Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To expect Croydon University Hospital to treat me in a better manner than this?

137 replies

WhyAlwaysBoris · 20/05/2012 20:35

This is very long, sorry. It is about the hospitals treatment of me during my pregnancy and miscarriage.

I really need some outside perspective- so many things have happened that seem rubbish to me, and I don't know if this is because they are rubbish, or if I have massively high expectations and need to revise them downwards.

At my booking in appointment the MW was strange- lots of odd things including crossing out the bit in my notes where it said there was a family history of mental illness on the grounds that 'depression isn't a mental illness'. I just ignored it and hoped next appointment would be better.

Second appointment at 16 weeks cancelled on the day it was supposed to happen as they had not realised the building would be shut for the Christmas holidays. I was offered a replacement appointment but it was after my 20 week scan.

I kept ringing to try and rearrange- more than 50 times in total, never answered. Left numerous messages, never returned. Eventually I left a message saying if they didn't ring me back within 48 hours I'd sent a written complaint.

Someone phoned me. I was told that the MW from my booking in appointment should have given me other numbers as the number she had given me was a line that was never staffed. Was told they had just taken on a lot of new people who 'weren't up to speed yet' and someone had been drafted in to sort things out.

They also said that if I had left messages they would have been answered. They maintained every message was logged in a book and I had never left any previous messages.

This put me in the rather ridiculous situation of having to offer to send it an itemised mobile bill to prove who was telling the truth- at which point they suddenly 'found' thee lost messages which were in the book after all. The lying aspect of made me very uncomfortable.

At my 20 week scan it was found that I had had a missed miscarriage and the baby had died between 14 and 16 weeks. I was induced but advised not to see the baby as it had deteriorated since it had passed away some 4-6 weeks prior to this.
If I had had my 16 week appointment it obviously would not have saved the baby, but I would have known weeks earlier and would have at least had the opportunity to say goodbye properly.

The PM suspected a clotting issue but could not confirm as the hospital lost the placenta despite the doctor insisting at the time of delivery that it was very important it was sent off (which including ordering a nurse to retrieve some of it out of the toilet so that it was complete). They still lost it.

The appointment to receive the PM results told us to go to an address that did not exist (the building, department and zone of the hospital all conflicted)- We were variously sent back to the place where we had had the scan telling us the baby had died, back to the place where we had had the initial meeting after the scan to explain the baby was dead, back to the place where we had had the booking in for the induction and finally to a fourth place where they sat us in a waiting area with a 3 minute video on a loop of a new born baby. By the time someone actually found out where we were supposed to go we were in a complete state.

We were told we would need blood tests to pinpoint the blood clotting issue, and the consultant said he would like to see us in 3 months to discuss the results- this would be in May.

Two weeks before the appointment I received a letter saying he would see us on the 31st August now instead of May.

I rang the consultant's secretary who said she would try and get me anther date and ring me the next day. She did not. I rang her the day after and she said I should be waiting for a letter. It was as if we had never spoken and she had never promised to phone me.

I got the letter yesterday morning and it was just the final straw- it became apparent why she didn't ring me. It is an earlier appointment, but not with the consultant but a much more junior doctor and in biro scrawled underneath they have written 'we have now cancelled your appointment with the consultant in August'. So we don't even get to see him.

If you have read all this, thanks for sticking with me.

I am tempted to complain but don't think it would do any good- by the time someone rang me about the 16 week appointment I had already sent the threatened letter of complaint and I was told this would be taken seriously and investigated and after the MC I would be emailed with the results so that I could choose when to read when I was feeling OK. I never heard from them again.

What should I do?

OP posts:
eurochick · 20/05/2012 20:39

I think you should complain. It won't improve the dreadful treatment you have had, but might improve things for others, so some good could come out of this.

I'm sorry for what you have been through.

EmsieRo · 20/05/2012 20:42

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

WhyAlwaysBoris · 20/05/2012 20:43

thanks eurochick, should also have added, it seems i'm now 4 weeks pg- we specifically asked the consultant if we should wait and he said no it would be fine for us to try again as we would discuss in may what would be needed with a new PG- so feel panicked about the fact that i have no appointment to see him

OP posts:
Jayfer · 20/05/2012 20:43

Firstly, just wanted to say how sorry I was for what you and your DP have been through.

I would document everything you can with dates and I would send a complaint in. Do they have a PALS? Patient Advice and Liasion Service. If so, contact them. If you have no luck then contact your MP.

You do not have to put up with rubbish service. And what you have been through has been completely rubbish.

Keep your chin up.

fantalemon · 20/05/2012 20:45

Not at all, I think you should pursue a complaint, you have been through the mill and quite unnecessarily so. I am sorry for your loss.

Jayfer · 20/05/2012 20:45

Oh forgot to say,
Write what you want to happen. Meet with consultant within 4 wks or whatever etc. Be clear what you want to get out of it.

