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December 2009 - We'll be having Terrific Twos, thank you very much!

(371 Posts)
LifeOfKate Wed 11-Jan-12 22:28:50

New year, new thread grin

Welcome all smile

On it, like a car bonnet... grin
Just marking my place ladies. Xxx

Blatherskite Thu 12-Jan-12 12:57:00

Have linked from the old thread so hopefully everyone will find us

LifeOfKate Thu 12-Jan-12 15:43:59

Thanks blathers, I haven't made it onto laptop yet today!

Now, where were we? smile

Blatherskite Thu 12-Jan-12 17:07:36

Were we whinging about our terrible twos? I think my FB status says it all today!

Marking place...

I found you! Not too terrible today actually smile and I'm just loving all the sweet things he says these days. Yesterday I told him off and sat him on the stairs and DS1 went to see how he was and he said (through tears) 'I want a conversation' confused grin

You know when we start a new thread we do need to post on it too . . .

So what have you all planned for the weekend?

Blatherskite Fri 13-Jan-12 18:05:28

I decided to try Catherine with the potty this afternoon. I'm not at all sure she's ready but she's the same age as Alex was when he trained so I have this nagging feeling that I should give it a go. If she's not made any progress after the weekend, I can at least ditch the idea for a while knowing I tried.

Saying that, she's been terrible all afternoon but found out this evening that you get a sweetie for a wee on the potty so has just done 3 in the last 10 minutes! At least she's got the idea grin

Andrew's "I want a conversation" is so cute!

I thought so grin

You're brave attempting potty training so young and in such miserable weather! I know some children do take to it early but there is no way it's going on in our house before summer. I don't think I'll bother with potties themselves though, I didn't with DS1, unless Andrew seems really keen on them. If he knew sweets were involved he might be quite eager though grin. I might think about a morning or two at preschool from September so I do need him done before then really.

LifeOfKate Sat 14-Jan-12 21:28:42

Woo, am on laptop so will be able to do lovely long reply smile

Lee - I love 'I want a conversation' grin the things they come out with! I caught Noah drawing on the kitchen floor the other day and told him that we didn't do that... his reply was 'Granny draw on floor' grin I texted my mum to ask her what she'd been teaching him wink

Definitely brave attemping potty training, blathers! I'm also not going to go for it until the summer, although we do have a toilet seat and stool for him as he started asking to sit on the toilet, but we're not pushing it at all and only when he asks to go do we sit him on it. I need rosa to be a little more self sufficient before I really start to try with him, if we start when he's 2 and a half, she'll be about 10 months smile Just got to cross my fingers that her seperation anxiety won't be too bad at that point so I can happily take him off to the toilet! I also don't want to use a potty, although the toilet seat we've got is also a portable potty for when we are out in case we can't get to toilet in time.

I'm also thinking September might be good for starting pre-school. The one we'll use is next door to the children's centre we use quite a lot and so I'm familiar with the staff who sometimes bring the kids through for sessions at the children's centre. I think he will love it, he has no worries about leaving me at all, he's very confident and really loves playing with other older children smile WRT potty training though, I did ask and they say they are quite happy if the children aren't trained yet, they will just follow with what the parent wants to do smile

Anyway, hope we're all ok smile

Which all reminds me I suppose I actually ought to go and have a look at the preschool I've got in mind, make sure I like it that sort of thing. I know one woman who works there and she is lovely which inspires me with confidence but I also know they still use Letterland which really doesn't hmm. I know they don't require children to be potty trained any more but I don't think it's fair to ask the staff to change nappies so it's a deadline in my head.

Kate - does your mum draw on the floor?

How are all the other 2 year olds doing with naps? The last two days Andrew has refused to sleep and seemed quite happy without a sleep - I really hope this is not the end of naptimes, how will I get anything done grin

Claire236 Sun 15-Jan-12 12:42:36

Shay isn't showing much sign of being ready to potty train. The last few days he's starting saying he stinks shortly before filling his nappy but that's it.

Still napping for about 2 hours at weekends. Only does an hour during week at nursery. Long may it continue.

