TTC for 10+ months, part 10

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princesschick Mon 17-Sep-12 12:21:10

A very friendly and supportive thread for those taking way longer than they had ever expected to make a baby.

GinSoaked Sun 04-Nov-12 12:37:08

Hi ladies, it's been a roller coaster week round here, so me me me post coming up I'm afraid.

The follicles are all progressing well and EC is booked for Tuesday but I'm at risk of ohss sad My estrodial (sp) level yesterday was 8000, so v high. I've had another blood test today and depending on the result may have to do burselin tonight as a trigger rather than hcg and they'll then have to freeze any embryos and do a FET at some point in the future. I would much rather this than put myself as risk of ohss, but it is disappointing and I'm terrified of ohss. The whole point of going to create is that this wouldn't happen.

This combined with potential bleeding issues means that I've vowed never to do ivf again. I just don't think it's for me. Obviously please please don't let this put anyone else off! I just seem to be in the unlucky minority for these things.

Rather miserable hugs to you all.

buzzybee123 Sun 04-Nov-12 13:24:52

ginsuper big hugs I am so sorry you are having such a shit time with it all

mrsden Sun 04-Nov-12 13:28:27

oh gin, I think this is very common. My clinic has warned me that this is a very possible scenario for me because of my age and being slim. They said that they would abandon transfer and do a frozen transfer later on as it sounds like has been suggested to you. But, I'm sure I've read somewhere that fet can be more likely to work than fresh so the outcome might be better. And it's far better to avoid the ohss than try to push on with transfer. I know it's crap though then when you think of what's happening to your body and the thought of not even getting an embryo on board straight away. I'm sure the clinic are monitoring you closely and have your health as the priority. Take care today and I'm keeping everything crossed for good results.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 04-Nov-12 14:58:01

Wow mellow that would be menkul-central. Are you regular-ish? I have never tested before 15dpo, so I don't know when tests go positive (2 negatives and 1 positive over 2 years of trying, I am restrained). But I thought they'd say test every 3 days or so, if AF is late? But that might just be the test manufacturers wink. Keep us posted in any case!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 04-Nov-12 15:00:27

Got to the next page:
Oh gin I am so sorry. Keeping everything crossed for less extreme numbers today. It does mean you are responding ridiculously well. I agree with mrsd that the most important thing is to avoid OHSS. I also understand that serious consequences are much more likely if you go get pregnant this cycle. If you are overstimulating, than giving your body time to recover is the most important thing.

mrsmellow Sun 04-Nov-12 15:11:25

gin I'm so sorry to hear that- such a worry and a headache. As if IVF isn't complicated enough. I too have heard that FET has a greater success, so maybe this is just going to work out better? But will keep my fingers crossed that the estradiol is better today (would that mean you'd go on with hcg etc as planned?) My Dr is very worried about OHSS for me as well, - because of PCO and my AMH is relatively high which increases the risk, so she's tailored the stims to be relatively low, but wants to observe v closely. The things we do, eh hmm

lemon I am not regularish in any shape or form , but had a scan on CD19, over 2 weeks ago that indicated I was ovulating and normally my luteal phase is 14 days (follicle scanning on letrozole told me that). I don't know - the balance of probability is that I'm not, but anxiety about IVF has delayed onset of bleeding. If nothing happens by Thurs or Friday, I'll test. I have a blood form for hcg from Dr which would be more accurate, so will do that if test negative as well perhaps!

akuabadoll Sun 04-Nov-12 16:15:32

Just popping in to say sorry this is so complicated for you gin , perhaps FET will be the answer for you. As if things aren't difficult enough though. What a pain and a worry for you. Thinking of you, keep us posted.

Oh and mellow thanks for hunting for that article for me. We had a talk with an Iranian friend on Skype yesterday which was of some help but it is a messy situation, we will have to decide before knowing about two other posts, one we want but there is a lot of competion for and one we really don't want but they are ready snap Ken up. We came here at short notice, victims of geo-political events, the move shelved plans for a second adoption, this move would put an end to that for good, which is, obviously, a big deal for us. Also, like here, it's not the most obvious spot for a mixed-race family. Anyway a lot of issues big and small. It has also transpired that I would be rendered unemployable as due to the sensitive working environment Ken's employer would not tolerate me working for anyone at all in-country. So we have said we will consider based on two posts not one, so that's the first step. Life, eh?
Hope that period shows up, or err not wink

sarlat Sun 04-Nov-12 17:45:17

Doll - sorry for the bloating. Good luck for Monday. You have some very difficult decisions to make indeed regarding moving and jobs. You always seem so calm. I just hope you get everything you want and deserve very soon.

