Oscar Pistorius trial part 4

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Pennies Tue 15-Apr-14 09:53:36

Here you go.

Bonnielangbird Tue 15-Apr-14 09:55:53

Alex Crawford
@AlexCrawfordSky
#OscarPistorius Nel seems to have finished in a very underwhelming way....

Wonder why?

Thank you Pennies

Pennies Tue 15-Apr-14 09:55:56

Wow. Nel just dropped him like a hot potato. It's like he's got bored with his plaything and just wondered off.

member Tue 15-Apr-14 09:56:42

Thanks Pennies - very quick summing up in the end

So, will Nel now cross examine some of the defence witnesses/evidence?

Nerf Tue 15-Apr-14 09:56:48

Nel will do a summing up I think - maybe the things that are a bit lame like the jeans will be brought up then when OP can't argue against them.

JillJ72 Tue 15-Apr-14 09:57:00

Thank you Pennies.

Have the prosecution not gone all out again?

StackALee Tue 15-Apr-14 09:57:36

"Would anyone else find it hard to have a huge amount of sympathy (to the intruder) if there had actually been one behind that door? I always find it hard to understand how a burgler in the UK can sue for say an owners dog attacking them, or for injuries from barbed wire on the owners property (just examples, not sure of the outcomes). Would be interested in other people's views on this."

erm.... YES!
someone shoots at a person four times in an enclosed space? Sure I would have sympathy for them.

Roussette Tue 15-Apr-14 09:57:40

I wonder if Nel is thinking he'll quit whilst he's ahead. The prosecution has been quite damning as a whole.

member Tue 15-Apr-14 09:58:19

Stopped for tea now - back at 10.30am UK time

Phoenixwoman Tue 15-Apr-14 09:58:20

Jumping on board after reading this thread, following key bits of OPs testimony and now watching some live feed. It's fascinating but surprised that's how the prosecution wound up. I was waiting for a big theatrical flourish.

Copied my post on thread 3 as I imagine it would be missed. I'm swaying to innocent at this point. I just can't see why a deliberate lie would be so flawed. I understand his emotion too, I'd cry at the drop of a hat if it was me too.

I hope Reevas mother is ok, she doesnt appear to be in court today, and Im sure I read that she was determined to be there for Reeva.

member Tue 15-Apr-14 09:59:35

Yes, as I understand it, Nel gets to cross examine all the defence witnesses, not just OP

FreeLikeABird Tue 15-Apr-14 09:59:38

Thanks pennies smile

I do feel Nel just wanted to wrap this up, he seems bored with it all confused

Probably because his team are now short of time, they have other commitments that's why they want to postpone till 5th may.

BeCool Tue 15-Apr-14 10:00:01

quoting Ronald from Thread 3 (this is all moving so fast now):

He went to the bedroom with a cocked unsafe gun in his right hand
conducted a search in this manner <remembering that he is unsteady on his stumps and needs his hands for balance>

He got on to the bed

He felt under the curtains and by the side of the bed

He opened the curtains and balcony doors

All with a cocked weapon in his right hand, whilst unsteadily moving about on his stumps

Yes - and all IN THE DARK!!?

Roussette Tue 15-Apr-14 10:00:01

Agree OneStep. Maybe today and the finding of her daughter's body and all the detail with that is just too gruelling. Such a brave woman.

JillJ72 Tue 15-Apr-14 10:01:01

Cast lots of doubt but is the evidence incontrovertible to support the prosecution's case?

LookingThroughTheFog Tue 15-Apr-14 10:01:40

I don't know - I think there might be a limit to what Nel can ask over and over. It works in Pistirius's favour (I think). He can't force him to admit that he knew where the duvet was and so forth, so he can't keep asking him. He can't tell him where the duvet was more than once really, without having Pistorius disagree with him.

But yes, today's seemed lacklustre in comparison to yesterdays. I suppose because what happened afterwards is less relevant to what happened before, and he's covered that.

BeCool Tue 15-Apr-14 10:01:56

It doesn't even have to be an armend intruder though - its not to hard to imagine if it was a local 12 year old who had broken in as a dare - "I dare you to climb in and find a medal"

Bang, bang, bang bang - dead local child.

I think I would be more in the innocent camp if OP didnt convienently forget any evidence that may not show him in a good light, it doesnt seem consistent.

I can understand having memory lapses over a traumatic event, but this does seem somewhat selective.

Bonnielangbird Tue 15-Apr-14 10:03:20

stack would you have sympathy if it was later discovered that the intruder had a history of burglary/murder/rape (for example)? Since sauce responded re what if intruder had been a 12 year old boy, I think now my level of sympathy would depend on who it was and what their likely intentions were.

If Nel does a summing up perhaps he is saving everything until then?

LookingThroughTheFog Tue 15-Apr-14 10:04:02

Would anyone else find it hard to have a huge amount of sympathy (to the intruder) if there had actually been one behind that door? I always find it hard to understand how a burgler in the UK can sue for say an owners dog attacking them, or for injuries from barbed wire on the owners property (just examples, not sure of the outcomes). Would be interested in other people's views on this.

Yes from me too. It could have been anyone. They might not have been armed (yes, odds are, but what if it was local kids daring to go into the local celebrity's house).

I know I haven't grown up with a gun culture, but to my mind, you don't open fire unless you know for damned sure who you're firing at.

He didn't check thoroughly, and (for me) that's unforgivable.

Bonnielangbird Tue 15-Apr-14 10:04:28

The legal side makes sense though, until you know what their intentions are, then you can't assume.

Nerf Tue 15-Apr-14 10:04:45

I imagine 12 year olds local in SA would know full well the possible consequences of that sort of dare.

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