Shay had a bad nosebleed last night. Was ok when I went in as he thought his hands were wet but he got a bit panicked when I turned the light on & he saw he was covered in blood. Scared me too the first time it happened. Blood everywhere. Nosebleeds run in my family though & I had my nose cauterised to stop mine so kind of used to it. dh hastily backed out of the room when he saw the blood everywhere.

At the risk of sounding completely ignorant what's Letterland?

this is Letterland. Basically a phonics reading teaching system which was widely used and now mostly discredited in favour of
Synthetic phonics of which jolly phonics is probably the best known system. Letterland names each letter after a character eg Annie Apple is a which was popular with children but led to them using the character names instead of letter sounds when attempting to decode words. So the issue is why would a preschool still use it? Either they are mavericks who believe it still works (fine) or they are not up to date with modern teaching (not fine). Must see what ofsted have to say.

Sorry bit long blush

Horrible about the nosebleed Claire - that would freak me out!

Blatherskite Sun 15-Jan-12 21:15:35

Ha! My Great Aunt has been buying the children Letterland books. I figured they were just some cheap books she'd found, I didn't realise they were supposed to be a whole learning system!

Alex is doing Jolly Phonics at School so I think we'll stick with that for Catherine too. You're welcome to our Letterland books if you do decide to go with the pre school Lee

That's very kind but I don't want him to do Letterland! We have better systems in place now I believe. So I shall have to grill them (gently) as to what's going on. (tbh I don't want him doing letters at all at preschool, I am very against early teaching of reading and writing, we get it all wrong in this country)

Hi everyone! You are all scaring me with this talk about learning to read and letters and stuff - I hadn't even thought about it. I just sort of thought they are so little that they'll just learn how to be social through play and then do letters and numbers and stuff at school.... Actually Lee just read your last post and that makes me feel better!

I don't really have anything interesting to say, but thought I'd post and say hi! I don't really feel pregnant at all - I have an early scan next Weds though as I am diabetic so am now even more excited and nervous than before if possible!

Hope everyone is well and not too cold... Imogen has started wearing socks in bed with her pyjamas to keep "toes warm mummy"!!!!

LifeOfKate Tue 17-Jan-12 21:09:00

Hi all smile

Noah's in the process of dropping his nap I think sad Sometimes he doesn't have one and is fine, if a little grumpy in the evening. But sometimes it hits 11am and he turns into devil child and is clearly in need of a good sleep. If we are at home he is always offered a nap and sometimes has one and sometimes doesn't. I too will mourn the loss of naptime, when else will I have the time to watch all the unsuitable for little people programmes I record on sky+?! grin

Claire - I also used to have many nosebleeds when I was little, but I still think I would have been freaked out to see that! How did he react to the blood?

Lee - I have read a bit recently about the UK being wrong in pushing reading and writing too soon in our kids. Still not entirely sure why though as I don't really 'get' it all, any chance of an explanation for laypeople?! I'm just a bit interested in what approach should be taken if the child is keen to learn letters, as Noah seems to be...

Hercule - I'm with Imogen, definitely socks in bed weather grin although Andrew still has his sleeping bags so no issues there for him.

Kate - snap exactly with naps! I guess they have to end one day sad

Re. The early reading, in this country we have and have had quite poor literacy rates for a developed country so why? One reason is that English is quite hard to learn but it's not just that. One solution, adopted by recent governments is to say children struggle because of lack of support at home therefore the earlier the children are in a formal nursery setting and the earlier literacy is introduced the better. In addition the government imposes a set way of learning to read on all early years settings. This is actually broadly speaking good, it is good that best practise is encouraged and good for many children to be out of a non literate home background quite early but it's too rigid. Many children are not ready for formal lessons, holding pencils etc until 6 or so. Therefore they find the early years with our emphasis on formal literacy learning tough. But, and it's a big but, all children are individuals and so some are ready to hold pencils and learn letters early and obviously if they are then why not encourage them. Read up a bit about synthetic phonics so you can help them in a way that will be similar to the way school teach otherwise you can cause major confusion and do not read the primary or preschool education boards on here where the pushy mothers congregate grin

Phew, long sorry!

