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Just curious - how many muslims are on mumsnet?(1000 Posts)
I know mumsnet has a wide and diverse population and I tend to recognise some MN usernames as regulars. Just intrigued to know how big/small a community it may be.
Of course, I respect that there may be those who do not wish to even identify themselves for various reasons - which is fine too.
I am not asking for 'religiousness' levels or any vital stats! Nor is this a muslim-only thread or an 'no non-muslims' thread.
If you really wish to tell me that you are not a muslim, that is fine too
<Waves enthusiastically to all muslims and non-muslims>
great to have 1 here!
I have seen you post on many 'muslim' topics crescentmoon - and great posts they are too mashallah.
Asalam u alikum, I'm putting my hand in the air!
I am not Muslim but I know there are people here who are <waves to the posters who posted before me>. I have spoken to others who are Muslim on some of the spiritual threads. I also belong to a Facebook multi-faith prayer group who pray for peace etc as a group, this includes several people who are Muslim. The group started after a thread on MN so we all came from here.
Jazakhallah Galvanise (fell in love with the song too after the London Olympics!) for your comment. Recently I've got to thinking I'm posting too much on threads that involve 'muslim' topics i sometimes just lurk and leave it for other sisters to post.
I reckon there are a fair few muslimahs on mumsnet but many probably post and stick to non religious topics. I'm thinking to do that myself from now on and just keep to 'light' subjects and threads!
These two verses are probably the closest to 'turning the cheek' in Islam and I've taken a lot of comfort from them recently when reading certain threads. I find myself getting less cross and just being chill like most other sisters on mn are....
"And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, Peace! (salaam)." [The Holy Quran, chapter 25, verse 63]
""And when they hear vain talk, they turn away there from and say: to us our deeds, and to you yours; peace (Salaams) be to you: we Seek not the ignorant. " [The Holy Quran, chapter 28, verse 55]
Il do you one better hardlyeverhoovers Salam alaikum wa rahmatullah. (peace be upon you and the mercy of God)
""When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting still more Courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. Allah takes careful account of all things." [The Holy Quran, Chapter 4, verse 86]
Im your bog standard Sunni, orthodox, madhab following, sufi Muslim, hahaha.I really don't do much more than the 5 pillars: prayer, fasting, zakat etc I've done the 'once in a lifetime' Hajj alhamdullillah, i just need to maintain the first 4 until my soul is called back. I've been following sufi teachers for a Long while now because I felt I really wanted to explore the inner dimensions of worship and take myself up from basic level but I probably still keep away from more things than actively implement.
I don't post much on spirituality jackbullet that facebook group sounds very interesting. I wonder whic threads they started from? I've been reading a lot of Rumi recently and Feeling inspired at his words, I like knight of albions 'soul aflame' thread.
Wali kum asalam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu Crescentmoon, is there anywhere to go after that?
Like your self description, would be quite similar to mine except I would add the word (failing) in front of Sufi at the moment!
I quite enjoy being unidentifiably Muslim on non-religious MN threads (as far as I know the headscarf isn't visible on here!). It makes a nice change and I don't feel I have to prove I'm normal before I start contributing. That said, my first use of MN was specifically to gain advice from Muslim women so I suppose it's the best of both worlds.
Well I go to dhikr and attend mawlid - gatherings on rememberance of the Prophet- most weeks so that's why I say I'm a bog standard Sufi. But I'm not 'those who race ahead' type of muslim!
Thanks for responding people.
I also love mn for some bits of advice and opinions and perspectives too.
You dont necessarily agree with them all but gives you great insight!
(totally get you galvanise. I get the wisdom behind a lot of the deen's teachings reading many MN threads especially in relationships. And I have learnt how to articulate and make changes in my own life and radiate it outward in my own community based on wisdoms shared on alot of threads as well.)
How about we turn this into a general Muslim spirituality thread OP? Sharing small ayahs from the Quran, hadith of the prophet (pbuh) and prayers?
Just wondering Crescentmoon what is sufism and why are u interested in it?
I find Sufism really interesting. I love Rumi. But do you have to be a Muslim to be a Sufi? It seems from some Muslim forums I've read that you have to?