Good Luck.

thatisall · 20/05/2012 20:46

op Im so so sorry for your loss.

I think we have an overstretched health care system, I think that there are good and bad people working within it. When you get a bad team for a broken finger, its annoying, when it is with regards to the loss of your child its devastating. Even good teams can become so over stretched that they don't treat patients with the attentiveness they deserve.

It sounds as though you have been let down by more than one person, more than one team.

Just a bit of reassurance, I found my midwife to be fairly distant until I was 6 months pregnant or so, it just took a while and Im told this is normal.

If it will make you feel better then complain, my goodness complain to everyone who will listen, anyone you think can make a difference!!!! Maybe your complaint could help someone else not to suffer this. But if you think it will upset you more then don't do it. You've gone through quite a trauma and those who should have helped have been insensitive and hurtful.

I really hope you are ok and that you have somebody to talk to. God luck for the future, I hope you get some closure x

WhyAlwaysBoris · 20/05/2012 20:46

These replies are making me cry as i kept thinking it must somehow be me handling them badly somehow, so thank you

OP posts:
neverquitesure · 20/05/2012 20:46

I also think you should complain. You are worried that the horrible and traumatic loss of your baby has made you over sensitive to their treatment of you. It hasn't. They were terribly negligent and whilst nothing can erase the awful experience you and your DH have been through I think, if you feel strong enough, you should pursue this complaint to ensure it doesn't happen again.

I am very sorry for your loss Sad

WhyAlwaysBoris · 20/05/2012 20:49

neverquitesure thank you That is exactly what i was worrying about. Your reply has really helped me.

What should i do about the new PG?

OP posts:
thatisall · 20/05/2012 20:49

op you are to handling anything badly!! Please don't put any of this on yourself. Make your complaints, make them loud but remember to stay calm about it.
Congratulations on your pregnancy. Think about that :)

thatisall · 20/05/2012 20:50

6not handling anything badly6

thatisall · 20/05/2012 20:50

lol, i cat type today.

thatisall · 20/05/2012 20:51

can't !!! OMG

WhyAlwaysBoris · 20/05/2012 20:52

Do you think i should ask my gp to refer me to another hospital for this PG and try and get Croydon to send them my test results, or try and stick with them seeing as they have all the results / back history etc?

OP posts:
Offred · 20/05/2012 20:53

Very sorry :( I definitely think you should complain. Make a complaint to the PALS and to the hospital itself and if you have got a LINk (local involvement network) find them and tell them too.

thatisall · 20/05/2012 20:53

I would probably ask for a different hospital. You'd probably be treated like a princess post complaint, but maybe it would help not to be around the memories. x

AllOverIt · 20/05/2012 20:54

So so sorry for your loss. Sad. You have been treated so badly and I would second everything that everyone has said. Document everything, times, places and people you spoke to.

Give it to them with both barrels!

I wish you every luck with your pregnancy. And congratulations Smile

hiveofbees · 20/05/2012 20:54

If you complain and are not happy with the reply that you get the letter from the hospital should include details on how to take it further. Feedback on the service should help the hospital to improve things.

Offred · 20/05/2012 20:55

I think you should change hospitals and explain to the new one why because it may mean they make extra effort to care for you.

Offred · 20/05/2012 20:59

you don't need a referral from the GP btw. You can self refer. Go and check out some hospitals and explain why you are. Because of this idea that choice is important hospitals are now in direct competition with each other, they will want to treat you well so they get your "business".

AKMD · 20/05/2012 21:00

YANBU. I'm so sorry for your loss and everything you've been through. Please do complain. PALS is a good starting point.

In your situation, I would be looking at alternative hospitals for this pregnancy - congratulations!.

Offred · 20/05/2012 21:01

www.croydon.gov.uk/democracy/dande/policies/health/croydonlink/

Your LINk has already become a healthwatch but it does the same job.

anniemcphee · 20/05/2012 21:03

So sorry for your loss and the way in which you were treated. Please complain. I complained through PALS about rubbish care I had (not misscarriage related) recieved and they were fantastic. Although it did not change what had happend I did get an appology from the matron in charge of the department, and a new policy is in place to stop anyone else being hurt how I was.

As for new pregnancy definately go to your GP and ask for a referral to a new obstetrician - preferably at a new hospital. They should be able to order copies of all previous health notes themselves. Don't take on that stress yourself, that is why they have secutaries.

blackeyedsusan · 20/05/2012 21:07

Sad so sorry for the loss of your baby. you have been treated badly. you shouldn't have to ring and ring and ring. you should not have been given the run aound for your results and you should have seen the consultant when he said you should have been seen.

how would you feel about going to your gp and asking for a referal to another hospital? would it calm your fears of further mistreatment? your gp may know how to speed thingsup to get an appointment about the new pregnany.