to finally be able to say there has been too much immigration

(507 Posts)
moogy1a Fri 03-May-13 08:29:59

Now that UKIP have made massive gains in local elections,conservatives stating that major changes need to be made and labour admit that they made a big mistake in having an almost open door policy can I finally say this in public without the hysterical accusations of being racist?

MumnGran Fri 03-May-13 08:33:22

<donning flak jacket>
I don't think so ...... but you might want to keep a bottle of flame retardant handy.

Emsmaman Fri 03-May-13 08:34:07

No

timidviper Fri 03-May-13 08:34:19

Probably not. There are some topics where the silent majority are silent because they will always be shouted down if they dare to voice an opinion. I think immigration is probably one of them.

NynaevesSister Fri 03-May-13 08:34:33

No you can't. You can say that you think some immigration policies didn't work in your opinion and back that up with actual facts.

But no one means that immigration is too lax. They mean that it is too lax about all those Eastern Europeans, Roma, Africans and Asians.

Somehow all those thousands of white people from Australia, NZ, Canada aren't an issue ....

FanjoForTheMammaries Fri 03-May-13 08:35:23

Can accuse you non-hysterically if you like?

Tis a sad day when loads of people vote for such a bigoted hate fuelled party.

It's almost enough to push me to vote for independence

FanjoForTheMammaries Fri 03-May-13 08:35:44

Must feel great to be an immigrant watching the news today.

gordyslovesheep Fri 03-May-13 08:36:19

well yes you would be since there hasn't been an open door policy and I don't think there has been too much immigration either

FanjoForTheMammaries Fri 03-May-13 08:36:32

Nynaeves you are right on the money there.

Paleodad Fri 03-May-13 08:38:46

You're not racist, just wrong.
There never was an "open door policy", and anyway immigration can only benefit this country, economically and culturally.

flatpackhamster Fri 03-May-13 08:40:43

NynaevesSister

No you can't. You can say that you think some immigration policies didn't work in your opinion and back that up with actual facts.

But no one means that immigration is too lax. They mean that it is too lax about all those Eastern Europeans, Roma, Africans and Asians.

Somehow all those thousands of white people from Australia, NZ, Canada aren't an issue ....

Given the net migration figures to those places, it isn't. 2 million Britons left in the last 10 years, mostly for those three destinations.

flatpackhamster Fri 03-May-13 08:43:08

Paleodad Fri 03-May-13 08:38:46

You're not racist, just wrong.
There never was an "open door policy", and anyway immigration can only benefit this country, economically and culturally.

www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/november-2012/msqr.html Take a look at the chart at the bottom of this ONS page.

Migration bumping along at a low level right up until Labour get in to power, when it doubles. If that isn't an 'open door policy' then what is?

BabsAndTheRu Fri 03-May-13 08:43:39

Totally agree with Fanjo, found watching the morning news today very depressing. UKIP ffs.

EauRouge Fri 03-May-13 08:44:08

My DH is Canadian. He doesn't have UK citizenship and has no plans to get it. He still plays a lot of hockey and says 'eh' after 10 years in the UK so I guess that just shows his lack of intent to integrate.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Fri 03-May-13 08:44:48

I don't think anyone would suggest that there should be no controls at all on immigration. It's just what controls, why those particular controls and how they are implemented that matters.

They should be fair, reasonable and not be rooted in skin colour!

dingit Fri 03-May-13 08:45:07

Yanbu.

FanjoForTheMammaries Fri 03-May-13 08:46:27

I see some people have been suckered in.

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Fri 03-May-13 08:49:02

what do you mean?

FanjoForTheMammaries Fri 03-May-13 08:50:36

I mean people are believing UKIP on immigration and trotting out the usual stuff

seeker Fri 03-May-13 08:54:09

There is not an open door policy.

And just because Nigel Farrage actually looks like a politician and is good on Question Time doesn't mean that he's not a racist bigot who plays to the worst side of the British psyche.

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 03-May-13 08:54:41

God yes, all those terrible people, coming to the UK and getting jobs.......that home grown sofa surfers can't be arsed to do.

Shouldn't be allowed.

Yanbu. When councils start giving planning permission to build on green belt land that, to me, is a clear sign that the country is overpopulated. Be it through immigration or not.

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 03-May-13 08:55:24

Has anyone mentioned council houses yet?

NotTreadingGrapes Fri 03-May-13 08:56:57

Some areas of some big cities are "overpopulated" by UK standards/experience.

NCG, it's a clear sign that councils are selling out to developers. It's diddly to do with immigration.

Corygal Fri 03-May-13 08:57:15

I think the immigration thang is a reflection, well displacement, of how bad things are in other, vital, ways for most people. Housing - schooling - hospital overcrowding - I don't even have to explain.

The annoying thing is that as displacements go, it's useless, at best. And irresponsible.

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