To feel everyone is anti trans?

[Kitjo]

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

Of course everyone isn't 'anti trans'. You aren't even defining what you mean by that, how can anyone comment? You mention about 5 different issues in your OP, what in particular do you think makes people anti trans?

You won’t get a good representation of views on Mumsnet. You’re asking in the wrong place.

I don’t think most people care about trans people as a group or their issues any more or less than any other minority groups.

They start to care when obviously stupid things happen like men in women’s sports, prisons etc but otherwise the vast majority of people just want everyone to get on.

Lots of people have personal struggles and difficulties, for a huge variety of reasons and trans people are no more deserving of kindness and understanding than anyone else.

'Be kind' is being used to put women in the place.

People do all sorts of things that are damaging to themselves and others - the fact that it's something they feel the need to do doesn't make it good for them or others.

I'm pro- women.

Yup. Support for trans people isn't well received on here. You'll find it elsewhere though.

I don't think it's an issue most people give too much thought to IRL, it's hugely built up in importance online.

I have no problem with people being trans, but I do have issue with the way gov has tried to give them equal rights due to how it impacts on biological women (all the reasons you state above). They need their own spaces (toilets) and I'm reasonably certain that a majority have used the disabled loos if they feel uncomfortable in the men's.... (also, women really need to stop using men's toilets when the ladies are busy). I guess maybe I'm not as tolerant as I thought, as I type this it has occurred to me that I kinda view, yes be trnas etc, no issue, but don't make my life more difficult and unfair around it (pronouns and disciplinaries when the wrong one is used...eg. saying she instead of they ) . Just get on with life

You won’t find it on Mumsnet.

I’m indifferent.
I can’t say they ever cross my mind.
As long as people aren’t doing anything illegal I’m very much live and let live.

i think most people in the UK are pro-trans in the sense of believing everyone should have the right to present themselves as they choose and live life free of harassment and discrimination. Lots of people think this while also thinking that choosing to present yourself as the opposite sex doesn’t actually make you the opposite sex. That’s not anti-trans, it’s just pro-reality.

You're fully aware of what some of the concerns are, and yet characterise those who are concerned as anti trans.

Sure Jan.

I'm not bothered by trans people at all. What I'm bothered about is womens spaces being invaded and about the fact that we are being told trans women are now women, the same as me.
You want to change your body , how you dress and take hormones ? More power to you but trying to force people to believe that you can defy biology and actually become the opposite sex ? That's the problem not the people who stand up against that happening

I don't care (in a good way).

What I mean is, I'm happy for anyone to live their life the way they want to.

I'm not happy about male rapists claiming to be female and being transferred to women's prisons to beat up and rape more women.

I agree with this. I am of course sympathetic to people’s personal struggles. I don’t think trans people uniquely suffer or suffer more than many other groups who face significant barriers in life. I don’t think the answer to men’s (male people) difficulties is to let them take up women’s spaces in prisons, sports, toilets, etc.

YABU to be posting this on Mumsnet. What are you expecting from this thread?

I’m not anti trans. I am pro woman’s rights to single sex spaces. I think there’s a middle ground which requires discourse and understanding on both sides.

Me too! TWAW.

Fully supportive of people’s right to dress/look/appear/be referred to however they want, and more than happy to be ‘kind’ to them. I just don’t want men in female spaces.

I know my opinion will be shouted down but here it is. I believe everyone should live the life that they want to live with no judgement so long as they are not harming others.
If someone has grown up feeling they are in the wrong body to the extent that they need surgery to change it, I can only presume that is ridiculously hard and a battle growing up and I have huge sympathy for a them.
I would even go so far as to say that if someone wanted me to call them their preferred of the two genders if it makes them comfortable then I will.

What I can't and won't do is be expected to actually believe that they are not the gender they are at birth. For me science is science. Being a woman is hard and while someone might feel that they are one, they will never go through the struggles that women do. (I understand and sympathise with the struggles that they do have to deal with).

I feel like everyone should be able to live their lives with kindness and without judgment but nobody should be able to tell me how to live mine. As far as I'm concerned, I am a woman. I don't feel that I should be referred to as a cis woman so that others can feel more like a woman etc. I feel that women should be allowed to have safe spaces in a world that is so often already unsafe for women. And if you were a woman you would understand that.

No problem with trans.
But I do have a problem with their needs trumping those of hetero sexual people. They are still in the minority. .and I definitely have a problem with some of the sick stuff being pedaled at pride where children can see it.
And as for those saying that pedophilia is 'just a sexuality', they need to take a run and jump!

I worry that children are being offered a fake answer to their difficulties with autism, bullying, working out where they fit in the world, becoming and being a teenager, struggling with the changes of puberty etc.
Sent off down the wrong rabbit hole for years, potentially. One that can lead to some pretty far reaching medical decisions.

I think this is spot on. In reality there are few trans people and most of us will not confront the issues that get aired online. There may be occasionally a person you see and you wonder or I had in the gym changing rooms the other day, someone who seemed to be a woman physically other than they had a full beard. Wasn't sure if it was PCOS or trans or whatever, didn't really care and they kept themselves to themselves, relatively wrapped up compared the the other women changing and showering. And no one else seem bothered either judging by the amount of people stripping off next to them!
People may read the stories about the horrible people committing crimes but most people are terrible judges of what this represents in reality. CF Daniel Kahneman (sp?) who talks about how bad we are at stats and judging relative proportions etc.

As a woman and a disabled person, they need to stay out of our spaces.

Other than that, I couldn't really care less.

I care about being coerced into denying reality.

Who are trans masculine folks?