Salam alaikum dear yousay and firefly. I became interested in tasawwuf because i really wanted to purify my heart. Tassawuf is about calling oneself to account before you are called to account by God. It is basically:
Taqwa - God fearingness
Ikhlas - sincerity
Tawakul - reliance on God
Rahma - mercy
Tawadu - humility
I wish that I could inculcate those values sincerely within myself.
I also love the Sufis because of their humility and their love of the prophet (pbuh) and their mercy for the ummah of Muhammad (pbuh). Of course one can be a sincere Muslim without being a sufi but they have made self purification a science and a discipline by itself. I'm a long way from it but it's an aspiration of mine. Got to get the kids now!
Dear Muslim ladies,
I recently read an interesting book about women who had converted to Islam but the one question that wasn't answered was how do converts/reverts decide whether to become Sunni or Shia. SOrry I can't remember the name of the book.(It was by someone with a name like N B Roberts?) Look forward to your answers.
Was it 'From my sisters lips' by naima b Roberts cuddleup? It's a nice book. There is another one about western female converts called 'daughters of another path' by Carol L. Anway, a Christian woman who was writing about her own daughters conversion and the conversions of other American Women. That book has experiences of Women choosing Shia Islam as well as women choosing Sunni Islam. I readi t years ago so can't remember it in detail. But it's a good gift for the non muslim families of converts to read as well as converts themselves.
daughters of another path
daughters of another path full PDF
I think most women convert to Islam then decide after. It probably depends more on the views of the women they speak to. I am quite sure that tony blair's sister in law converted to Shia Islam 2 years ago whilst on a trip to Iran. Probably because she was working in Iran when she converted so naturally took the local practise as well.
Crescent thank you so much for that explanation, it makes total sense.
Yes you're right the book I read was From my sister's lips, I found it really informative and I learned so much - particularly about the role of women in Islam (though at point I got a bit annoyed with her style of writing IYKWIM)
THanks SO much for the pdf Daughters of another path I look forward to reading it. I really do appreciate you taking the trouble to send it to me.
thanks cuddleup. i hope other people get to read it as well, especially converts and their families. written by a non muslim mother of a female convert its an emotional book, i hope that you find the writing style better!
as for do you have to be a muslim to be a sufi firefly? theres orthodox mainstream sufism, where it is very much based on belief in One God. and theres non mainstream esoteric sufism.
Rumi bridges both. to orthodox muslims he is Mawlana Jallaluddin Ar Rumi, a Tajik Muslim, a great sufi teacher but also a scholar of the Sunni Hanafi legal school of thought. his most influential teacher imam Shamsuddin was also a scholar of the Sunni shaafiee school of law. when i read Rumi's poetry i can see alot of quranic concepts and his own explanations of very well known hadith (sayings) of the Prophet (pbuh)
but to a non muslim it is not so much the source of his writings but his wisdoms on love of the Divine Being and unity of the Divine Being. he doesnt talk about heaven or hell only love.
here is a video of an Israeli Jewish man, Miki Cohen, who joined the Sufi Mevlevi order in Turkey. it was the first time they allowed a non muslim man to join the whirling dervishes, and it is a very interesting video to watch.
im not a whirling dervish kind of gal - little bit out of my comfort zone though my DH is right at home with it! but in some muslim countries Rumi's poetry is part of the curriculum. I have a dear Omani friend who grew up in school in Oman studying Rumi - i think it would be good to teach his works in weekend and after school madressahs here in the UK. i actually quote Rumi sometimes to my own children!
""Everyone prays to You from fear of the Fire;
And if You do not put them in the Fire,
This is their reward.
Or they pray to You for the Garden,
Full of fruits and flowers.
And that is their prize.
But I do not pray to You like this,
For I am not afraid of the Fire,
And I do not ask You for the Garden.
