caught it with the OPK? Maybe you did ovulate but missed it because you expected it to happen earlier. Just a thought. (If that were indeed the case, and your cycles were still the same length, you'd have a different set of worries: You'd be having a very short luteal phase. But it would be important knowing this because then the cause for your TTC difficulty would be different and would accordingly need different treatment.)

Over all, I'd say yes, trust your doctor. But do tell them about your hypothyroidism-suspicion and insist that they take it seriously. (Being emotional and depressive is also a symptom of thyroid conditions, btw.). And don't jump to quick conclusions. There are so many things that need to be right in order to conceive. Charting your temps and CM can help you understand which one isn't working properly, and help you and your doctor find the appropriate response and plan of action.

I'm wishing you the best of luck and sending you lots of cheerful thoughts. Take care. And turn off that telly!

Morning ladies, thank you all again for your welcomes, you all seem such a lovely bunch and it's reassuring (sadly) that m/c happens to so many of us

MrsRigby Did you test??? Sending lucky vibes your way

Zayja I didn't want to read and run, I'm sure there are ladies on here that are far more knowledgable than me. The only thing I would say is that sometimes the internet can be a dangerous thing, it comes up with all sorts of suggestions of what you may or may not have (I've done it myself and got myself into quite a panic!) I say I'd go with the advice of your Dr for now and see how that goes, after all, like your DH says they did go to school for it. Fingers crossed it has the required results!

I've attempted to update the list, I dunno if I've done it right though blush

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD41
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD33
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD26
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD26
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD26
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD21
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD21
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+18
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD18
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD16
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD7
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD5
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD5
GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

BTW, have just realized temps are not the same across the pond so my BBT is consistently around 36 - 36.2 if this helps you ...to help me hmm

tigerbear, IKWYM! I've been thinking lots lately - why didn't I TTC earlier? I'm now nearly 34 and can hardly remember what I've been doing that was so much fun I didn't want DC sooner.

Welcome barrenbrook and tigerbear, sorry I didn't say that earlier, and I hope you both find some support and good advice as I have here.

I guess I'm a little scared right now because not only did I not imagine I'd ever have a mc, but certainly didn't think I'd be experiencing fertility/ovulation problems. Here's the scoop Meita - I've been using OPKs since TTC June '08 or so. I always got a +OPK cd14 & 15 (maybe missed once). Anyway, have been using the same brand and the test line seems to show a slight surge around that time but no +.

I also have been inspired to temp cheepz, but that's brought new worries. I haven't had a temp surge either. I'm on cd17 and my BBT was 96.8 this morn. I haven't had one above 97.1 yet. Of course I started internet researching, and found that is a symptom for people with hypothyroidism. Now I'm worried something's wrong with me, my thyroid, pituitary gland, eggs, ovaries, uterus etc. and I won't get PG.

The only thing I hold on to is that I was PG this year for 3 mos., so fingers crossed. But now my body is acting up on me and so frustration IS wearing me down cheepz.

So here's what the current plan is. My OB/GYN has recommended progesterone pills for me to take cd 1-10. She said it's like a "reset" button for your cycle. Since our conversation, I've been researching on it, and it seems to me that prog is normally used in women that don't menstruate - but my cycle's regular. Also meita, I've seen lots of sketchy info. on this. Most women get a second short period after their first and then are confused about OV.

Anyway, sorry to ramble on about this - I'm in a peculiar situation and need your input. Do I get a second opinion, ask for blood tests before taking prog, seek out a specialist or just trust my doc (she did go to school for this after all)? DH likes to remind me I'm not a doctor.

In the meantime, I'm very emotional and cry often

so am relating to your posts waiting, chamois and apples. I have a cousin who had thyroid problems, needed IVF to conceive (and ended up with triplets!!!) Anyway, when she was ttc and very down I heard reports from family that all she did was lay on the couch watching TLC "Bringing Home Baby" shows and crying. I thought - what a pity! Now what do you suppose I was doing this morning?

