To think they should reconsider the DJ's job since the nurse commited suicide?

(210 Posts)
MightTinge Fri 07-Dec-12 15:52:07

For some strange reason I felt cross when I read of her suicide. Was she in the wrong place at the wrong time? Should the DJ be punished or is it simple a
'Stunt gone wrong'?
After all look what happened with sachsgate. This was much worse IMO before her suicide.
I feel very sad for her children.

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HumphreyCobbler Fri 07-Dec-12 16:43:07

Oh my God this is awful. I have always thought that the impact of such a mistake, in the public eye with all the ensuing discussion, would be terrible to bear.

I feel so sorry for her family. And for Kate and William who will feel responsible. I don't see that makes me a forelock tugger hmm I also feel sorry for the DJs concerned. This is an unbelievably awful escalation of events.

She had children? sad

SantasLittleHo Fri 07-Dec-12 16:52:38

When I think of what happened with Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross where nobody died I do wonder how far reaching this will be? I just looked at the stations facebook page and its going bonkers.

Kayano Fri 07-Dec-12 16:53:28

people are contradicting themselves. you can't say that this is nothing to do with Kate in one post, the claim sacking the SHe would constitute special royal treatment.... how can it if it's nothing to do with Kate?

it wasn't that long ago Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross were in the shot for a prank call to that Fawlty Towers dude so that argument doesn't wash.

This thread was started because people are gutted about the poor nurse and her family, but the whole problem is that inexorably has had a tragic ripple effect. It's gone from an Australian Radio show, to the hospital and now resulted in a tragedy that was entirely avoidable if people purifiers first and not their ratings.

the ripple effect will of course continue, it doesn't just stop here. there is a pregnant woman whose condition through no fault of her own the whole world is being nosey about already feeling shot and who knows if she will feel guilty. she shouldn't, but that's the ripple so of course people can discuss Kate in relation to this.

absolutely people say the poor nurse first, and he poor family, but also saying poor Kate does not negate the original two statements. Don't be so pathetic to think it does.

Kayano Fri 07-Dec-12 16:55:25

please ignore my autocorrect. it is messing with me today

Greensleeves Fri 07-Dec-12 17:00:31

That is terrible! sad

forbiddenfruit85 Fri 07-Dec-12 17:08:41

I looked to see if they had released a statement via twitter.

When I clicked on their accounts, both have been removed.

jamdonut Fri 07-Dec-12 17:11:21

Poor Kate indeed...imagine how you would feel if one of the nurses who had been around while you were in hospital had killed themselves because someone thought it would be funny to prank call you,and they felt somehow responsible or under pressure because it got reported.
Just because she is a "royal" doesn't make it any less shocking for her. I imagine she feels a bit responsible as well, because, if the media didn't trip over themselves to get titbits about her,the nurse may well still be alive today.

I really hope that some lessons have been learned...but I doubt it.

Jokes to many feel like bullying to the recipient

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AuntieMaggie Fri 07-Dec-12 17:22:29

I agree that Jokes to many feel like bullying to the recipient

AllSnowballsAndNoKnickers Fri 07-Dec-12 17:28:00

Seriously? A woman is dead in tragic circumstances - possibly but not yet definitely as a result of a fucking stupid prank by a pair of rent-a-gob DJ's and all you lot want to do is - once again - pile in with the anti-Royalist stuff? That just leaves me gobsmacked. There is a time and a place you know.

NetworkGuy Fri 07-Dec-12 17:33:30

I really hope that some lessons have been learned...but I doubt it.

Actually, I think quite the contrary. The DJs were in the wrong in the first place, but actually expected the phone to be put down, so they were (from what I have read) surprised they did get info.

The death of this nurse is a tragedy, and I'm sure we all are thinking of her and her family. It does seem quite difficult to understand, because the suggestions are that she was not being disciplined but supported by the Hospital (though clearly it was embarrassing - for her, the other nurse, and the Hospital - but at 5:30 after several hours on shift, I'd hope they considered it what it was... simple human error).

As for the DJs, yes, they will have this on their conscience, but they had already made some form of apology, and one would have hoped that would be an end to it. This tragic turn of events will not only shock them and their station management, but prank calls under the spotlight at any station, and should assume stations will reconsider, and not do prank calls where they might think there's a chance of someone being disciplined for falling for their prank.

So, so, sad that someone doing an important job (especially compared with being a radio DJ) has been lost from society. Can only imagine what was going through her mind. RIP Jacintha Saldanha.

maddening Fri 07-Dec-12 17:43:32

The hospital should have anticipated this and have a process for screening such calls - the hospital is as much to blame.