Lemon - thank you for your kind words. It's wonderful to hear how well you are doing. Hooray to the spending and yes please to the brownies.

Critter - your crumble sounds devine.

Mellow - another baker - your house will smell lush. Gosh, I would be mentalling too. Will be watching closley.

Gin - gosh what shocking bad luck you have had. I'm so sorry that OHSS is a real threat. By the way your posts are never "me me me". I can understand why you don't want to go through IVF again. Lets face it, it is hard enough even when everything goes smoothly. I am glad they have identified this potential problem now so your health will be the their main priority. If you do need to have FET, this could actually be a very positive thing for you. I have much better memories of my natural cycle FET (which I'm sure would be possible for you) compared to my fresh transfer. So we will wait to see what the blood tests says. I am right here holding your hand.

Having a perculiar cycle here - had strong ovulation pains from cd 6 ish and EWCM from CD 8. Today is CD 9 and feel ovulation is going to happen within 2- 3 days. Also got lots of tummy grumbly sensations. Maybe an endo thing which may get diagnosed soon at lap. Never mind. I guess this is all normal but we notice these little curve balls more than most people.

rabbitonthemoon Sun 04-Nov-12 18:30:51

Happy Sunday 10plus festival dwellers smile. I've missed so much but am feeling quite a bit better than a few weeks ago. 'twas a yuk slump I struggled to pull myself out of. But the past ten days have been filled with so many lovely family things and magical days and its mended me rather nicely. I wish I could tell it all, but I still worry about being outed on here as I have two friends who use MN a lot and one who is on the conception boards confused I don't find this time of year easy as I'm not a winter lover bit I read a really good yoga article that made me feel all warm and woo about things grin

gin I'm so sorry to hear that this ivf is being uber challenging again, big squeeze to you, I bet you're feeling really fed up. But, I echo other people on here that an fet might be the right thing for you, when your body is all in balance. I hope you aren't in too much pain and that the hospital are lovely to you.

doll wow big decisions, you really are amazing for going through ivf and weighing up big life story choices. I hope you arrive at the place that makes most sense soon.

artemis hope you are feeling less rubbish? And nelly did you do jabbing? mellow hold handing and gentle billy bass tunes to soothe you through the menkuls.

I have read back quite far and want to say a huge big love to all you ladies going through ivf. I am in awe of your bravery and wish I could see you in person and dole out rocky road and macarons.

lemon I'm so glad to hear that you are feeling perkier.

pout yay!!! grin I did do missing of you. Hurrah for craft extravaganza.

sarlat I had a few early hatches this year after the op. the human body is a complex and contrary creature!

princess my god to scary farts and sick buckets. I edit out the indignities of growing another human inside you. There is no need to fret about your posts offending. You are part of Fred and I'm a bit head scratchy about why people feel they need to leave (beyond not wanting to think or talk of ttc ever again! i get that smile) I second whoever said we should all be able to stay together. I find it quite uplifting to hear from those on the other side. Also, we all have every right to grumble about the bits of pregnancy that are grim. I've often thought that it must be extra awful for women who try for ages who get pnd - as if we don't get to feel that because we wanted it for longer? But this is a gripe from something a relative said to me but you know want I mean?

Well I wave enthusiastically to people missed, you are not forgotten. I will endeavour to be more chatty now I've done solitary in the tent. I still don't know what happened last month but no matter which cynical part of me tries to dismiss it as a duff test etc, there are just too many things that all point to egg and sperm meeting. There was some quite horrid stuff that left my womble too :-S I can't remember if I said but my acu had written in my notes from when I saw her at 11dpo that she had strongly suspected pregnancy and I found that a bit spooky. She says she almost always knows. Strange strange strange. My first impulse was to go down the immune testing but actually I'm still not ready. I'm going to see my gp about level 1 testing before I see Dr Big in January though. And I'm taking low dose aspirin. Oddly I've not and cold feet since taking it? Maybe that's imagined though. I'm now annoying back in the tww again but hold little interest in it given its taken 19 cycles to get a miniscule blink and you'll miss it maybe. Ho hum.

mellow thank you a hundred times for your insights into immunes - they were really helpful to me and made a lot of rational sense.

We are doing one of Jamie's 90 15 minute dinners, chicken and bacon and potato gratin with peas and leeks. I say we but I have abandoned Hare and am typing on Mumsnet. I hope we get a bfp in the added time bit of the thread.

EuroShagmore Sun 04-Nov-12 20:30:22

pout it's good to see you reemerge. I hope the wait for IVF isn't too long.