Well, glad you're back Mrs.R, we need some of your humorous antics 'round here - and a few more BFPs wouldn't be too bad either!

Hello to Cheeps, Meita and Fatlady - thanks for all of your advice. Sorry I haven't been back for a few days. I'm going to go on the website you suggested, and try to understand all of this a little better! The bleeding is still here, but getting lighter. Really not sure what it was - am now thinking my cycle might be messed up because I've been traveling long haul recently - that can mess up your periods sometimes can't it?
Fatlady - no, I haven't MC'd before.

Same as some others on here - pretty much all of my friends now have babies, and the rest are pg. It's awful spending some many years NOT wanting to be pregnant, then when you do, it's so hard!

*Mrs R* - welcome home wink

Didn't know that you were in testing window - have we got your cd wrong on the list - would have been big upping and whoop whooping if there was iminent testing!

boodle make sure you update us the minute your scan results are in - well we can maybe wait til after the grads thread but right after that x

oooh glad you are back mrsR was wondering where ye be... wink

still no AF is very good. fingers crossed for tomorr morning....

i am doing ok, an official knicker checker which is a dubious luxury of being PG. Midwife next week to get early scan. really trying to be optimistic tho to make sure it is onlly positive vibes that the little bean is getting from me...

i'm booked in {ha} for some sex with DH tonight....doesn't he realise that his job is done now and just to BACK OFFFFFF grin

happy bonking

xx

I'm back

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For those of you who hadn't realised I'd been gone, DH, DS and I went down to Cornwall for 5 days - it rained the entire time.

Welcome barrenbrook smile

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Okay, normal service from me will resume tomorrow. Just got back so tired (absolutely insane traffic) and aware that DS is going to wake us up at 5am tomorrow - besides DH is after more sex sad

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I wish I'd either just get a BFP or have AF visit me. The waiting is killing me and it seems DH - he wants me to do a test first thing tomorrow. I might sleep on it.

ladies

my first persona day of the month tomorrow so back into poas 8 times a month and taking of temp etc - have not done the temp thing before but inspired by meita to give it a go - now just have to remember!

zayja hope you are doing ok and frustration is not wearing you down

apples any change? its a tough place you are in

stressy and other grads who are dropping in please keep doing so and don't worry about posting about your anxieties about being pg as being insensitive to those of us still ttc - we are all rooting for you and it does us good to hear how things are progressing - we are all going to be in the same boat at some stage and we are all friends here

here is updated list for friday

by the way - does anyone have a clue where trixel has got to?

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD39
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD31
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD24
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD24
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD24
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD19
Barrenbrook TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD19
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+18
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD16
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD14
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD5
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD3
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD3

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

Hi barrenbrook, sorry to hear about your MC. But glad all the same it turned out NOT to be molar. That would have been most horrible! I can't imagine having to wait a year or more just to TTC after MC. I'm 33 and a half and also TTC #1, so about the same. I'm glad you found your way here - lots of support from the lovely ladies!

Zayja that s** when computers crash on you. Sorry to hear your distress. Still, I wonder, how do you know for sure that you are not ovulating? Are you using ovulation tests? One of my friends who knows for sure that she ovulates, NEVER got a positive on those. They are fickle things, they are!
I've also heard ambiguous info on using progesterone. Maybe you should talk to a specialist? Anyway, maybe all will be clear in the most positive way possible in another 2 or 3 weeks... fingers crossed for you.

stressy I am very much hoping to join you on totally's thread soon (that is, in a month or so). Along with everyone else here

By then you will be all relaxed and nearing the end of your first trimester, whilst we new graduates will be all panicky and worried wink

waiting there are some distinct advantages to having AF visiting. She always brings great wine! Cheers! wink

cheepz try to relax a bit! Don't let the pressure get to you. It's only in your mind, you know? Does it really matter if you get pg this month or only next?
Though, it's always easy to give advice, but much harder to follow it, isn't it? I am sooo planning to get down to serious BD business on all the right days this cycle. I guess I should take some of my own advice...

barrenbrook at 37 I got 4 yrs on you!!

apples good for you - onwards and upwards

SIl BIL situation resolved - we are not going until late Sept - now if i can just get knocked up before then it will all be fine! Busy month for me and dh - pressures on!

