Fallon Fox - Is This Legalised Hate Crime?

[NickAndNora]

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/fallon-fox-why-hormones-dont-make-a-woman/

(Warning - The link contains descriptions and images of violence inflicted upon a woman)

Is it right that a transwoman with a history of homophobia towards lesbian women is given a forum in which to inflict violence upon those women? Reading this article I am left with the following thoughts -

1 - It is never fair for a transwoman to compete against women in sport.
2 - Fallon Fox is the transactivist threat of violence towards women come to life.
3 - The law and the media are putting transwomen's rights above women's safety. Transwomen need separate rights that do not infringe upon women's safety.
4 - Nicola Adams, a fabulous role model for women and lesbian and bisexual women, manages to be a boxer and maintain a cheery and friendly disposition. Does Fallon Fox's aggressive, threatening attitude reveal male socialisation?
5 - For some men is transgenderism a refuge from their failure to succeed amongst men - beta male to alpha female?

[RustyParker]

I'm a long term lurker on FWR and wish I could be as eloquent as the main posters in this section so I hope what I say makes sense (not confident posting on social media at all)

I've read a few articles this Fallon Fox fight / assault and the thing that really jumped out at me and disturbed me was the transactivists before the fight literally baying for blood. They wanted Tamikka really hurt and pulverised and were rejoicing in the horrific injuries this poor woman suffered at Fox's hands.

The fact that Tamikka is a lesbian, not just a woman, made their glee even worse. It would appear they felt she should be punished on behalf of lall esbians for the "cotton ceiling".

Looking at the photos of Fallon Fox in her fighting bikini, she is still built very obviously as a man. I don't buy into the hormones making her weaker argument; she is clearly much more muscular and larger than the average woman MMA fighter. I know in boxing there are weight categories; welterwight, heavy weight, fly weight etc. I would be interested to know if there is the same in MMA? If there isn't, them Tamikka was a lamb to the slaughter and this was a sanctioned assault.

[ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy]

Someone posted a very thoughtful thing about boxing and how it was controlled the other day - a good fight is a well matched fight etc. I'll try and link it.

[PuffinsAreFicticious]

Rusty, that was eloquently put.

There are weight classes in MMA.

If thinking what Foxx did here is unacceptable is transphobic, then I'm going have a badge made. She still has the physique of a man, she shouldn't have been allowed to half kill her opponent.

[MyGastIsFlabbered]

I object to the article constantly referring to the transgender individuals as 'he' when they are post op & therefore 'she'. Couldn't get past that I'm afraid.

[AnnieLobeseder]

While I don't deny the existence of a faction of transactivism who are anti-lebsian and anti-feminist, that article obviousy has a HUGE agenda and anti-trans slant, blithely referrring to trans women as "he" and "men". Like MyGastis, I couldn't move past the obvious anti-trans language.

[ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy]

Here's one without the pronoun issue:

whoatv.com/exclusive-fallon-foxs-latest-opponent-opens-up-to-whoatv/

[BriarRainbowshimmer]

Yet another shocking incident where MTF's desire of being treated exactly the same as biologically female women actually harms the latter.
(Yes, I think of the locker room and prison issues.) You would think that the most logical and courteous thing to do when you grew up male and have a male body would be to not compete against women in combat sports. There should be seperate category in these sports.

I don't know anything about MMA but it seemed from the article that even MMA fans were shocked by Fallon's brutality? So not only was it not a fair match but Fallon acted with particular aggression.

[PuffinsAreFicticious]

I'll agree that the deliberate misgendering of Foxx was perhaps goady , however, in what way is it worse than someone who is physiologically male and anatomically male being able to legally batter the shit out if a woman, while their 'fans'' egg her on to make her bleed?

Of course gendertrender has an agenda.

[BriarRainbowshimmer]

Perhaps it's goady. I don't know. I fully admit that it's extremely hard for me to see a violent male individual who has beaten up a woman badly and then think of them as "she."

[gincamparidryvermouth]

"I can't see past the use of male pronouns" - you are LITERALLY blinded to male violence against women. Hurt male feelings > fractured female skull. What a fucking joke.

[gincamparidryvermouth]

Imagine a world in which a woman stating a fact is more offensive than a biological male being paid to beat up a lesbian.

Oh wait.

[BriarRainbowshimmer]

Yes, who do you think is hurt the most - Fallon Fox by being called a man by people on the internet or Tamikka Brents by the head injuries Fallon caused her?

