Naming convicted killers - Brianna

[Noangelbuthavingfun]

...Ghey case. In favour of or against as it impacts their rehabilitation? I'm in favour of it - if you've committed a heinous crime you sign away all your rights to be protected in my opinion - what comes your way and being ousted is part of your lot.... I'm not talking about self defence type, rather premeditated and horribly evil crimes. But I think this should be a consistent theme and not just when some judges decide to....at the momentvits not consistent practice.
Aibu to think it's right to name and shame?

Definitely in favour. If you’re going to murder someone in cold blood I don’t believe anyone should be offered the protection of hiding their identity.

If it makes their lives difficult and horrible for them then that’s the natural consequence of being so evil.

It literally takes two seconds to google their names. If the judge names them they aren't losing their anonymity. It doesn't exist in this day and age

I don't see what purpose it serves. Especially when they were 15. It punishes their family too for a start.

Yes, I see that. At high school, there were 3 brothers and sisters whose dad murdered someone. They ended up leaving the area, because of the abuse and bullying they got, despite them being entirely innocent.

I wonder what happens to the families in this terrible case. I don't know whether all three families have other children in the school but if so I can't imagine how awful that would be for them.

It makes no difference to them

They are banged up. Nobody really cares about who they are and what they did

So name them or don't

For the families left in the outside well that's a different story

I assume they will be assigned new names on release like others. Meanwhile their family will carry the trauma, so you really think they have capacity for shame?

The desire to seek vengeance is natural but the reality is it won't bring satisfaction nor justice.

I am fine with the naming in this case but I disagree that there should be a standard approach. Every crime and perpetrator is different and I think it’s right that it’s judged on a case by case basis.

Their names are all over the internet. It's not like 30 or 40 years ago when the justice system could keep a lid on stuff like this by asking the newspaper not to publish.

There is precedence for this though, the killers of James Bulger were a lot younger and were named at the time.

Also the argument about the families of the two people convicted - the names being released is not going to make any difference to them as everyone in the local community will know exactly who they are already.

It literally takes two seconds to google their names. If the judge names them they aren't losing their anonymity. It doesn't exist in this day and age

Although I agree with this as it's very easy to find out the names, I think there is a difference in that it will be all over every newspaper and TV channel for days. Not saying that they shouldn't be named though, I'm not sure.

I know the press also want the 999 call the woman who found Brianna made to be made public though, and have made an application and I really can't see why that's in the public interest.

Yes agree with this, it's near impossible to keep their names a secret in this day and age.

On the other hand, as PPs have said, it must be very difficult for the families though. Within 1 mile of our house we've had two very serious National cases where a crime has been committed by a young adult (both were 18, so adults, but still living at home/at college/school etc). It was very tough on the families who weren't to blame but still were seen as somehow involved because the young person was still viewed as a "teen". Very tough.

They'd be named once they turn 18 anyway. But I was a bit surprised that the decision was taken to name them now.

We have had a case recently locally where a young person died in tragic circumstances which are still under police investigation. So although the case was reported in the press and the sex and age of the person given, no name was stated. Everyone locally knows who it was and what happened.

It is impossible to stop people talking to each other in the street and impossible to stop everyone posting on social media.

I heard the judges reasoning is that they are less than 2 years off 18 when they can be named anyway so felt it was just dragging things out till then and then there would be big media coverage again when named. In the case of a younger child commiting a crime they may at least have some time before rehabilition before being named so decisions in other cases have been different. Apparently it is also the case that they are not named if under 18 unless someone makes an application to the court, in this case I think it was the daily mirror, the judge then decides following the application. If no one made an application they would not be named until 18

Definitely should be named. Why shouldn't they be? Names are over the internet. The girl is on Facebook. Her photo she looks like butter wouldn't melt. Shocking 😞

I don't think the killers factored whether they'd be anonymous or not into their actions tbh. But yes, absolutely they shouldn't be protected by anonymity.

I suspect if one of your children acted like this, your responses would be very different/
Before you pile on saying 'my child would never act like that', remember, I doubt the parents of those kids thought they had brought up their kids to murder either
Every time a thread such as this, or for example, killers with obvious, diagnosed enduring MH issues, appears, most of MN appear to turn into a braying mob complete with flaming torches and pitchforks, or knitting at the guillotine
Not saying such crimes are not horrendous, but it is rare that there is not some underlying reason for such criminal behaviour

I don't see what purpose it serves. They're in jail where they belong, that's all we as members of the public need to know.

If they're released they would be given new identities anyway.

Have they been officially named already?

Sometime today.

They're going to be named at their sentencing hearing today.

It makes no difference to their rehabilitation to be honest either way. If they decide to release them and give them new identities they’ll never be found - Robert Thompson in the James Bulger case is a good example of this.

If anyone shouldn’t be named it’s the victims because they have no say and did not choose the situation. Name the perpetrators by all means.