Hi all, have put myself on list at day 38.

Apples TTC#3 UCL 28 CD38
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD30
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD23
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD23
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD23
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD18
Barrenbrook TTC#? UCL28 cycle 4 CD18
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+16
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD15
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD13
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD4
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD2
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD2

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

Barrenbrook - I feel really bad that I didn't welcome you yesterday - I was not showing my prettiest side! Anyway, sorry you're here but it's lovely to have you. I've found it really good to hear from people that know what it's like.

I've decided to be more positive too zayja - I'm raising my glass right back at you!

Cheepz - sorry about the SIL/ BIL... can't think of anything smart to suggest you say... perhaps avoidance is the best policy!

Sleep well

x

Cheepz, thanks for the welcome and for adding me to the list. smile

We're TTC #1, I'm 34 and DH is 40 (oldies!)

Congrats to all of you who have graduated and all the luck in the world to the rest of us yet to graduate xxx

Just checking in to say "hi" ladies. Sorry AF got you Meita, Cheepz, Zajay and waiting - sending lots of baby dust to you all.

I'm staying true to form and stressing about everything so those of you looking back through the thread please ignore my earlier promises of being laid back and calm about everything - I was clearly lying!!!

I defo recommend not lurking on buses - I can't even look at old scan pic yet. I'm not lurking on buses for this pg either yet - WAY to paranoid.

Hoping to see you all on the Totally's Grads thread v. v. v. soon. Looks like chamois Becky, trixle and em will be testing soon - fingers and toes crossed. xxx

Hey Ladies,
Typed a big long rambling message to you all last night, then power went out, and my computer went offline - ARGH!

To sum it up - BIG CONGRATS to boodle and stressy, enjoy your BFPs - you worked hard (and hopefully had some fun along the way) to get them!

apples and tfls - I can relate to the frustration. Went to a work picnic yesterday and saw everyone's lovely DC and a few preggos too. When I got AF earlier this mo. I cried lots and looked at my healthy 8w scan pic - which was not healthy for me.

Now I'm on cd16 4 cycles post-mc and NOT OVULATING! Have not ovulated since mmc which is not normal to be sure! (started new threads to see if anyone has answers)

How in the hell am I supposed to fall pg! [extremely impatient] So now I need to wait until my next cycle starts to take progesterone, and if that doesn't work - more tests to follow. I'm really worried something's wrong w/ my ovaries or eggs!

Well, to quell my fears and end on a more + note - here's to you ladies, graduates, BFPs for all, BD, OV, and all that's right and good in the world! [raises glass and takes a drink...and another]

apples stay away from the feb bus - i have had to stop myself going back to the march bus to see whats going on but its just not healthy and wont help you at all. must look forward. <cheepz sheepishly gets off soapbox> maybe you should jump on the list at CD38 - meita went up to CD45 before hitting the bottom again but might feel like you are making some headway then?

congrats to meita and waiting you are no longer on day 1 grin

Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD30
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD23
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD23
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD23
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD18
Barrenbrook TTC#? UCL28 cycle 4 CD18
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+16
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD15
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD13
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD4
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD2
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD2

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

apples I don't have much time, as getting ready to fly back home - but let me just say this: you will ovulate again. I promise!

Perhaps you already have and are in the 2ww without knowing it?

You should definitely not lurk on Feb-bus!

I found www.pregnancyloss.com useful for info on weird cycles post MC. Maybe that would help clear some things up for you, too?

Good luck and <<<hugs>>>!

Also, sometimes I just lurk on the Feb 10 bus. When lost bean was due. NOT healthy.

Tomorrow I will try to be fabulously upbeat. Er, weather permitting.

Hi everyone,

After throwing my toys out of the cot the other night, I have been busy with the children I actually have!!