Blatherskite Wed 18-Jan-12 16:01:44

I read to Alex but didn't try to teach him reading or writing until he was at School and I knew I was supporting the School rather than potentially confusing him with a different way of doing letters and sounds. I'm really glad I did too as I would definitely have gotten it wrong I think.

The only thing we did have beyond books was an earlier version of [[http://www.amazon.co.uk/Leapfrog-Fridge-Phonics-Magnetic-Set/dp/B005DDN9YI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1326902280&sr=8-3 this Fridge Phonics thing] which is good but ours only has capital letters and I know now that we'd have been better off with lower case ones like the newer ones have. We did also have a load of Orchard games but they taught colours and numbers rather than letters. Alex loved LEGO too which I think helped his hand-eye coordination and imagination.

Once he started School and I found out that he was doing Jolly Phonics, I bought a few bits to use at home and use them to support his homework. I got the workbooks which were fab as they taught me and DH how to form the letters correctly (it's different to the way we were taught or at least to the way we write now) and the CD as that helped me learn the phonics sounds and the songs that go with them - which helped make more sense out of the garbled bits I was getting from Alex at the end of each day. We also got the wall poster which was handy for talking about letter shapes and sounds.

Long story short - I guess what I'm saying is not to worry about it too much. As long as you are reading to him and he's showing an interest then that should be enough before School. I certainly think being able to read and write before they start could potentially be off putting when they do as they'll have to wait for everyone else to catch up and might have to re-learn bits depending on what you've taught them. If he's really desperate to learn, then maybe find out which system your chosen School uses and buy a few bits to go with that?

Blatherskite Wed 18-Jan-12 16:01:57

I agree with everything Blathers says too grin

The other thing to say which I think every reception teacher would agree with is that the skills every child need to start school with are not reading and writing but being able to sit down, concentrate and listen. Being able to take themselves to the toilet, wipe their own bottoms and wash their hands. Being able to get their own coats and shoes on and off without help and all their own clothes (buttons and bows excepted) on and off for PE. Recognise their own name on a name tape is also useful. As a parent your musts are get your child to school on time and collect them on time, support the school's reading programme and name clearly every item your child owns that goes to school grin

Hi all,
interesting to read the reading/writing comments. It's not something I have really thought about, but my mum is from a family of old school teachers and she has offered a few times to help Anna in a year or so, so she can be reading by the time she starts school. now, she did the same with me and my bro and whilst I did fairly well at school etc I am no big reader now. So not sure what I think about it really. Very interested though to hear about synthetic phonics, it's all new to me! Anna does love books and stories though so am pleased about that!

Very limited napping here. She has one at nursery when she's there, but has only had one at home about once in the last 6 weeks. And then she's knackered by tea time!!!! hmm

Got booking appt with midwife tomorrow. This first few weeks seems to be taking forever!!! confused

Claire236 Sun 22-Jan-12 13:21:36

Nervous to hear how everyone is starting to drop naps. At weekends when ds2 is napping let ds1 play PS3, watch TV something like that & I catch up with Facebook, Twitter etc. Not looking forward to losing that quiet(ish) time.

Kate - he's ok about the blood actually. Slightly panicked when he first saw his hands but I think the fact that I'm so calm helps. Would prefer blood to sick any day of the week.

Interesting reading everyones thoughts on starting school. ds1 struggled when he started as he wasn't ready for the amount of concentrating required. He's nearly 7 now & gets on much better. He started school loving books & being fascinated by words but rather than this growing when he started school he lost enthusiasm as the fun was taken away & it became something he had to do. I remember his teacher at parents evening telling us he couldn't recognise certain letters which I knew he could. I love reading but doesn't look like I've passed it on to ds1. ds2 currently loves books but who knows how long that will last.

Blatherskite Mon 23-Jan-12 14:03:37

Catherine was definitely not interested in her nap today. I had to return her 3 times before she'd stay put!

I really don't want her to stop either as I use nap time to do my work out video. I'm a stone off my ideal weigh so I need her to keep going for a little while yet. At least until I can get out running after DH gets back from work to replace the workout without having to run in the dark!

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