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To be sickened by Hamas

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MindfullyAmazedHorse · 10/10/2023 22:08

AIBU to be sickened by what Hamas terrorists have done to innocent Israeli citizens?

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation. I don’t think anything political can explain what has happened over the last few days.

It is utterly horrendous what Hamas has done. I also think that Hamas are no friend to the Palestinians. They are bringing wrath on them.

I have read that this is the worst attack on innocent Jewish people since the holocaust, which is horrifying.

I am struggling to process these recent events.

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SpudleyLass · 10/10/2023 22:09

Hampshire are a terrorist group so yanbu

SpudleyLass · 10/10/2023 22:11

HAMAS! HAMAS! HAMAS area terrorist group!

Rollercoaster1920 · 10/10/2023 22:14

Those commuter scoundrels from Winchester are bad, but not terrorists!

BMW6 · 10/10/2023 22:14

SpudleyLass · 10/10/2023 22:09

Hampshire are a terrorist group so yanbu

I live in Hampshire, this has given me a very much needed laugh, thanks 😂

Boshi · 10/10/2023 22:17

‘The worst thing you can say about Hamas, multiplied by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression, and killing, and dispossession of the Palestinians’ Gabor Mate

‘End the inhuman, illegal, criminal blockade of gaza.. which has confided over a million children in the concentration camp’ Norman Finkelstein

If you are going to talk about what Hamas have done to innocent Israeli citizens, there needs to be a recognition of what Israel have done to innocent Palestinian citizens. Don’t try and paint the conflict as if it just started with a bunch of terrorists deciding to attack civilians.

Go and read the opinion of Israeli historians and moderates on what’s happening now and why.

There is no path to a future of safety and freedom for all Israelis and Palestinians without accountability for this fascist government and an end to the ongoing, untenable status quo of Israel’s apartheid system. Ifnotnow American Jews movement against the apartheid

Catusrusty · 10/10/2023 22:17

There is so much antisemitism dressed up in whataboutery on these threads about Israel.

Hamas have committed utterly indecent, inhuman atrocities in crimes absolutely reminiscent of those perpetrated by other Islamist groups like ISIS.

There is no excuse. None.

Unfortunately antisemitism, like misogyny is still widely accepted by large swathes of society.

hereforthecakeandwine · 10/10/2023 22:18

MindfullyAmazedHorse · 10/10/2023 22:08

AIBU to be sickened by what Hamas terrorists have done to innocent Israeli citizens?

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation. I don’t think anything political can explain what has happened over the last few days.

It is utterly horrendous what Hamas has done. I also think that Hamas are no friend to the Palestinians. They are bringing wrath on them.

I have read that this is the worst attack on innocent Jewish people since the holocaust, which is horrifying.

I am struggling to process these recent events.

Well...duh! Isn't everyone?

redfacebigdisgrace · 10/10/2023 22:18

Reading about the babies being killed at the kibbutz has done it for me.

No “what abouts” …just evil, full stop.

His4Helium · 10/10/2023 22:26

The entire situation is sickening. I don't ever agree with any terrorist action.

I do think GB has blood on its hands with the roots of this

edwinbear · 10/10/2023 22:30

You should really familiarise yourself OP before posting. It’s an extremely complex and difficult situation. Of course it’s horrific and nobody would condone it, but you should educate yourself to the background and the ramifications.

Coffeerum · 10/10/2023 22:30

@Catusrusty There is so much antisemitism dressed up in whataboutery on these threads about Israel.

Can you give an example of this? The only thing I’ve seen that is controversial to some is pointing out Israel’s actions and treatment of Gaza and Palestinian’s, which is not an antisemitic comment.

NotSuchASmugMarried · 10/10/2023 22:32

Catusrusty · 10/10/2023 22:17

There is so much antisemitism dressed up in whataboutery on these threads about Israel.

Hamas have committed utterly indecent, inhuman atrocities in crimes absolutely reminiscent of those perpetrated by other Islamist groups like ISIS.

There is no excuse. None.

Unfortunately antisemitism, like misogyny is still widely accepted by large swathes of society.