Anyway, i am following Meita in the mystery of the lost AF post mc. It is a long and rambling story. Punctuated by peeing on sticks.

Meita, I know you have recently had a breakthrough in this area but I am still confused because I am not sure I will ever ovulate again.

Recap:
ERPC: 38 days ago.

Always a 28 day girl. Never changed.

I have had spotting since day 28 after ERPC til now, day 38. But no AF (and BFN).

Very down. How is it possible not even to be able to state CD?? I really am trying to see the sunny unlands, but I seem to be staring at mud.

welcome barrenbrook sorry you are here but glad you are here. lots of tips on cycles here - meita is a veritable font of ovulation cycle knowledge so theres always chat about who is where when. I have added you to our list
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD29
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD22
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD22
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD22
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD17
Barrenbrook TTC#? UCL28 cycle 4 CD17
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+15
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD14
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD12
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD3
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD1
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD1

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

waiting know how you feel, dh is pressing for us to see SIL - its her birthday soon but although its petty I am horribly jealous she is pg and my tactless BIL is bound to say something like 'you guys should get a move on if you don't want too big an age gap' and if he does I will feel compelled to say 'I HAD A MISCARRIAGE LAST MONTH IF YOU MUST KNOW' just to make him feel horrible about it - although he is so tactless he might follow up with something like 'oh, maybe youve left it abit late in the day' at which point I will just want to kill him .... sigh, its not easy to be grown up this stuff.

boodle glad ypou stopped in - have been spying on you on your grads thread and seems like there is a good little 'posse of paranoids' ready to join when we get there - nice to see Helpet has found you as she is on another TTC post mc thread and we are trying to persuade Monkeys from that same thread who is pg to join (TFLS and I have been shamelessly promoting your thread wink

) benefits us all to have a community and support network

right time to work out and get some of the pizza shed that I had for lunch - it felt worth it at the time but not so much now. roll on CD 4

Hi girls, just checking in as not much to report my end - 2ww at the mo and no symptoms to speak of so not getting my hopes up yet (had some stomach cramps today but think that was a result of over indulging with popcorn at the cinema last night!!)

boodle & stressy - whoo hoo!! So happy for you both, hope everything is going well and that you ca balance the worry of it going wrong with the happy news that you actually managed to get past the first step

meita, cheepz and waiting, sorry AF got you but like you all said at least you know where you are at now.

trixel are you still out there?

Hello all,

Is it OK if I join you? I m/c in Jan at about 6 weeks (had just had Mirena coil removed and wasn't sure of my cycles) Initially I was told it was a molar pregnancy but thankfully after a couple of months of tests I was told it was actually a 'normal' m/c and we could try again.

We've been ttc again since May 09 and as yet nada, have used a Clearblue Fertility Monitor for the first time this month and am currently on CD17 of a usual 28. What I have discovered is that I ovulate earlier than I thought as I had peaks on Days 9 and 10 and highs either side.

Anyway, nice to meet you all, sorry for the ramble!

Kate

Thank you for all being so nice. It's been another crappy day - my friend at work told me she's just found out she's 10 weeks pregnant - which would be how pregnant I would have been sad

Which means that everyone I know who wants to be pregnant is and none have had a MC. I feel like I'm the statistic that keeps them all happily conceiving. It's so good to know it's not just me smile

hello all

just wanted to pop in and say hi to you ...i am in the pants/ pre midwife bit now of panicking every day that this preg is going to end badly....it certainly doesn't get any less worrying when you actually GET pregnant....i spent so long focusing on the TTC part of it that i hadn't considered what a huge weight of responsibility it is when you actually do fall.... shock

really hoping to see some of you girlies come and join us on the grad thread this month.....xxxxx smile

xxxxx

meita - glad you at least save on the cost of tests. You'd have left your own little "stick" mountain in Switzerland otherwise!

