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Ukraine Invasion: Part 30

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MagicFox · 28/08/2022 09:05

We're now on our 30th thread, thanks as usual to all who contribute.

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Mb76 · 28/08/2022 09:14

Hello,
thank you for keeping this thread going. I’m still here catching up most days but not posting much these days.
im currently on holiday in Germany visiting family. We are about to catch up with my cousin’s family from Irpin who managed to get out with their 4 year old twins in the early days of the war.

MagicFox · 28/08/2022 09:16

Thanks @Mb76, for all your valuable input and the company. Love to your family

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MissConductUS · 28/08/2022 10:24

And thanks to you, @MagicFox , for keeping these threads going. I have a serial thread going and I know how much of a time commitment it is.

The ISW has stated that Russia has run out of men to recruit for the war in the peripheral regions and will now have to focus on central Russia, which will certainly make the war less popular.

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1563759316611616774?s=20&t=22nrx_ypiYufq108NF9ELA

expandabandband · 28/08/2022 11:18

Thank you. I wish we didn’t keep needing more threads

MagicFox · 28/08/2022 11:31

Thanks @MissConductUS , it's my privilege

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EttieWarbler · 28/08/2022 11:37

I just saw this thread in Active Conversations. It hit home how normalised the war has become. In the early weeks I was avidly following your threads and the news, now the war is like background noise. I don't mean to be insensitive, I'm just shocked by how quickly it became Something Terrible in a Foreign Land for so many Brits.

Natsku · 28/08/2022 12:07

Thanks for the new thread

MagicFox · 28/08/2022 12:20

EttieWarbler · 28/08/2022 11:37

I just saw this thread in Active Conversations. It hit home how normalised the war has become. In the early weeks I was avidly following your threads and the news, now the war is like background noise. I don't mean to be insensitive, I'm just shocked by how quickly it became Something Terrible in a Foreign Land for so many Brits.

I know, but this is so short sighted. We are going to be affected, we are affected. This isn't just somewhere out there, and it may come even closer to us so we need to understand it. I do find it really surprising that it's not being more widely discussed

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EdithStourton · 28/08/2022 13:10

Thanks for the new thread. I don't post, but I do read.

LoveLarry · 28/08/2022 13:18

Thanks for the new thread

blueshoes · 28/08/2022 13:37

@MagicFox thanks for the new thread and for all contributors and lurkers.

This war should not be background noise. We take our warm beds (well maybe not so warm this winter) for granted.

blueshoes · 28/08/2022 13:48

Copied from Ijsbear's key takeaways from the previous thread.

⚡️ The Guardian: 50,000 Ukrainian refugees in UK can lose homes next year.
Ministers are refusing the new support packages to Homes for Ukraine sponsors, according to The Guardian. A total of 83,900 refugees have arrived under the Homes for Ukraine scheme since March.

⚡️ Almost half of Ukrainian refugees in UK find jobs.
42% of Ukrainian refugees in the U.K. are employed, compared to 9% that were employed in April, according to the U.K. Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Here is the Guardian article - sober reading. I guess everyone was hoping the war would be over by now and they'd be able to go back.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/28/50000-ukrainian-refugees-in-uk-facing-homelessness-disaster-next-year-homes-for-ukraine

It is great that the Ukrainian refugees are finding employment. This will allow them some normality as they wait out the war.

RoseWineandCake · 28/08/2022 13:57

Thank you @MagicFox and all those who regularly post. I have been following from thread 1 and you have directed me to a lot of great people to follow on twitter to stay updated and really appreciate all the insight, views and information you all share.

autumn1610 · 28/08/2022 15:32

Thank you for the new thread really appreciate those who contribute

newnamenewnew · 28/08/2022 16:19

@Ijsbear the other thread is closed so I couldn't reply - just to confirm that no it isn't clear to me at all and if you don't want to explain that is fine, but at the same time without any explanation I can't give it consideration either. If you are saying you couldn't give details because it would give away locations then that is fine, but it is a bit of cheek to suggest that I was after those details, as I had no clue what you were talking about. To be clear, no I was not interested in those details. In relation to your other comments they are bigger issues and I will reply another time. I appreciate that you are from Ukraine as you have said before. I am from the UK and have not been to either Ukraine or Russia.

blueshoes · 28/08/2022 16:41

@newnamenewnew Ijsbear has a long posting history on mn and this thread in particular, quoting every single day with a round up from reliable sources and feeding into discussions. She is wise to be cautious about a newname poster that rocks up casting aspersions and demanding evidence.