Gin I'm sorry you are at risk of overstimming. At least it sounds like Create is being cautious about it. One of my friends did conventional IVF and produced 36 eggs. She must have overstimmed, but they kept going anyway.

Charlotte, yep, I ovulate and they have no idea what is going on. Downregging is the first step of conventional IVF - inducing a temporary menopause. The second step is stimming - stimulating the ovaries to produce lots of eggs. I didn't get that far. And having seen the drug-induced menopause effects, I think Mr Euro might be running for the hills before the real one kicks in! Mild IVF doesn't require downregging and uses lower doses of stimming drugs to produce just a few eggs. And natural just takes the egg you produce monthly if you ovulate and does IVF with that. Have you had any tests yet? BTW, temp charting can give you a good indication as to whether or not you are ovulating.

Princess you make pregnancy sound sooooo inviting. ;)

sarlat I know what you mean. I look at my peers and (without wishing to seem arrogant) I am frankly in pretty good shape. How can I not manage to carry a child? The outside doesn't reflect the broken inside.

doll that all sounds very interesting but terribly complicated! What a lot to think about.

joycep that's really interesting. Would you mind saying which dr you are seeing (by PM if you don't want to say on here)?

Critter my wedding album is still sitting in the office, more than 2 years after my wedding. It has never made it home.

rabbit I'm so happy that you are feeling better. It really does sound like something happened last month. You WILL get there.

rabbitonthemoon Sun 04-Nov-12 21:10:47

Ha ha euro about mr euro running to the hills. I can be such a cow with pmt, god help us when the menopause hits.

heart I never said a big phew about the scan. What a relief for you and I'm so glad.

joyce I got bv once when I left a Tampax in blush I had to have the evil antibiotics and ignored the wait 48 hours until the biotics had finished to drink rule and was so fucking ill! I puked for a whole day! But it was really awful, the <cringe> smell and was a pretty much constant. Touch wood I never have it again! But isn't post shag cm always a bit yak smelling? Fascinating to see under the microscope though. And it is something you can feel you've fully explored, I admire your detective ways. I'm more ostrich like!

joycep Mon 05-Nov-12 08:25:21

Gin - oh my goodness, what rotten luck you have had. It must be really horrible for you. It sounds like they are keeping a watchful eye over you and by the sounds of it FET sounds a good thing to do in these circumstances. Big hug and look after yourself.

Rabbit - lovely to have you back on board. Last month was a particularly bad head fuck for you so it's no wonder it knocked you off your perch. Really weird about your acu person but good ones can tell by your pulse what cycle day you are on so I wonder whether they can tell if you are pregnant by your pulse.

Sar - i thought i may have had endo because of my morning back pain and because of the weird pains i get through my cycle...which i have say i have only noticed since ttc. Anyway, i am sure you don't have it. I think really painful periods are one of the big signs.

Doll - goodness you have some huge decisions going on at the moment and juggling all that with ivf.

Lemon - it's great you are in such a better place at the moment. Does mrlemon go with you to the counselling session?

Buzzy - so the antibiotic i am on are: metrondozole, doxycycline and azithromycin.

on the smell of sex...what a lovely thing to discuss on monday morning. I could tell when a friend had had sex at uni because there is definitely a sex smell but it wasn't fishy! I remember talking to a friend about that fishy thing and she had never smelt it before. I can shower and it is still pretty potent when i wee for the next 24hrs. It sounds like quite a few get it on here so perhaps it is nothing at all and as CRitter says, perhaps it's just a chemical reaction. it's something to do with the ph thing. I will be interested to see if it disappears after i have finished my antibiotics. We can't have unprotected sex until we have finished antibs and i have to say i much prefer having condoms back in the mix. So much cleaner and less fluff!

akuabadoll Mon 05-Nov-12 10:40:51

Lovely to see you rabbit and great that you have been having good times. So 2ww, what fun... speaking of waiting mellow what is the situation?

Any update gin ? Hope you are ok.

And artemis how are you getting on with the simms? The first 2 or 3 days I didn't really feel anything, since then a bit bloated and uncomfortable. Last night only, completely out of my mind crazy feeling, had to go to bed as I was worse than useless. Anyway, in my case all over not much. Seems in all likelihood the right ovary has not responded at all, cannot be found. Left side has 3 follies. Predictable old bird response on one side but seriously they should both be giving it a shot. Crap in the context - two months ago, both sides active with a total of 3 big follies minus the 100s of dollars of drugs and feeling shit. Meh. Onwards. Next scan Friday, predicted EC early next week.