Welcome tigerbear. I'm assuming you've had a m/c before? I was just wondering if it was recent and whether that might have affected your normally regular cycles? I'm another fan of Fertility Friend - they send you regular email tutorials breaking it into bitesize chunks.

waiting - oh I'm sorry you've hit a low patch. I find life is a series of highs and lows at the moment. And you're right apples - even half the cast of EastEnders seem to be pregnant hmm

Well done for dealing with your friend's news chamois - it must have been really painful but it's one more hurdle out of the way IFKWIM.

vivC - great news re the dress. Are you organised for November?

I'm getting sulky (warning - teenage tantrum coming on). I've had 11 days in a row of a high reading on the Clearblue monitor and no sign of a Peak reading. I want to ovulate, I want to get pregnant, I want a BFP and I want it NOW! [TFLS stamps her foot, looks petulant and stomps off pretending to look mature]. And it's raining.....

Right strop over, as you were.

cheepz you're welcome (the bumping off the bottom of the list bit) I for one am glad I'm not stuck at the top anymore ;-)

My "system" is simply that I've worked out from comparing the last 4 cycles that my luteal phase must probably be 14 days long. According to myNFP.de which is a very good, but German language fertility and charting website, ovulation can be sometime from two days before and one day after the temperature surge which can be clearly observed. Usually my period starts bang 14 days after the temperature surge, but sometimes it's up to two days earlier or one day later, so that fits nicely and would indicate that I usually get the temp surge on the day I ovulate but sometimes only two days after ovulation.

This time my temp surge was not absolutely clear but given my best guess, yesterday would have been 14 days later.
This works pretty well for predicting my periods which is useful when you have irregular cycles! And for knowing when it's worth testing. But unfortunately it's not much use at all for timing the BD bit - CM is the key here!

tiger the way I see it your cycles are usually 30 days long (you count from the first day of bleeding to the last day before you start bleeding again. so that's 9 days of bleeding plus 21 days between = 30 days).

The luteal phase is basically the time between ovulation until when the new period (=new cycle) begins. For each woman, this phase is normally always the same length. It can be anywhere between 12 and 16 days long (if it is shorter, which also occurs, it will be increasingly difficult to conceive). So if for you it is 13 days, it is normally always 13 days for you. And if it's 15 days, it should always be 15 days.

So with a 30-day regular cycle your ovulation would be expected to be sometime between cycle day 14 and cycle day 18 (counting from the first day of your last period!).

I reckon from your description that you are now at cycle day 18 or 19. So if your luteal phase is very long and you ovulate on CD14, you would now be 4-5 days past ovulation (DPO). Sometimes but very rarely implantation occurs this soon. And sometimes you do bleed a little with implantation.
So what you are experiencing might be implantation bleeding, but it isn't very likely.
On the other hand, if your luteal phase is short and you ovulate on CD18 (or even later), then you would just about be at ovulation time now - so any bleeding could be associated with ovulation.

Was your last cycle regular and your period bang on time? How is the bleeding progressing?

About fertility signs, I recommend you sign up with www.fertilityfriend.com. When you sign up you get a free online course that explains everything. Some people who have regular cycles always miss their most fertile days because they just assume that they ovulate on CD14, when in fact they may ovulate much later or indeed earlier. Charting your basal temperatures and observing your cervical mucus can give you very useful indications for timing your intercourse succesfully!

tiger that does sound abit odd. If you count your cycle from the first day of your last period you would be on about cycle day (CD) 18 9 days of AF and 9 days since you stopped bleeding. Normally ovulation would be around days 12 - 16 (perhaps slightly earlier, orlater) but CD18 is probably too early for implantation bleed unless you ovulated really early, with MC - more likley to be bright red blood than darker.

It might just be some residual blood from your last AF, that would explain it being darker (most likely older). Or could be ovulation spotting but quite late in cycle although that is more browny pink than dark and not so much generally, just a trace.

Sometimes can just be hormonal fluctiation or if you are really 'doing it' alot then you caould have irritated your cervix which could cause it to bleed (has happened to me!)

Has it been going on for days? is it very light or getting heavier? Probably no cause for alarm and is defo too early to be an MC.

