The invisible men project(1000 Posts)
I think it's important that the buyers' choices in prostitution are highlighted and shared. This project was linked to on FB. Thoughts? I think it's a great idea.
Ooh, is someone trying to impersonate posters here in order to make us look bad? How desperate.
You don't have to invent quotes from punters to make them look bad. Simply collecting their true thoughts like the link in OP makes a very good anti-prostitution (anti punter?) argument.
What a massive surprise. And the usual previously banned poster who seems a bit obsessed with radfems attacking prostitutes...
thedoctorine yes of course and those issues should be tackled.
Prostitutes should be helped leave the industry.
Anyfucker I have never nor do I intend to use a prostitute in my life.
I have friends in the police force and family members who work for social services. Basically a lot of girls will refuse to leave because the money is good and they've come to rely on it.
Hence I started to research a bit more on the matter.
I just don't buy 'prostitutes are victims and the punters are abusers.'
As for paedophiles, the sentencing is not enough!!
Suspended sentences,community service are utter BS.
Do you think that fact that a number of prostitutes have those issues makes it less likely that the vast vast majority are willingly in the job?
Oh my god I wish I had never read that. Truly despicable.
That is chilling.
I just don't understand why so many people feel the need to defend the sex industry. People who claim not to use it but somehow take umbrage at the idea that an industry which they consider the lowest of the low might just be a last resort for the women who work in it.
arse if you really think that if your daughter became a prostitute then you would have failed her, what makes you think that the women who do have not been failed by someone? A neglectful or abusive parent, a violent partner. There is more than one way to skin a cat and 'willingness' to sell one's body is unlikely to have been an uncomplicated choice. Why is it so hard to admit that?
Catlike thanks for all your comments on this thread which have been so insightful.
There are over 80,000 field reports on punternet.
That site has picked out only 16 of the worst ones.
Doesn't that tell you it is a problem with a small minority of individuals who aren't representative of the typical punter?
mrsjupiter would have failed to show my daughter that there are more ways to earn money than selling your body.
IF she came from an abusive background, then how come others from a similar background are not prostitutes.
Why cant you admit that most prostitutes do enter the industry 'willingly' because of the money.
What proportion of prostitutes would have to come from an abusive background before you thought this was a problem? 30%? 50%? 70%?
How many of the 80,000 did you read to get the impression that these are 16 of the worst?
IF she came from an abusive background, then how come others from a similar background are not prostitutes?
arse you are a man and apparently don't use prostitutes, yet some men do. Get the idea? People are all different. That doesn't mean you can abuse them and think it is alright because they don't know any better.
So are you saying that 100% of people who come from an abusive background would need to become prostitutes before you thought that might be a factor in the willing choice argument?
I'm a happily married man, if it might help, knowing someone is only having sex with me because of money is not something that has ever appealed to me and probably most men too.
Of course they know they are other jobs better, but they are just choosing an easy way out. If they are CHOOSING to enter into prostitution, how is that even abuse.
Would you say men who decides to work as gay prostitutes are victims, most probably not.
No I am saying "how come others from a similar background are not prostitutes?"
"How come other men choose to visit prostitutes others don't?"
Both cases they are choosing the easy way out. The former instead of getting yourself out of the situation through hard work, they choose to sell their body because they can get more money.
The latter instead of working on the reason why they dont connect with people, they choose the easy way out of paying someone for sex.
My point in this thread is punters and prostitutes are as bad as each other.
I think it's patronising to women to say prostitutes who CHOOSE to enter the industry are victims on the basis of they are women. Then how can we trust women to run society if they are capable of making wrong decision.
My belief is people are individuals regardless of sex. Some make good decisions some do not. And prostitution fall as a bad decision.
Yes, I think men who work as gay prostitutes are likely to be from similar backgrounds re abuse etc.
"How can we trust women to run society if they are capable of making the wrong decision?" - Did you really just post that? On FWR? Yowser.
Yeah...I'm struggling a bit with that sentence too snatch I think it was meant to be said with sarcasm or irony or something? Still trying to figure out which way is less offensive...
Why has this thread about the punters become about the women? Is it easier for some to identify with the former rather than the latter?
The link in the op is horrendous, but needed. I don't think most women know what a sizeable minority of men think about them as a group. Although, they get a fair glimpse via FWR, it has to be said.
Coal because yanno it's all about choice and precious agency so as long as the punters and their lapdogs can convince themselves the women chose it, it doesn't matter that the punters are disgusting, that the women are treated like shit or the effect it has on the women or wider society.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
The former instead of getting yourself out of the situation through hard work
You have just said this on a feminism board when it is FACT that women are still paid less than men.
There are many women who are working hard in jobs like care work supermarkets and cleaners who will NEVER be paid enough to "get out of a situation" as you put it.
So your post betrays your political leanings as well as your gender biased ones.
My post is directed at arsenal
Darkeyes How does the rate of pay affect the decision to enter into prostitution?
There are also many men who work hard who will NEVER be paid enough, the rate of pay among low income is another thread on its own.
However being should not be a reason to enter into prostitution unless you want an easy way out.
Doctorine and Lion Then how can we trust women to run society if they are capable of making wrong decision. sorry if you cant understand what I meant by that.
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