I learnt something completely related yesterday. 3 year olds can rock climb. Like real rock climb on natural rock in harness, roped in. <ridiculous proud mama face>

Waves to all, happy Monday...

CritterPants Mon 05-Nov-12 16:49:42

doll amazing that your three year-old is rock climbing - that is pretty incredible! I'm sorry that you're starting to feel the negative mood swing craziness. And sorry about the scan. All I would say is that it isn't over until the fat lady sings, and things can change really fast down there - perhaps your ovaries will start to spring into action a bit more by the time of your next scan? I know how frustrating it is when nothing seems to be happening, but you still have a whole week to go until EC. Perhaps sar's protein and hot water bottle prescription could come in handy? If nothing else, it's an excuse to eat lots of cheese! smile Sorry if that's unhelpful. Also, how incredibly stressful about Ken's job. I hope you get the post that is right for the two of you.

joy keep us posted on what happens after you finish the antibiotics. grin I would not talk about this stuff with anyone (apart from maybe my sister and a couple of VERY close friends) - love that we're all chatting away about it here!

gin I am SO sorry that this has happened. I think mrsd's advice was spot on - like her, my doctor also warned me that this was a distinct possibility and said that if it happened to me, they'd just do an FET. He didn't seem that concerned about it, but it's interesting that he mentioned it in advance. I can only second what everyone else has said - much better that you rest now and the frosties are put back in when your body is ready to welcome them. Apparently the pregnancy hormones can make OHSS much worse, which is why they have to be conservative about things. I know you are probably feeling ghastly at the moment, though - I remember after my cancelled cycle the abrupt drop in hormones made me feel absolutely awful. Gentle paw squeeze. Hope you are ok.

rabbit I've already talked about my lost tampon experience here so won't go into it again blush but suffice to say I too have had the pleasure of experiencing that smell. Yak. Really interesting about your acupuncturist - that is spooky indeed. As euro said, it does sound like something happened this month and that can only be progress. I'm sorry this is so frustrating and stressful and I'm glad to see you cautiously emerging from the burrow.

euro that makes me feel a little better on the wedding album - I didn't get one made to save money, but am now seeing why people don't often get around to doing them - what a faff! Nice to have a little project though.

mellow what a headf**k. I hope you're ok.

sar sorry about the weird cycle. That does sound odd. Anything new on it today?

lemon good for you for running and out-endurancing SB. The raspberry cheesecake brownies sounded so delicious that I started to google for a recipe. And well done on getting nice dresses, that always cheers me up too - asos is my go-to - I love their ponti (sp?) style dresses - cheap and flattering!

Strange atmosphere here as we gear up ahead of the election tomorrow. MrCritter is all nervous and tetchy. We were watching American football on Saturday at a friend's flat post-potluck (well I wasn't watching it really, just admiring how dressed up to the nines all the Southern female college football fans were) and there was political ad after political ad in the breaks. All a bit depressing and exhausting. In other news, I ended up doing a pear and blackberry tart instead of a crumble because I wanted to try out a puff pastry recipe, and it worked a treat. smile

No other news here - I'm not ovulating, just getting enormous spots (MrC nicknamed the most recent one 'Mount Vesuvius', charming) and I was getting an itchy rash too until I stopped taking all my weird herbal supplements. hmm So just chilling and enjoying booze and blue cheese until January.

GinSoaked Mon 05-Nov-12 18:43:51

Hi all. As ever thanks so much for the words of support. You are such a great bunch and I'm sooo pleased that I found you all!

My hormones were slightly better yesterday apparently, with a reading of 9900. This is obviously still really high but I was able to do 1 trigger shot. They said FET may still be required, but we'd see how things go tomorrow at EC. I'd rather do FET than put myself as risk of ohss (or make it worse) and also I wonder if it may be better as I FET so shitty last time. I've got to the stage whereby I'd rather be well and not pregnant than pregnant with ohss, which sounds hideous. I suspect that our crisp embryos won't do great at freezing but hey ho. My e2 must have been high last time as I only had the 1 trigger shot, but no one told me...

Anyway, 'nough about me.

doll how could they not find your ovary?! Things will change really quickly over the next few days, so you may very well see more follicles on Friday. That's a long time to wait for the scan though... Aww baby rock climber. Sounds super cute.

joy wow, your appointment and research sounds incredible. It makes me cross that the NHS/clinics don't really bother trying to get to the bottom of these things for us.

critter wine, blue cheese and election coverage sounds like my ideal evening.

Can't believe your friend had over 30 eggs euro. That cannot be good for anyone!

I'm really pleased to see you back to your normal cheery self rabbit. Was the meal done in 15 mins??

mellow any sign of the red witch?