So who are you?

blueshoes · 28/08/2022 16:43

@newnamenewnew this is the first time I am using this expression on anyone.

RTFT, all 30 of them, for your evidence.

54isanopendoor · 28/08/2022 16:47

placematting (thread 30? how depressing that the war is still rolling on)

katem98 · 28/08/2022 17:54

Thanks for the new threw @MagicFox.

Ijsbear · 28/08/2022 18:12

I m not Ukrainian. Although our house is now known as "little Ukraine" locally

PerkingFaintly · 28/08/2022 18:19

Brew to keep us all going.

OwlsDance · 28/08/2022 18:28

Ukraine can't reach Kerch Bridge (the one from mainland Russia to Crimea). It's not an issue though, they'll reach all that equipment once it gets to mainland Ukraine...

Regarding the 3rd army unit - they were meant to get 15000, but the recruitment was going so slowly, in the end I think they ended up with 10000. Some volunteers who signed contracts at the beginning, started to leave as they don't get paid good money until they're actually on the front line. Lots of reports of drunken soldiers around Mulino, where they are being trained.

MissConductUS · 28/08/2022 18:32

The WSJ ran an article today about the all "volunteer" third Army the Russians are training. What I don't understand is why they didn't give this newer kit to the professional soldiers originally. Now, if they actually send it to Ukraine, it will be in the hands of raw recruits.

www.wsj.com/articles/russia-moves-to-reinforce-its-stalled-assault-on-ukraine-11661686452?mod=hp_lead_pos9

Russia Moves to Reinforce Its Stalled Assault on Ukraine - More modern equipment on its way to the front, but analysts don’t expect a major shift in the military balance

KYIV, Ukraine—Russia is moving to significantly bolster its forces in Ukraine as its campaign to secure territory in the country’s east and south stalls ahead of planned plebiscites on annexation by Russia.

A series of volunteer battalions formed in recent weeks across Russia is preparing to deploy to Ukraine, officials and military analysts say, including a major new ground-forces formation called the 3rd Army Corps intended to shore up a new offensive in eastern Ukraine and reinforce troops holding off a Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south.

Footage posted online purporting to show the 3rd Army Corps training at a Russian military base in Mulino, some 250 miles east of Moscow, displays modern weaponry of a kind rarely deployed to Ukraine, analysts say. However, the U.S.-based think tank the Institute for the Study of War played down the formation’s chances of shifting the military balance in Ukraine, saying in a Saturday report that “better equipment does not necessarily make more effective forces when the personnel are not well-trained or disciplined.”

Conflict Intelligence Team, an open-source investigative group, on Saturday posted photographs of Russian military equipment on railcars, including Buk surface-to-air missile systems and T-90 tanks, that it said were heading to Russia’s border with eastern Ukraine, citing train data published by Russia’s railways service.

The push to shore up Russia’s forces comes as Moscow’s campaign in Ukraine continues to stall and the Kremlin scrambles to find fresh troops willing to help it regain momentum in a war now in its seventh month. It also comes as Kyiv continues strikes against Russian military infrastructure on occupied territory.

In parallel to a nationwide recruitment campaign aimed at filling the undertrained battalions, Kremlin-linked military companies in Russia such as Wagner Group, which have led major offensives in eastern Ukraine, are scouring Russia’s prisons for inmates willing to fight, according to human-rights workers and Russian media.

