Genuine q, what does the UK gain from this?

(256 Posts)
dragonsarebest Wed 29-Jun-16 10:34:23

I voted Remain, but we lost and I want to be optimistic, so I'd genuinely like to know what benefits we can look forward to following Brexit. I'm really not interested in arguing, point-scoring or vague "taking control" statements, but I would like to understand what the positives will/could be for my family and me once the UK is officially out? Thanks.

MrsBlackthorn Wed 29-Jun-16 10:38:20

There are none.

GraceGrape Wed 29-Jun-16 10:39:52

There is no real answer at the moment because it all depends on what deals we negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world. I don't think there will be any advantages, but the best I can see is that we'll get some sort of EEA arrangement that allows the financial services sector the access they need to keep supporting our economy but may also free up some small businesses from some of the EU regulations that restrict them. Maybe this will make it easier for small businesses to be set up, although not, I hope, at the expense of workers' rights.

MrsBlackthorn Wed 29-Jun-16 10:42:39

Even that's not really an advantage. We'll pay in about as much as we do now, but without getting investment back in return.

And businesses would have to abide by the same regulation. It's not so much an advantage as making the most of the situation we currently find ourselves in by making it as close as possible to what we had before.

Alfieisnoisy Wed 29-Jun-16 10:44:12

Tax rises.

Spending cuts

Er....that's it.

MrsBlackthorn Wed 29-Jun-16 10:45:28

Maybe younger people will become more engaged in politics in the future.

Maybe we as a society can stop protecting the interests of the old over families and young people.

Amrapaali Wed 29-Jun-16 10:48:44

I am with MrsBlackthorn. The young are already upset and disappointed. We are pissing their life away. Its a wonder they haven't abandoned us all en masse on some ice floe.

Their voices need to be heard. We actually need action on the streets instead of just farting around on social media.

What did the UK gain from this? Well a reputation for being quite thick...

RedToothBrush Wed 29-Jun-16 10:49:29

Bugger all.

Apart from you get to wave your flag more.

dragonsarebest Wed 29-Jun-16 10:51:27

Thank you. Younger people (all people) being more engaged in politics is definitely a good thing.

Interesting that our unelected House wanted 16 and 17 year olds to be able to vote in the Ref, funny how democracy works.

GloriaGaynor Wed 29-Jun-16 10:51:55

Nothing. Whatever option we go for now we lose.

If we go for the EEA model we have all the same rules and outlay but none of the power.

WaitroseTrolley Wed 29-Jun-16 10:53:48

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07kdsdl

I found this programme useful OP. Explains the legal side of Brexit. So, if we went for an EEA thing, my understanding is that if the EU wanted to add different laws to it or something we could have the power to say no, which we wouldn't at the moment.

We'd also be exempt from having to be involved in fisheries and agriculture, I think.

<scrapes barrel>

www.forbes.com/sites/stevekeen/2016/06/27/what-next-after-brexit/#4612830e46f8

I think a Leaver posted this, this guy predicted the 2008 crash when many others didn't I think, don't quote me. He says that a lot of finance is likely to stay here as English is the language of finance.

UnderTheGreenwoodTree Wed 29-Jun-16 10:53:56

If you enjoy spending money, the price of food and clothing will go up.

We'll regain our Blitz spirit.

We are serving as a living warning to the US to not vote Trump in.

We British like to moan about stuff - soon we'll really have something to moan about.

AbyssinianBanana Wed 29-Jun-16 10:55:38

I'll go on my own record here (since I name change frequently) that there is absolutely no way we will get as good of a deal as Norway or Switzerland have.

There is a very strong reason for EU not to give us that deal - to deter others from breaking way too. Of course the EU wants to smooth volatile markets and uncertainly as much as us - plunging currency and instability is not good for anyone. But their currency and instability would go down the tube too, if they AGREED (key word there) to give us terms as good as Norway or Switzerland's.

RedToothBrush Wed 29-Jun-16 10:57:50

I think Trump is MORE not less likely to get in.

They are not getting this 'the people/nationalism' thing over there still.

dragonsarebest Wed 29-Jun-16 11:00:49

Thanks Waitrose, listening to that programme now.

I've been struggling because I could not find any real, specific benefit in anything I've read before or since Thursday, but loads of misinformation and vague rhetoric. The people that voted Leave must have had good reasons but for whatever reason, I've not yet come across them. I did read that a weak pound was good for business but I didn't really understand why, I'd be happy to be informed.

purits Wed 29-Jun-16 11:02:07

There is a very strong reason for EU not to give us that deal - to deter others from breaking way too.

Why are there others looking to break away too if the EU is so wonderful?

SnowBells Wed 29-Jun-16 11:03:04

Waitrose

That 'English' thing... that's bollocks, given a large proportion of the world speak English. Almost everyone younger than 40 speaks English in Europe.

Never watched all those film clips on Sport Relief or Red Nose Day or wherever...where even very poor people in third world countries speak (broken) English? So... not buying it.

Limer Wed 29-Jun-16 11:04:24

We won't be stuck in the downward spiral of the EU as the Eurozone's failure deepens, the Euro collapses and the far right seize power.

We won't be crippled by a one-size-fits-all social, political and economic union.

Mistigri Wed 29-Jun-16 11:04:33

What Mrs B. said upthread about young voters and policies that favour the old just because they vote.

Also, I suppose that if things go badly then we may serve as a useful lesson for the right wing on what happens when populist politics clash with economic realities. Not that they will take any notice, if the left's inability to come to terms with Venezuela is anything to go by.

TheBathroomSink Wed 29-Jun-16 11:06:37

Why are there others looking to break away too if the EU is so wonderful?

Marine LePen (French MEP) wants out because the EU acts as a restraint against member countries lurching a long way to the right. Marine LePen is Nigel Farage in lipstick.

Mistigri Wed 29-Jun-16 11:07:08

Almost everyone younger than 40 speaks English in Europe.

Really. I must tell my anglophone children, who attend secondary school in a European country, that their classmates are just pretending not to talk english.

A lot of the most educated people do speak good English, but outside the Netherlands and perhaps one or two other countries, it's still a small minority,

MotherOfBleach Wed 29-Jun-16 11:08:23

Why are there others looking to break away too if the EU is so wonderful? Because every country has a far right and in times of uncertainity they gain in power.

We are not long out of a global recession and are still suffering the effects of Arab Spring. Refugees are piling up around the world and the far right are using this to their advantage.

It's nothing to do with how good or bad the EU is. Whilst it's not perfect it was a bloody lot better than what we are facing now.

Fleurdelise Wed 29-Jun-16 11:08:31

We get to realise a real issue, the raise of hate and racism crimes tells a lot and dealing with this issue should be high up on the agenda.

How to deal with it though is the question, you can't change the way people feel, at least not overnight.

Other than that we'll pay into EU but get no funds out of it (best case scenario) just like Norway and accept freedom of movement. So nothing will change really. Oh except parts of the UK becoming poorer as I doubt the gouvernment will maintain the level of funding EU was sending to Cornwall, Wales and other parts.

RedToothBrush Wed 29-Jun-16 11:09:42

We won't be stuck in the downward spiral of the EU as the Eurozone's failure deepens, the Euro collapses and the far right seize power.

If the Eurozone collapse, we will be sucked in regardless.
As for the far right comment...

Maybe younger people will become more engaged in politics in the future.
I think it will do the opposite. If possible.

purits Wed 29-Jun-16 11:25:37

It's nothing to do with how good or bad the EU is.

I disagree. Discontent with the EU long pre-dated the 2008 recession or the Arab spring. The inequality in Britain has been growing and membership of the EU has done nothing to stop it.

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