Also we are not party to conversations between the nurse and her employers - was more pressure than they are presenting placed on her for the transfer of the call?

FutureNannyOgg Fri 07-Dec-12 17:46:22

Stupid irresponsible prank, when is it ever OK or amusing to bother hospital staff with people to care for to extract personal information about a patient? It was never a good plan, but then it left an innocent woman who made a mistake at work 5.30 am exposed for criticism internationally. Imagine having millions of people all over the world hearing your voice and laughing at you. No one should have to deal with that uninvited.

ChippingInAWinterWonderland Fri 07-Dec-12 17:46:50

Really? You think someone else should be made to pay for this? This poor woman took her life, quite possibly partly due to the 'baying for blood' that was going on. Is that not enough for you - must there be someone else hounded?

If you insist on finding someone to blame - then look at the producer, not the 'lacky' who carried it out.

joanbyers Fri 07-Dec-12 17:57:29

this is really not the thread to be making bitter comments about William/Kate/anybody.

RIP.

AllSnowballsAndNoKnickers Fri 07-Dec-12 18:06:41

I think it's important to consider this - the pranksters were not playing a joke on the Royal Family were they? They were playing a joke on the nursing staff. I wonder quite what they had in mind when they hatched that plan.

complexnumber Fri 07-Dec-12 18:07:56

Why shouldn't someone target the lackeys? If the justification by the media for prank calling a sick woman and taking photos of her from a mile way is that she put herself in the public eye then the same goes for the DJs. Why shouldn't they experience the consequences of the actions they chose to take and the job they chose to do?

katykuns Fri 07-Dec-12 18:17:46

The DJ's should lose their jobs. I know they never intended things to end up like this, but their stupid actions caused this... it's something you teach children... actions have consequences. Pulling a stupid prank (which isn't even funny?) that puts the nursing staff in a difficult position is an action that will have consequences.

Although, I do feel like the media is actually more to blame for her doing this really. People may think it's stupid that someone would end their life over it... but when has suicide been logical? She had every media outlet discuss her action as if she was stupid. Poor woman... and her poor family. Such.a.waste.

diddl Fri 07-Dec-12 18:18:54

It´s a whole catalogue of errors, really.

That there was no protocol in place at the hospital seems unbelievable.

Surely they might have suspected that someone might try to get info?

I read somewhere that the phonecall was at 5.30-so the woman who answered probably just wasn´t thinking/not trained in reception protocol(?)-compounded by the nurse who then took the call & gave out info.

diddl Fri 07-Dec-12 18:21:07

But at a most basic level I think that tying up a hospital phone to play a prank is disgusting.

SDTGisAChristmassyWolefGenius Fri 07-Dec-12 18:25:17

The problem with 'pranks' like this is that they rely on some innocent person falling for them, if they are going to work - all well and good if you know the person you are pranking, and know they will take it as a joke, but that clearly wasn't the case in this instance. The DJs were pranking total strangers, and I doubt they gave even the most fleeting thought to any harm that might be caused.

At the least, this radio station should stop playing pranks like these, and the DJs should apologise for the harm caused.

ChippingInAWinterWonderland Fri 07-Dec-12 18:31:12

<sigh> KatyKuns - if your boss told you to do something and it went spectacularly wrong, would you expect to lose your job, or would you expect your boss and a legal team to be the ones copping the shit?

The radio DJ should apologise on air and resign.

They knew in my opinion that someone could lose their jobs.

Even after they knew of her death and after the DJs had deleted their twitter they continued to air the prank and it was still on their Facebook. For that reason alone and for the fact they previously forced a fourteen year old to admit on air she had been raped and didn't stop the prank even then Yanbu.

Lots of people are saying she must have been depressed or had problems, that may be the case but I would imagine being humiliation publically and fear you were going to lose your job with two children before Christmas is enough to push someone over the edge.

I can't imagine not panicking if I thought the Queen was on the phone tbh.

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE Fri 07-Dec-12 18:32:46

All radio pranks should be stopped. They are ridiculous, not funny. Its much harder to know your being duped over the phone than it is face to face.

Chubfuddler Fri 07-Dec-12 18:34:42

Just following orders is no defence. That's been proven in the courts time and time again.

If my boss told me to do something like this I'd refuse. prank calls like this make you an arsehole, basically. And arseholes desperate to be on the radio/telly are falling over themselves to do things like this. These aren't highly skilled journalists put in an invidious situation by a pushy producer. David Dimbleby these two aren't.

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