In May, Russia scrapped the age limit for first-time recruits, allowing citizens over 40 to sign up. On Thursday, President Vladimir Putin ordered Russia’s military to increase its ranks by 137,000 soldiers starting in 2023, increasing the number of troops to 1.15 million from 1.01 million, according to official figures.

Retired U.S. Navy Admiral James Stavridis, appearing on Sunday’s telecast of NBC’s “Meet the Press,” said the troop situation reflects Russia’s dire straits and could encourage Ukraine to mount a major counteroffensive soon.

“Now [Mr. Putin] needs to bring new troops just to fight,” said Mr. Stavridis, who formerly served as the supreme allied commander of NATO. “On the strategic level, I think he’s failed in this war. I don’t see him recovering, but he still wants to focus on taking Donbas. That is his new objective and he needs new soldiers to do that.”

But the campaign to expand the military’s ranks has caused tension. In Mulino, a town of around 13,000 where the 3rd Army Corps has been training new recruits, residents have been taking to social media to complain about the men wandering the streets drunk after dark and harassing local women.

“The whole village is suffering because of these volunteers,” a woman identifying herself as Ksenia Glotova wrote on Russian social network VK recently. “They walk around in groups and harass. It would be one thing if they were being trained and stayed on their base. But they’re walking around drunk from 11 a.m.”

“They’re proud of the fact they’re going there [to Ukraine],” another user, Yekaterina Horoshavina, wrote. “They say they’re going to defend us, but based on what we’ve seen we won’t be sleeping very calmly.”

As its forces in the east steel for an intensified Russian push, Ukraine has continued to target military infrastructure in areas occupied by Russian forces. On Sunday, the exiled mayor of Russian-held Melitopol in the south, Ivan Fedorov, said a Ukrainian strike had hit a major Russian military base on the territory of a car factory in the city.

“The enemy is feeling uneasy on our territory,” Mr. Fedorov said in a TV interview on Sunday. “We’re banking on them soon leaving our temporarily occupied Melitopol in a gesture of goodwill.”

Russia didn’t immediately comment on the alleged Ukrainian strike in Melitopol, which comes as Russian-installed officials in the surrounding Zaporizhzhia region and neighboring Kherson continue preparations for what they are referring to as referendums on the question of joining Russia. Ukraine has denounced the plans as an illegal effort to annex Ukrainian territory, and officials in Kyiv have said residents will effectively be voting at gunpoint.

The war in Ukraine’s east has settled into a violent stalemate, with Russia’s troops exhausted by grinding offensives and Ukrainian resistance. The Ukrainians aim to stymie the Russians in the east and probe in the south in search of a breakthrough.

In recent days there has also been mounting tension around Europe’s largest nuclear-power plant. Repeated shelling in the vicinity of the Zaporizhzhia plant culminated in an outage on Thursday that officials in Moscow and Kyiv blamed on each other.

Ukrainian workers at the plant reconnected two reactors on Friday as inspectors from the U.N.’s nuclear agency prepared for an emergency visit this week following months of wrangling over access to the facility, which is under Russian occupation.

Ukraine’s nuclear-energy regulator Energoatom said on Saturday that Russia had continued shelling the site over the past day. “The damage is currently being investigated,” it said. Russia has said Ukraine is behind the shelling.

Ijsbear · 28/08/2022 19:15

@@newnamenewnew

That there has been overwhelming amounts of evidence in Russia's invasion of Ukraine from Bucha, Irpin, from the many videos smuggled out of Mariupol, from verified reports all over, for the last 6 months. Plenty of reports have been shown in the UK.

Asking "where is the evidence?!" now comes over as disingenuous, whether you meant it that way or not.

Any genuine questions, I'm happy to answer as long as it's not too time consuming. But I don't have much patience for subtle Russian misinformation tactics, of which there have been quite a few on this thread over time. If you're genuine, then my apologies.

minsmum · 28/08/2022 19:27

mobile.twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1563877241779621888 ST set to cancel expedited travel visas with Russia