[PuffinsAreFicticious]

I completely agree Gin and Briar. The fact that Foxx being referred to as he is WORSE than the battering they gave a lesbian woman to the cries of other trans*women and their allies baying for blood is mind bending. Apparently Tamikka 'deserves' this treatment because some random people posted things that the activists/allies didn't like and she wasn't fast enough deleting them.

She may never fight again.

[GinAndSonic]

I am genuinely shocked that fallon fox is allowed to compete against women. I dont think i agree with trans women competing in the womens field of any sport, but especially not one which is so physically violent.

[grimbletart]

I have no problems at all getting past the pronoun. That blog has far more important points to talk about than whether Fallon Fox is a man, a woman or anywhere in-between.

[UriGeller]

I do find this appalling and the injuries Brent suffered at the hands of Foxx are worse than she may have got being defeated by a woman.

But, I'm not sure i understand why Brent didn't just refuse to fight Foxx in the first place. Surely this would be where it could have been resolved. If no woman in the MMA would agree to be an opponent for Foxx then Foxx wouldn't get to mangle a female opponent. I'm not being adversarial, I guess I'm confused. Were Foxx's female opponents unaware of Foxx's biological sex?

[RustyParker]

Uri Originally Fox didn't disclose her transgender status and fought 2 fights - then I think suspicions were aroused, the governing body suspended her while they looked at the issue then gave the go ahead for her to continue fighting as a woman.

There is one, I believe prominent, MMA fighter who has refused to fight Fox and is being hounded and goaded on social media by Fox and her fans. Maybe Tamikka Brent gave into the pressure?

p.s. Thank you puffin for your encouraging words upthead

[ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy]

Brent was originally fighting someone else; her first opponent pulled out (don't know why)

Plus - she's in an organisation? Presumably if she refuses fights there might be consequences. The MMA have deemed Foxx a suitable opponent so such a refusal might result in loss of points etc.

And - how could Brent have known ahead what it would be like? The message is that the hormonal treatment impacts the body strength of Foxx. She may well refuse to fight her another time.

I assume the last five wins and one loss by Foxx weren't so controversial.

[UriGeller]

Thanks Rusty.

[AnnieLobeseder]

gincamparidryvermouth - you misunderstand my misgiving about the use of the male pronouns for Fox. I couldn't give a shiny shit about her/his feelings. For me it was entirely a question of how much confidence I could place in the accuracy of an article which obviously had such a vehement anti-trans agenda. As it is, I agree with the questions raised in the article, and I agree with everything other posters have said about it being appalling that someone with a typically male physiology and a significant size/weight advantage was allowed to fight in a female category, going on to inflict such awful injuries. BUT, I won't allow myself to blindly believe everything written in an article with a very obvious slant just because it happens to align with my own (possibly justified) prejudices.

For example, is it common for the female followers of female competitors to trash talk their opponents and hope for "blood" in the same way as the trans women quoted? How often do fights between two born women end in these kinds of injuries? How do the categories work with regards matching weight, strength and ability? How much thought has been given by the governing body to trans women competing in physical sports where injuries inflicted on each other are expected and common? Or did they use Tamikka as a guinea pig to see what would happen?

There's just too much emotive language and too little objective fact for me to draw any meaningful message from this particular article.

[NickAndNora]

Annie

Do you think atheists should be forced to say they believe in God? If you know transwomen are men then why should you be forced to call them women? Surely that is the whole issue? Nobody can actually change sex and being a woman is not an identity. If we didn't know that transwomen were men there is no way we'd be following our conditioning and allowing them to intimidate us into putting their feelings first.

[ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy]

Nick, regardless of pronouns, that was an article coming very clearly from one perspective.

That's fine, so do plenty of articles, but it will impact how they are received.

Did Foxx tweet things similar to "make her bleed" or was it supporters of Foxx who did?

[MoreCrackThanHarlem]

I'm possibly too angry to post at the moment, but actually am beyond the point of giving a fuck

Once again, the rights of women are trampled by a man in a bikini calling himself a woman.
I am not anti trans. I absolutely stand for the rights of others to live as they choose. You want to live as a woman, your choice.
I will not ever recognise you as a woman in terms of work, sporting contest, sexual relationships or education. Because surgery and hormones do not make you a woman. They simply adapt your male body to make you more passable as one.

It's the emperor's new clothes.
And we must all accept this for fear of being labelled trans phobic? That you are a woman despite your biological sex?
Bollocks.