Does anyone remember my threads from early in the year? Well...
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I could do with a bit of advice.
Again.
The short version goes like this:-
DH depressed for 2 years. Became emotionally abusive last year while I was pregnant with dc3. Everything was my fault he would scream at me, headbutt walls next to me, blame me for ruining his life. And so on and on.
I finally had enough and with an awful lot of support from MN asked him to leave - for the sake of my mental health and the children.
He changed his medication, changed therapist and moved back in just before dc3 was born. I told him that if he shouted or scared me once more he was gone. And he never has.
Over the Summer things were shaky and I spent a lot of time away with the children. DH started CBT which had dramatic, positive results. When September came and I was home again he was like a different man.
It was like my old DH had come home and we were a team again. Things were really good. We started dating when we could get a babysitter, and he started doing nice little things for me, and actually thinking about what I want instead of just his needs.
So here is the last bit. In the last couple of weeks he has been slipping again. I've caught him out in some small and pointless lies, he seems weighed down and very low. He admits that he is struggling.
And I can't go through the last year again. It was unbearable. I can't begin to describe how I felt, all the pressure of keeping things normal - I thought my head would pop.
He knows that I will leave him if he steps over the line. I know that he needs my help. He wants to talk about things - which is great and productive and necessary. But I don't want to. The suggestion that he is slipping makes me feel so angry with him.
How dare he let himself go back to that place after everything I did for him and everything he did to me?!
But that's not helpful.
So here is the question:-
How can I help him when his illness makes me feel so hurt?
How can I help him when I am aware that he used my help in the past as a rod to beat me?
How can I listen to him when I feel so angry about having to do this again?
Ok, that was more than one question, but you see where I'm going - the main one really is how can I help him and protect me?
I don't want to be flamed for this. I'd have put this in AIBU if I did.
I don't want judgement for staying with this man either. I believe this could work (and even if I'm wrong I still have to try).
I read through the previous threads I started and I don't recognise him or me in them anymore.
Could someone wave a magic wand please and just make this all better?
TIA
Glad you feel better today

It sounds positive with your DH
He knows what he has to do and what he can do so sounds like its going in the right direction
Its good that he is being honest and talking to you
Hi Nifty, it has passed, I'm ok.
He was very good. Acknowledged where he was going wrong and we talked about things he could do to improve. He also admitted some very strong urges to selfharm - which I know he struggles to admit to - so that was good to be able to support him there.
We decided to see how the therapy goes over the next couple of weeks and discuss his lack of personal responisibility with his therapist.
We discussed the mistake-apology-forgiveness-samemistake pattern that he has. And how I was going to break the cycle and force him to take responsibility by withholding forgiveness until behaviour is improved. He got a bit panicky (as he usually gets stuck in saying sorry over and over and can't move on until I forgive him, or do anything at all) but I said I would still be there for him to help him move forwards, I just would be waiting for evidence that he was sorry rather than just the words.
There was lots of other stuff. All productive. So that's good.
Just think I needed a moment to collapse after the intensity of it all.
Much better today, honestly

How are you?
Just seen your post youknow
you o.k??????????????????????
what did your dh say?
Argh.
Feeling suddenly low for no reason.
Had a good talk with dh.
Can I just cry for a bit now?
c'estlavie, all good advice. I just bought the Anne Sheffield book, the chapter on DCs was invaluable. I was glad that I had already implemented a lot of the things in it. I will always take them away. I will always put them first.
I will.
At least he does see it, that is true. I think I'm going to have a big talk with him about therapy tonight. Hopefully we can find a solution.
Sorry your H is the same. Wish we could bang their stupid heads together.
You deserve a medal for doing all this for 7 years. You must be an incredibly strong person

"He was crying in front of the DCs (really >quite hysterically) I saw that they were >scared and went to shepherd them away and >comfort them, but he grabbed my arm and >said "Don't walk away from me" (not in an >angry way, but self-pityingly). I whipped >my arm away and snapped "Let go"."
you need to spell it out to him - if you begin crying in front of the DCs i will take them out of the room.
tell him: you have two options when you feel like crying:
one - you take yourself away to some place where it wont upset the DCs
two - you dont take yourself away you can be sure I will move myself and them.
(have plans on where you could go? in the car some place? tio visit friend?
he has to acknowledge the impact he is having on the DCs and take steps.
it is not THEIR depression it is his.
he has no right to impose it on the DCS.
you can choose to stay with him thru this and support him but always always think of the DCS. put them first. you can work to mitigate the impact on them.
read the chapter in Anne Sheffield's book "depression fallout" on the impact on children of depression in a parent. the long term impact of growing up with this negative behaviour.
it says how they can grow up if they dont get shown love and care attention from happy positive people.
you need to set your own clear boundaries and have escape plans for you and kids when he is demanding and needy.
you did the right thing in walking away. you will need to do this time and time again til he gets it.
he can behave to himself how he likes; if you chose to sit and support him fine - but never in front of the DCs.
what is the worst he can do to himself? harm himself? his choice at the end of the day...
he was wrong in grabbing you - reminds me so much of my exP.
i had to walk away with dcs at times, really not knowing if he would harm himself radically...but it reached a point where the dcs came first.
a person will harm themselves anyway if they want to. it is within their control - not yours.
you are in control of what your children will witness.
yes your dh has stopped taking on the responsibiliy to fix himself
And yes that is being lazy
letting someone else do it for him
H is the same
BUT at least your Dh admits that, knows that and acknowldeges it
from what you have said he would`nt have done a while back ......so that in is a improvement........jut not the one you wanted to hear

Just spoken to DH and he admits that since he started therapy he has been thinking along the lines of, "I won't bother working through that, it'll be fixed in therapy"

Very upset as this is exactly what he promised me he wouldn't do when he restarted seeing a therapist.
So all the work he was doing, the progress he made, was thrown away by laziness and his attitude of "someone else can do it for me"
I'm not angry, just so disappointed. I know it's hard. But he was doing it (finally) and he just stopped.
Not fair, is it? Dh is depressed but can now be thoughtful and loving, whereas previously he could only be selfish and cruel. There's no logic to it. I even found myself making a timeline of incidents, on Saturady

to see if I could see any pattern of behaviour, but there wasn't one. Other than a constant need to dramatise everything every once in a while, it all seems random.
If it made sense, if there was a pattern, if there was a definite end to it all, then things would be so much easier.