Hi Meita and Cheeps, thanks for your messages.
My periods are always very regular and 'normal' (for me anyway, in that they are always about a full 3 weeks apart and last for about 9 days in total). This bleeding seemed odd to me as it started only approx 9 days after the end of the last proper period. We had begun to have sex lots as soon as the proper period has finished.
This bleeding is relatively light, and the blood is a bit darker than normal - almost black (sorry, TMI!).

I haven't done a test.

I'm a total novice, so not familiar with all these new terms - luteal phases, fertility signs, etc! We have only just started TTC properly, if you see what I mean (but not been using any protection since last November).

waiting - I know its tough isn't it - although for me I am just glad to be back into normal cycle so I feel like if it happens this month now it will be on the basis that everything is back to normal as I have had an AF since mc and my body has recovered. I will be dissappointed this month though if we don't manage it. I am not good at the patience element of ttc and it feels like time passes really slowly, but at the same time as if time is passing really fast as months go by and all of a sudden its 3 months later and still no baby!

meita glad AF has arrived - finally - at least now for you you can be back on a more even keel - your system really works - you said it would be 44 days and it was 45 thats pretty impressive! Now for normal cycling again - thanks for bumping me off the bottom of the list! I am on CD 3 already! exciting!

tiger also abit confused about your cycle. Unless your AF was really light in which case that could have been implantation and then this bleed would potentially be an mc assuming you are testing negative. Can you give us some more details - we are all closet cycle experts here grin

chamo hope you are doing ok and that you are feeling a little better - small steps, thats all we can manage. Look at our list of grads - its getting longer - just goes to show it can happen and does fairly frequently!

everyone else - where are you?! hope you are all doing ok.

Wednesday's list

Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD29
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD22
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD22
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD22
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD17
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+15
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD14
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD12
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD3
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 1 CD1
Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle 1 CD1

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

Hi all -
looks like AF has finally arrived. Phew.

waiting, as glad as I am that AF has arrived for me, I'm sorry she's paying you a visit too! Initially, just like you, I was desperate to fall pg again as soon as possible. But then I realised that whilst sad, missing a chance to conceive is not really the drama I was making it out to be - not when you put it into perspective... it was the MC that was really painful, losing a little bean. Compared to that, having AF visit seems, well, quite minor really. At least to me. I hope you can manage to deal with it all - give yourself some time, some pampering, you do deserve it!

tiger I don't really understand... are you saying you started bleeding on or about cycle day 17? Do you normally have very short cycles? Is the bleeding heavy, like a regular menstruation bleed? Or is it very light?
If you ovulated early, say on CD 10, then your bleeding could be implantation bleeding. You'd have to wait another week or so and then your regular menses would arrive, or you could do a test.
I can't see how it could possibly be a miscarriage. In order to miscarry, first you need to be pregnant, which in my book is not before implantation occurs.
Over all, it sounds like a very short cycle. If you get those often, you should perhaps talk to your doctor about it. It could be a sign that your luteal phase is too short which could make it hard to conceive.
Our cycles can be very confusing at times. Do you chart your fertility signs at all? That can be helpful to understand what's happening (though it can be even more confusing sometimes too!)

You can bump my back to the bottom of the list because I have been in the throws of AF pain all day. So much so that I've wanted to punch people all day. Not cool.

I'm with you Tiger - I was convinced I was going to be pregnant again this month. And that it would be like the MC had never really happened. Which is silly now I think about it properly.

I'm sure I'll stop wanting to cry all the time soon sad

Night all

Hello everyone, I'm new and just wanted to share my disappointment. I really thought I was going to be pg next month - just had that feeling you get when you think: Oh it's definitely going to be this time!' and DH had been doing the deed at all the right times - have been on holiday and had more time to do it! But then I started to bleed just 10 days after the end of my last period. I'm really confused - could this be a VERY early sort of miscarriage? (Bearing in mind I would have been only about 11 days pregnant?) - Is that possible? Or am I being silly?