But all I want is the Essence of Your Love,
And to return to be One with You,"
Rabia Al Adawiyyah of Basra. famous female sufi
Ooh, I'm looking forward to reading that book Crescentmoon, might be a bit close to the bone, my mum is very supportive but I think it would be very emotional for me to understand the feelings she must have gone through when I converted to Islam (then started wearing a headscarf, then starting wearing 'a lot of clothes' (her words), then married a foreigner with a big beard, etc, etc,etc!).
I really like the idea of sharing quotes etc. I'm currently working my way through 'Gardens of the Righteous' hadith (sayings of the Prophet peace be upon him) collection, which I read when I'm sat next to DS's cot, waiting for him to go to sleep. I love the way that you can be reading something like that and most of it, you expect to read, you've heard it before in some form or another, but just occasionally you come across something totally new. I found a hadith about the 3 people who had spoken in infancy which I had never heard before and inshAllah (God willing) I'll share sometime when I can find it again.
For now, I thought I would share the famous hadith of Gibril (Gabriel) as it links into the posts about tasawwuf (it's so long that I'm providing a link, don't know how to do that conversion thing, sorry):
Firefly11 I'd like to respond to your question about whether you have to be Muslim to be Sufi. There are some people who use the name Sufi who are not Muslim, but if you were to ask a Muslim this question I think they would all say yes. Sufism is one aspect of Islam (as it attempts to acheive the 'ihsan' state mentioned in the hadith), so while people may benefit in some ways from taking the Sufi practises without anything else, they will not utlimately be following it in its' true form. It would be like baking bread if all you had was flour, you have one essential ingredient but without the others you would not get very far. Also Sufis like all Muslims operate within the sacred law, so if people were mixing sufi practises with other elements that were not permissible in Islam, it would be entirely meaningless from an Islamic point of view.
Crescent thank you for the link to the programme about Rumi / whirling dervish. (I watched it whilst doing a pile of ironing and found it really interesting.). My knowledge of Rumi is limited to reading "Forty Rules of Love" - great book, v readable.
I"ve started reading the book on American converts - it's interesting.
crescent and hardly, thank you both for taking the time to explain. I find Rumi's words very beautiful. I had to Google whirling dervish because I wasn't sure what it was. And when I saw the Youtube video of it in Turkey somewhere, I recognised the attire as that which is rather similar to what Rumi wears in some illustrations of him. They spin round very gracefully and it's a miracle they don't feel dizzy.
I'm at a sort of period now where I am quite into the spiritual side of things. I have met many Muslims in my life and have been struck by many of them for their strong faith. It's something I lacked for most of my life and only recently it has grown stronger. I am not sure about converting though, and my husband would definitely not convert even if I do and my in laws and my parents would be very disappointed if I did. I am reading up on different things and happy to just have a personal relationship with God in my own way for now. I have always been drawn towards monotheistic religions...
Good morning friends,
Please could someone recommend me a book of Rumi's poetry / writings.
firefly11, may God be with you in your spiritual journey, and the best advice I could give, having gone through (and am still going through) exploration and change, is to relax and enjoy it, and let your heart guide you. And remember, any decisions you make are between you and God primarily. When I converted to Islam I didn't tell anyone for quite a while, and my parents were the last to know!
I was also drawn to the monotheistic religions, despite having been brought up in an athiest household, and most of my experiences prior to Islam, being a bit of a yoga loving hippy, were more along the Buddhist lines. But I think the purity of the monotheistic religions always appealed, and Islam stood out to me as the purest.
Thanks hardly. I too have been a yoga loving hippie sort, was at one point really into astrology, occultism, etc. Went through a decade-long agnostic atheist rebellious phase since I was a teen... but I think back and realised I have never been a true atheist. I was cynical and disillusioned, having had an unhappy home life growing up. I had therapy in recent years and have only slowly began to find myself again. Along came the realisation that I actually do believe in God, I was just denying God's existence all that time (have to add that none of this God business came up in my therapy in case you wonder if my therapist put these thoughts of God in my head!) I have always been a bit of a spiritual, truth seeker if you wish. I studied philosophy when I was in Uni to try and find answers to the questions I had in my head. I am still finding this recent rediscovery of God quite something to get used to. It's an uplifting feeling. I have no idea where it leads but I will just have to follow my heart and be true to myself.
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