Thanks so much for your kind words buzzy, mrsd, lemons, sar. I may have to pick your brain about FET sar.

pout! Lovely that you're back! I'm pleased you've found some kind of peace and the pout craft emporium sounds amazeballs.

EC is at 9.30 tomorrow and I'm soooo scared. I am such a wuss. But it will be good to get these eggs outta me.

GinSoaked Mon 05-Nov-12 18:46:59

Hi all. As ever thanks so much for the words of support. You are such a great bunch and I'm sooo pleased that I found you all!

My hormones were slightly better yesterday apparently, with a reading of 9900. This is obviously still really high but I was able to do 1 trigger shot. They said FET may still be required, but we'd see how things go tomorrow at EC. I'd rather do FET than put myself as risk of ohss (or make it worse) and also I wonder if it may be better as I felt so shitty last time after EC. I've got to the stage whereby I'd rather be well and not pregnant than pregnant with ohss...I suspect that our crap embryos won't do great at freezing but hey ho. My e2 must have been high last time as I only had the 1 trigger shot, but no one told me...

Anyway, 'nough about me.

doll how could they not find your ovary?! Things will change really quickly over the next few days, so you may very well see more follicles on Friday. That's a long time to wait for the scan though... Aww baby rock climber. Sounds super cute.

joy wow, your appointment and research sounds incredible. It makes me cross that the NHS/clinics don't really bother trying to get to the bottom of these things for us.

critter wine, blue cheese and election coverage sounds like my ideal evening smile

Can't believe your friend had over 30 eggs euro. That cannot be good for anyone!

I'm really pleased to see you back to your normal cheery self rabbit. Was the meal done in 15 mins??

mellow any sign of the red witch?

Thanks so much for your kind words buzzy, mrsd, lemons, sar. I may have to pick your brain about FET sar.

pout! Lovely that you're back! I'm pleased you've found some kind of peace and the pout craft emporium sounds amazeballs.

EC is at 9.30 tomorrow and I'm soooo scared. I am such a wuss and will probably cry again in the clinic. But it will be good to get these eggs outta me.

GinSoaked Mon 05-Nov-12 18:47:52

Oops double post, sorry... One with typos, one with marginally less, having been previewed.

akuabadoll Mon 05-Nov-12 18:53:50

The very best of luck for tomorrow gin

CritterPants Mon 05-Nov-12 18:56:50

gin that's really good news that you are at least able to do a trigger shot. One step at a time. We'll be here for hand-holding and cheesecake brownie offering ahead of the EC. I know it is scary but you will be on the happy drugs and Mrgin will be looking after you. You're doing amazingly and we are cheering you on.

sarlat Mon 05-Nov-12 19:13:00

Gin - great to get EC over and done with tomorrow. I agree with Critter, one step at a time. Come home tomorrow and sleep, sleep, sleep. Then let us know how things are going and we can talk FET if needed. Best of luck, you will be fine. I know that is soooo easy for me to say sat here in my dining room - but it will. This is not an easy thing to do. You are so brave and strong even if you don't feel it.

Doll - I agree that a lot can still change. I was told I would have 6 eggs if lucky and I got 10. So your 3 follies may convert to 4 or 5 actual eggs which would be ace. And a lot of my follies were late bloomers. This is how my follies grow natuarlly I discovered during my FET cycle. So could be the same for you. Will they consider increasing your stimming meds dose to give them an extra push? Good luck hon. x

buzzybee123 Mon 05-Nov-12 19:34:05

gin I hope all goes well for tomorrow with EC,

joycep Mon 05-Nov-12 19:50:47

Gin - wishing all the very best of luck tomorrow. You are doing amazingly well and we are all here supporting you.

Critter - i'm ashamed to say i haven't quite got my head around the US election. Kicking back and enjoying cheese and wine sounds lovely.

Doll - sorry you are a bit uncomfortable and as Sar says, things may still happen yet. Also a girl on another thread got 2 follies and got twins.

Has anyone heard of a tv programme Girls? I seem to have got watching it, it's a bit odd.

buzzybee123 Mon 05-Nov-12 19:54:01

I'll set up new thread

buzzybee123 Mon 05-Nov-12 19:57:14
s43ll Tue 06-Nov-12 14:02:59

hi ladies, well af finally arrived and my planned lap and dye went ahead. both tubes blocked and adheions around my left ovary. from endo. realling abit all over the place emotion wise. i knew something was going on in there due the pain and discomfort, just wasent expecting it to be so final and permenent. of to ivf we go, just hope we the results we want and my uterus isnt as hostile.

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