Hello ladies,
no news from here. Temp just keeps going down and I'm on CD45 (I think it's either 15 or 17 DPO if indeed I ovulated) and AF really should have arrived at the latest yesterday, but no.
If I weren't charting my temps I'd be POAS like mad and wasting lots of money... but BFPs after temp dropped are virtually unheard of. So I'm thinking something must be wrong with AF and my cycle is just refusing to go back to normal. If AF doesn't arrive by the time I get back home, I think I'll go see someone about it. Until then I'll just keep expecting her to show up at the most inconvenient moment possible.

chamois I was just like you - just when I thought I was getting over the worst, I was knocked back again. I think it was when the shock wore off and the pain started to really kick in. I hope you are all right. Hang on in there, and don't forget that you can always come in here to complain, rant or simply be sad!

... oh and tuesdays list is.... (just want to not eb on day 1 anymore!!)- still at least its a week before i have to even think about having sex wink

bit of time of before the mid month bonkathon

hers the latest

Meita TTC#1 UCL 30-34 cycle ? CD45
Waiting TTC#1 UCL 26-33 cycle 0 CD33
Chamois TTC#1 UCL ? cycle ? CD28
becky78 TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 3 CD21
em22 TTC#? UCL 28 cycle 3 CD21
trixel TTC#3 UCL 28-35 cycle 7 CD21
TFLS TTC#1 UCL 28 cycle 1 CD16
MrsRigby TTC#2 UCL ? cycle 1 CD?+14
Zayja TTC#1 UCL 24-27 cycle 4 CD13
VivCliquot TTC#1 UCL? cycle 1 CD11
Cheepz TTC#2 UCL 27-28 cycle 1 CD2

GRADUATES
amyboo
totally
leewt
boodleboot BFP 21st August
Stressy BFP 22nd August

my SIL is due in 10 weeks and wants to meet up to complain about how big an uncomfortable she is - she doesn't know about the mc, and I am just not sure I want to have to deal with it.... cant believe it has been so long since we started trying that she is basically most likely going to have her baby before i am even pg. agree with you chamois it is hard not to feel cross about it and frustrated and dh's generally dont get it.

feeling much better today no cramps, no changing tampon every hour - my first day of AF is so much heavier since having ds.

well when it happens it will happen...... ce la vie

Oh chamois I know what you mean.. A friend of mine told me she was preg about a month after my mc and we wud have been due within a week of each other.. I was gutted like a punch to the stomach tho I stuck a stupid grin on me!

As for your dh.. I totally agree with apples, he couldn't fix it so therefore it became something with which he couldn't understand.

So please feel entirely entitled to a mumble and grumble!

Xxx

Hi Viv- just wanted to let you know I just got married at 3 months gone and had my wedding party at 14 weeks and I fit in my dress as it was lace up back, so you have no worries there.

Hey everyone

I'm grinning like a loon at all the good news on here - I'm really chuffed for you all, and it's making me feel v positive about the future for the rest of us.

So, went for my first wedding dress fitting today and it's gorgeous and amazing and just brilliant. Which is a relief as I had been crapping myself every day since the day I ordered it (Jan 10th!!) that I wouldn't like it when it arrived.

And the extra good news is that it's a lace-up back, so if the baby gods smile down on me between now and November, I'll still fit in it... wink

In ov news, had a small amount of ewcm this morning so looks like I'm moving in the right direction, cycle-wise.

Anyway, I've written an essay, so much love to all.

It's not just you chamo, everyone IS pregnant.

Sounds like your DH is just trying to be practical. Also, he doesn't like it that you are sad, so he thinks it would be better for you if you don't think about it, for your own good. Men can be like that.

When I told my DH I had lost the baby he was sad about it for, maybe, five minutes. Like someone had just squashed a kitten. Then he asked about dinner. We already have two, and he loves them obviously, but it is not the same as the concept of another.

Oh stressy that's great news.

cheepz, glad to hear that the wtf is going on cycle is over, onwards and upwards, eh?

