babies gain nothing from breast feeding once on solids and especially not after around 12 months

[popsycal]

Utter bollocks i know but can anyone direct me to a link (as scientific as possible) to give to my misinformed Dh (misinformed by numerous people including random friends, his mother and his GP)

thanks

[SenoraPostrophe]

this has some good stuff on it

[popsycal]

thanks SA

some good stuff there

anything more specific to breast feeding past a year?>

[tiktok]

But I don't unnnerstaaaaaaannnnnn.....how is it that breastmilk is perfectly good and nutritious and healthy and yummy and all that at 5 mths 29 days.....and then mothers wake up the next day and it has all gone bad/watery/poisonous/useless?

Everything that applies to breastfeeding and breastmilk when talking about a young baby still applies however long breastfeeding continues.

A baby taking a range of solids will be able to get a lot of nutrition from these foods, but no antibodies (for example) - breastmilk is always a nutritious food and drink. Why is that hard for people to understand?

It's also a lot more than that - it's a loving, close way for mothers and their children to connect with each other.

Hope this helps.

[tiktok]

The longer a mother breastfeeds, the lower her risk of breast cancer.

This has been shown in mothers bf to two years.

That's a pretty good argument in my opinion.

I will try to get the paper on this.

[foundintranslation]

try kellymom.com?

[popsycal]

thank you!

This is just coming at a time when i really need DH's support to try to conquer the ridiculous night time waking and he has now gone all anit- breast feeding when he has always been passively supportive. I really cant be doing with well-meaning nosey buggers interefering

[tiktok]

popsycal, there are many papers showing a reduced risk of br cancer the longer you bf, but this is a new one to me - it is a very large study (over 110,000 women) and because it was done in a population where longer term breastfeeding is normal, they have enough of a cohort to show an effect.

This cohort shows that bf beyond 2 years protects the mother, which as I say, is a new finding for me, as I had only seen papers looking up to 2 years before now.

There was a good paper about three years ago in the Lancet that took in all the good studies up to that point, and made a calculation about how many breast cancers would be avoided each year (IIRC) if x per cent of women breastfed for x months longer than they do now.

I think it's crazy to deny that children can benefit from breastfeeding at whatever age - I mean, why wouldn't they? It's like saying 'I don't believe good quality food and drink is beneficial to a baby over x months - show me the proof!'.

Daft.

If he doesn't understand why it's daft then maybe he will accept the cancer stuff.

This is pre-menopausal cancer, BTW.

[popsycal]

Thanks tiktok.

I just feel as thoguh I am fighting a losing battle

thansk again

[popsycal]

i cant access that link

[MissChief]

i thought the breast cancer stat was age-specific, under-30s I believe? IKWYM Popsycal - facing sim reaction from people - onlyu mum in my baby gp still bfing now ds is nrly a yr old. I want to carry on just ams & pms but starting to feel sensitive about it - was told my someone recently that it was now inappropriate and unnecessary to still be bfing
Thank god though dh is supportive - must be hard for you pc if he's misinformed. can't you sell him on the not needing to make up bottles factor?

[HRHQueenOfQuotes]

I agree with all of tiktoks 6.42 post except for this (well I don't disagree with it per se just p*sses me off a bit(

"It's also a lot more than that - it's a loving, close way for mothers and their children to connect with each other. "

Is snuggling up on the sofa with baby in arms and holding a bottle in their mouth not helping them connect? DS2 certainly enjoyed his milk time cuddles.......

[VeniVidiVickiQV]

Popsycal, I hope this doesnt offend you, and it certainly doesnt help you, but, it seems to me that your husband is a bit of a nob.

Why does he so desperately want you to stop? Why does he disagree with your parenting choice? Why should YOU have to prove anything to him - does he question every aspect of your parenting choices or just this one?

[popsycal]

jsut for future reference...

www.kellymom.com/bf/start/prepare/bf-benefits.html#statements

www.kellymom.com/bf/criticism.html

www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/index.html

[popsycal]

VVV

these are my thoughts too over the last few days!!!

he doesnt want me to sto per se - but is using this as a way to make me think ds2 doesnt need to feed int he night

HAVE YOU NTO BEEN LISTENING I HAVE TRIED TO SORT IT OUT FOR MONTHS AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABALE TO TO YOUR LACK OF BLOODY SUPPRT NOT SO DH


sorry

[VeniVidiVickiQV]

THis isnt about you though, QOQ, its about poor popsycals ongoing lack of sleep nightmare and requiring some much needed support.

Popsy, is there anyway you can convey to DH that he is not helping you at all with his "suggestions" and that in actual fact, he needs to get involved in this problem, not just make throwaway comments as to why he thinks its happening. Tell him to look more closely at what he can do, rather than what you shouldnt do.

Suggest that if night b/feeds are a no-no - is he prepared to get up and give DS a bottle of ebm?

[popsycal]

This is the deal.
Dh has been given a two week sick note starting today. I have told him that if it does not get sorted in this wondow of opportunity then it will never happen. I am off work. He is off work. DS1 has no nursery/school. We are never getting the opportunity again.

I am not going to feed him before 5am tomorrow morning. I will get up in the night tonight. I will offer him water from a bottle in his cot. I will stay with him and not leave him. DH can sleep where he pleases. If I need his support in the night he will tell me I am doing the right thing and I am a good mum. Then in the morning, he will get up with the boys and let me lie in til 9am.

[pupuce]

Can someone tell me in WHAT way is cow's milk better than the milk from one's own specie.... daft really!
Give them a pint of cow's milk but NO BREASTMILK... LOL!!!

[MissChief]

pc - that sounds more than fair - tho wdn't baby take bottle better from someone other than you? just a thought, hope you get some more sleep!

[VeniVidiVickiQV]

I actually agree with MissChief about the giving of water.

[SenoraPostrophe]

ooh good luck popsy.

[popsycal]

I will try without giving him water...it is just he has had a 'drink' for so long at night and especially in this heat....

I just feel that he still needs 'me' (maybe I am kidding myself)......the last time i did something more extreme he got so hysterical he vomitted....

Want to try to do things slowly....small steps

[popsycal]

i agree with giving water.....

but what to do when so hiot

[PinkTulips]

popsy, if it's the nights that are the problem i'd definitely cut out the night feeds. i had to do it as dd just wanted to feed all night long, so i fed last thing at night and when she woke at 6am or so, and then on demand all day same as usual. it didn't affect my supply at all and it made a massive differance to the sleeping. and i have to say dd didn't kick up nearly as much fuss as i thought she would.

also, your dh is an ass! tell him to go do some research before spouting useless, wrong information at you.

hope it all goes ok for you

[VeniVidiVickiQV]

Well, get DH to give him the water was what i was getting at

[VeniVidiVickiQV]

Good luck popsy. xxx

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