Your teen wins as soon as you raise your voice, they are looking for conflict.
Your rules should always be...
Ask first
Tell second
Punish third
Ask them to do something, if no reaction, then tell them, if no reaction punish them, never raise your voice or argue with them as you are the parent.
Trust me not easy but it works
Chris
QOD
Mon 28-Jan-13 17:09:30
Umm ok
Have you got teens?
they're evil
MrsPresley
Mon 28-Jan-13 17:17:14
Seriously, will that really work?
Why didn't someone tell me that when my eldest became a teen 27 years ago, then her sister, then her brother, could have saved me lot of shouting discussions.
Never mind, fingers crossed, I'll see if it works with the youngest not a hope in hell
PS, it didn't work when I was a teen either 
threesocksmorgan
Mon 28-Jan-13 17:18:32
thanks Chris
that doesn't work by the way
If I had followed those rules I would have been toast
Yes had 4 teens and worked with teens for over 16yrs.
(PS in case your wondering no not a troll :-) )
And yes it does work
Chris
You missed out a line...
and repeat
threesocksmorgan
Mon 28-Jan-13 17:23:08
who is Chris?
it doesn't work
Seriously?
So, after one cycle of ask/tell/punish - your teens always did as they were asked first time?
What kind of punishments did you dole out?
I was saying never repeat yourself say it only once....
Of course you may need to repeat it the next day etc...
Chris
TaggieCampbellBlack
Mon 28-Jan-13 17:34:02
You are wrong.
I have only ever had to ask once.
I am perfect as are my teenagers.
Ah well that told us didn't it.
I am so glad you were there for me Chris
I only have to raise my eyebrows.
Oh but Chris you don't have any children
How did you come by your precious knowledge?
I think any teenager who doesn't rattle your cage isn't doing their job properly and is not preparing for life without you where they will not always want to toe the line and obey rules
<mind boggles at ask, tell, punish>
wah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Go have some teens, Chris old bean, and then come and tell us how that's working out for you
BackforGood
Mon 28-Jan-13 17:43:49
Gosh - whoever would have thought it?
So glad you have imparted that drop of wisdom.
Life will be plain sailing for us all now.
What about Arse Kick repeat
Or wine pour ignore
which was what I did
theDudesmummy
Mon 28-Jan-13 17:51:14
My DH's maxim with his teenage daughters would be: Tell first. That's it. (there is no need for any more steps). Amazingly it works.
And no, he has never hit them or punished them (well, not since they were teengares anyway which is the only way I have known them. I think when they were little they may have got sent to their room).
PS I would be on the "wine pour ignore plan" if it had ever been up to me, but given that they have never needed telling twice on anything, I never needed any techniques!
<settles in with biscuits>