19 years for child rape

[thebody]

Aibu to think this is disgraceful??? Child rape,

Should be life.

[rhibutterfly]

unfortunately 'life' is about 18 years in the courts eyes

[juneau]

I think sentences in this country are disgustingly lenient, generally. This one is actually one of the longest sentences for rape I've seen, so good for the judge. Usually rapists get four years or less. Paedophiles are often out in as little as six years or so - and I'm talking about child rape - of boys and girls.

[thebody]

Yes but the bar is them too low!!! No?

[lolajane2009]

definitely a long sentence ime. not long enough thou.

[maytheoddsbeeverinyourfavour]

YANBU

I just can't comprehend how some sentences can be so lenient when the victim has to live with the consequences of the crime for their entire life

I understand there has to be some discretion due to different circumstances, but in cases like child rape I can't see how there could ever be mitigating factors that would or should lead to a lighter sentence

I genuinely don't understand how anyone could come to a decision like this

[rhibutterfly]

way too low,IMO if you take or ruin someone else's life you should not be allowed the freedom to enjoy yours again

[Ithinkitsjustme]

Most sentences are too short in the UK.

[Kendodd]

19 years seems like a long sentence to me, I would be happy with that. Unfortunately I imagine it's very unlikely that 19 years will be served.

[Kendodd]

Any link to this BTW? Is it the case of the 9 men up north somewhere?

[juneau]

Here you go:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17993003

[creighton]

as these men were not born in this country, they should be deported at the end of their sentences. Australia regularly sends back rapists who were born in england and taken by their families to australia in childhood. if you can't respect this country and you weren't born here you shouldn't be allowed to stay. this goes for all serious crime committed by foreign born criminals.

[ReallyTired]

The problem with too harsh a sentence is that there would be nothing to deter a rapist from killing a child.

What these men did was wrong, but if you give them a harsher sentence then what would you do to Roy Whiting who murdered Sarah Payne or likes of Myra Hindley and Ian Bradey.

I think that 19 years is a fair enough sentence provided he actually serves 19 years and is not let out early on good behavior. Sadly I expect that these men will play the racism card.

[thebody]

Ken,

a long sentence to me is a life of living with the fact that you have been gang raped as a 13 year child.

The bastard won't even serve 19 years, he should never walk the streets again to threaten and hurt a child.

[thebody]

Really tired I totally get your point but I wonder if that's true now with DNA evidence and such good forensics. In old days conviction was reliant on witness account only.

But get your point.

[Kendodd]

Reading that link, I think the 19 year sentence is fine but some of those men got as little as five or six years.

[Firawla]

it is crap but considering most rapists are just happily walking the streets and not made to pay for their crimes at all then 19 yrs is an improvement but yanbu tho

[Callisto]

19 years is probably the maximum sentence that the judge could hand out. It is too lenient, especially when he will probably only serve half of this time, but at least this case seems to have been taken seriously by the judge.

[nemno]

19 years would be fine if he were to serve it, he is 59. Some of the other sentences are too lenient.

I am ignorant as to what the legal reasons might be that protect the identity of the ringleader. I guess it might have something to do with protecting his family? But the others are named. Anyone help here please?

[bochead]

Christ one of them fathered a child with a 13 year old.

I'm very,very angry at the low sentences for trafficking - to me it's just a politically correct term for selling another human into slavery. You do that your own freedom should be forfeit.

I don't actually agree with deporting them - why should they be freed to repeat their atrocities on children on the other side of the world? Lock em up and keep em locked up to ensure the public's saftey. The lack of remorse shown in the pathetic entitled comments of the solicitor's defendant show me they are VERY unlikely to be ever worthy of parole into any society anywhere on the planet.

The racism card doesn't apply - in Pakistan/Afhganistan they'd simply take the attitude that men capable of this level of depravity within a community are mad. If a dog is mad you put it down! Pakistani's/Afghan's don't need animals like this tainting the public image of their nation and culture, which is very conservative. They are a source of disgust to human's everywhere and need to accept that.

[thebody]

Totally bochead, absolutely agree 100%

[nemno]

Deportation takes place after they have served their sentence. Unless the home office screw up of course.

[GrimmaTheNome]

Sadly I expect that these men will play the racism card.

I don't see how really. Without wanting to derail the thread, the only people who could possibly be accused of racism in this case are those who have been convicted. Not the police or the judiciary.

[1950sHousewife]

thebody - if it's any consolation, it will not be a fun 19 years. (I know, I've worked with offenders in some of the worst prisons in England.)

They will be put on the vulnerable prisoners wing. They will live in fear of having the shit kicked out of them or worse. Verbal abuse will be a daily thing. As bad as prison is (and honestly, a day in there is like a week anywhere else), being on the vulnerable prisoners wing is even worse than that. It will be a mixture for them of unending boredom mixed with constant anxiety.
And I, for one, am pleased that they are going to be there.

[thebody]

1950s housewife thanks and yes good observation.

[Kendodd]

On a side note, does anyone know what is likely to happen to the families of the men involved? Will their families be outcasts?