This

ChickHenLittle · 10/10/2023 22:32

Coffeerum · 10/10/2023 22:30

@Catusrusty There is so much antisemitism dressed up in whataboutery on these threads about Israel.

Can you give an example of this? The only thing I’ve seen that is controversial to some is pointing out Israel’s actions and treatment of Gaza and Palestinian’s, which is not an antisemitic comment.

This.

SarahLKelp · 10/10/2023 22:34

@Coffeerum in this context it is antisemitism to start "pointing out" other things. Nothing ever exists in a vacuum, you could start "pointing out" behaviours and actions in the case of any atrocity - but why wouldn't you just have pure empathy and sadness and be overwhelmed with horror at what's happened?

Toothyfruity · 10/10/2023 22:35

Wait til you hear what Israel has been up to in the last 2 days.

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MindfullyAmazedHorse · 10/10/2023 22:36

edwinbear · 10/10/2023 22:30

You should really familiarise yourself OP before posting. It’s an extremely complex and difficult situation. Of course it’s horrific and nobody would condone it, but you should educate yourself to the background and the ramifications.

I don’t understand how you can justify this massacre of innocent people?

And I am not uneducated by the way.

I don’t think Hamas give a damn about anything that the Palestinians may have suffered. Do you?

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KS34 · 10/10/2023 22:36

A handful of people think you are unreasonable to be sickened by it, according to the vote. Absolutely revolting.

Circumferences · 10/10/2023 22:37

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation.

I suggest you get familiar then.

Israel have murdered thousands of Palestinians over decades. I'm not surprised they have eventually retaliated.

QuacketyQuack · 10/10/2023 22:37

Israeli air strikes have killed about 300 children

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MindfullyAmazedHorse · 10/10/2023 22:38

Toothyfruity · 10/10/2023 22:35

Wait til you hear what Israel has been up to in the last 2 days.

I have been following the news. I don’t blame the IDF for their reaction. I believe that as well as targeting Hamas terrorists they have tried to help Palestinian civilians too.

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Theimpossiblegirl · 10/10/2023 22:39

Nothing justifies the murder of babies. Hamas are a terrorist group and they have committed awful atrocities.

I feel for the Palestinian people who are now suffering even more as a result of this, but anyone condoning or trying to justify the attacks should be ashamed.

Vilepoliticians · 10/10/2023 22:39

Boshi · 10/10/2023 22:17

‘The worst thing you can say about Hamas, multiplied by a thousand times, and it still will not meet the Israeli repression, and killing, and dispossession of the Palestinians’ Gabor Mate

‘End the inhuman, illegal, criminal blockade of gaza.. which has confided over a million children in the concentration camp’ Norman Finkelstein

If you are going to talk about what Hamas have done to innocent Israeli citizens, there needs to be a recognition of what Israel have done to innocent Palestinian citizens. Don’t try and paint the conflict as if it just started with a bunch of terrorists deciding to attack civilians.

Go and read the opinion of Israeli historians and moderates on what’s happening now and why.

There is no path to a future of safety and freedom for all Israelis and Palestinians without accountability for this fascist government and an end to the ongoing, untenable status quo of Israel’s apartheid system. Ifnotnow American Jews movement against the apartheid

we don’t need to ‘both sides’ it. One group went to a camp and started beheading babies. End of conversation.

Jeez - listen to yourself!!!

NotSuchASmugMarried · 10/10/2023 22:39

QuacketyQuack · 10/10/2023 22:37

Israeli air strikes have killed about 300 children

Blame Hamas then.

Circumferences · 10/10/2023 22:40

I don’t understand how you can justify this massacre of innocent people?

Can you justify Israel murdering thousands upon thousands of Palestinians? Keeping them locked up in Gaza? Bombing schools? Children? Because that's what Israel have been doing.

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MindfullyAmazedHorse · 10/10/2023 22:40

Circumferences · 10/10/2023 22:37

I am not totally familiar with the whole Israeli - Palestinian situation.

I suggest you get familiar then.

Israel have murdered thousands of Palestinians over decades. I'm not surprised they have eventually retaliated.

The Palestinians have not retaliated in this instance - it is an attack by Hamas terrorise who do not give two figs about Palestinian civilians?

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