No news from me really. Just as I thought I was emotionally a bit better I seem to have been knocked for six again. Today a friend told me she is pregnant, just a couple of weeks ahead of where I would have been. It hurt so much it actually made me feel physically sick though of course I had to be full of congratulations and not vomit on her grin

Is it just me or does the whole world seem to be pregnant at the moment?!
Also had to attend a first birthday party and I really struggled watching the happy family all together. Please someone tell me I won't be this bitter and twisted forever?! I feel really cross at the moment that I got all the way to 11 weeks and have nothing to show for it.
Oh and to top it all DH and I had a bit of a disagreement this evening and he told me he's fed up of hearing about me talking about the m/c. That really made my day... hmm

Hope the rest of you are on a more even keel than I am!
from a slightly unstable chamois x

bah humbug - cramps and a bad temper - at least its normally over after 24 hours (the worst anyway) at least thats what dh says!

read today about a little boy called joshua who a friend is raising money for - hes 18 months and has a rare aggressive cancer. poor mite has been through so many treatments since he was 4 months old I can't tell you. and when i think what his mother must be going through

had to run to loo in office and cry, then donated 50 pounds because it could have been my little boy

put everything into perspective for me for today. my woes are really very minor

No I'll check it out. Been venting a lot on here lately about one thing and another grin

need a chill pill lol.

Has anyone heard from Lucky lately? I know she was going to lay low.. hope she's ok.

ah bummer soz to hear that cheepz....still at least you can focus on the next month....can i big up the pre-seed and suggest it to you all to order.....i fell first month using it....could be coincidence but hey in for a penny in for a pound....i got mine off amazon. meita - can't wait to hear your news either way, it does sound like you have had a puzzling cycle this month but still maintain it aint over til AF is actually here....

waiting - praying that your spotting is implantation related.....xx

apples - how are you doing today? feeling anymore cheerful

mrsR - where are you?? all ok?

thanks totally - have you seen the totally's grads thread in preg we have started? 14wks, so amazing, i heard that your scan was amazing....so happy for you.

and by all of you I mean everyone on this thread not just those I mentioned! wink

Thanks *waiting, TFLS, Cheepz and Meita* I couldn' have made it through the last couple of months without all of you (and there's still a LOOOONG way to go yet).

Sorry to hear AF got you cheepz but pleased you can be a bit relaxed about it - at least knowing where yhuo will be in yuor cycle will be one less thing to worry about.

Enjoy the rest of your time in Switzerland meita

You never know waiting spotting could be a V good sign.

Lot of hugs to all. Will keep checking in if I may (really don't feel like a grad yet)

Stressy! That's so exciting. I guess BFPs are like buses!

I've had a tiny bit of spotting today - not like usual period which is super heavy from the word go. So far it's just like it was last month but trying not to think about it / compare too much. Will just wait and see if AF shows up properly... Think I'm going to have to give clear blues to DH to hide grin

Yiperdeedee - I'm so pleased for you boodle and stressy! That's absolutely fantastic news. What a double whammy. Lots of positive vibes to you and lots of sticky glue to your little beans. Hope you can both stay relatively chilled - things are largely out of your control now so go with the flow and enjoy each day. Hope that wasn't the wrong thing to say, but it's so easy to get worried and preoccupied trying to control and influence things when it reality we'd be better off relaxing.

Sorry about AF cheepz but glad you sound OK about it. Hopefully your body is now back in synch and you're in good shape for this month.

Welcome back amyboo - hope you had a good holiday.

And lovely to hear from you meita. You sound relaxed - hope you're having a great time despite the award-puzzling cycle.

apples - sorry you've hit a low patch. But please remember it is just that. This is a real rollercoaster. Hoping you're back on an up soon xxx (blimey will get banned for the xxx wink

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waiting - my AF was actually a couple of days early. I've been told that the first AF after m/c is a real mystery and will be whatever it wants to be!

[TFLS puts out her hands to bask in reflective glow of BFPs!]

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