"Tell me how many people could have been convicted for squeezing a girl's arse, nearly every guy could be up for that."

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would nearly every man be up for that? Surely this kind of thing isn't normal behaviour even for men!

Squeezing a girls arse in isolation, is a lot less than what he was accused of doing. Sadly, I reckon most men will have squeezed/pinched a girls bottom.

Nor mine.

I can imagine less than 1% of my male friends doing it, if they mean randomly groping a stranger...

I can say with almost perfect certainty that DH has never pinched the bum of anmyone he wasn't dating or married to.
Just not the way he behaves.
It is not a holier than thou thing. He just wouldn't do it. He would think it unbelievably crass

Speaking outside the court, he said: "I'm a black man and I have been tried by a white jury. It's pretty clear what happened in that court and it's the opposite of justice.

Twat.

He's lucky she didn't push him down the stairs.

Just checked - my fiancé has never randomly pinched the bum of a stranger. Before i'd asked though, i had no idea. I've had it happen to me loads of times (in the past, if anyone did it now their hand would soon be disconnected from their arm) it's commonplace.

Although I do think he has a point, in that he had every right to expect to get away with it. It's just that what happened here was right, and what usually happens is wrong.

Do love the fact that he is blaming a white jury, when there er wasn't a jury.

Isn't that all three male members of N Dubz who have been tangled up with accusations of rape/assault now?

ha swc. I will have to ask DP later. He definitely hasn't had a public school education, but it's impossible to imagine him doing that to a stranger. He's too busy talking usually for a start.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that dp had squeezed a woman who wasn't his girlfriend's arse at some point (before meeting me, that is). But only if she'd squeezed his arse, first.

But this Fagan chap - he's a real charmer, isn't he? I'm sure the women of Glasgow are distraught to think that he holds them is such low regard

Elephants I agree.
Some people do seem to think it's nothing and that men should be let off for what is just male behaviour, and often they are.

This kind of assault happens a lot but nothing ever gets done about it.

this reminds me of Roman Polanski saying 'Of course I want to fuck little girls, everyone wants to fuck little girls, judges and juries want to fuck little girls.'

What a prick.

Of course men should be prosecuted for that, they just rarely are in practice.

It just shows you the mesage our legal system and our culture sends to men about what is an acceptable way to treat women. He admits groping her (the charge) and then proceeds to be indignant when he is found guilty of a crime!

I don't think that most men would do this, but as we all know too many do without fear of any repucussions. It is a sexual assault, however, so they should all be prosecuted.

Maybe that is the difference having a woman on the bench makes in cases like this...

Gah, lost a long post.

Key point was I know someone who was charged with indecent assault for allegedly putting their hand on a woman's bottom. Charges were brought but case collapsed at last minute when complaint decided she didn't want to testify. Accused denied it all and pleaded not guilty. Clearly highly inappropriate if happened but I did also think that for literally an alleged pat on bottom not witnessed and done by someone without a "history" I was surprised the CPS pursued it with such vigour.

Classic stuff wasn't it, the same as you hear from rapists:

• I am famous, why would I need to assault somebody when I have women all over me?

• She was ugly and jealous

• She made it up because she was annoyed with me

I do agree axis at the same time I am not surprised that more women don't persue this kind of thing for fear that they are laughed out of court because it's just 'boys being boys'.

Well, to be honest I sincerely doubt I would ever go to the police purely over a pat on the bum and whilst technically it can be sexual assault it is very much on the mild end of what makes up that category. The reported case with the singer was more than that though.

In respect of a pat/squeeze on the bum I do think quite a few blokes would see it in a different, less sexual category, than a grope of the breasts say. Whilst neither are acceptable certainly I think I'd find the latter more offensive if done to me than the former.

what is it, though, that makes a man grow up thinkingnit's ok to pat or pinch a stranger's bum.

If it were a normal or natural thing to do wouldn't more women be doing it to men? It is a violation imo.

Yeah, I think it's something pretty mild in that friends I know do it to each other as a joke. But there are lots of things that are fine between friends when you know you are safe and what the boundaries are, that are scary and horrible coming from a stranger.

I always think it's interesting how people stereotype feminists as believing that 'all men are rapists' when in fact IME feminists are more likely to be saying sexual violence is not normal behaviour and most men, actually, don't do it.

I was groped at work by a guy younger than me, by way of protest I said in the loudest voice "Never ever touch my or anyone's arse at work again, this is 1999 not 1959, you silly little boy."

I think the sad fact is, that because he is in a band, he usually does get away with it

good on those girls for taking him to task...and good on the sheriff for saying what he did wasn't acceptable