Anyone successfully got rid of lines/wrinkles under the eyes?

[singingsixpence82]

I had botox for the first time a few weeks ago and while it has worked miracles for the lines at the side of my eyes (they have gone completely), I think it has made some of the lines under my eyes deeper as I am now using different muscles in my face. The clinic owner who did it says there is nothing you can do about lines under your eyes unless you have actual bags and they're bad enough for surgery which mine are not. She said you can't use botox as they're not caused by muscles.

I've done a bit of googling though and there is plenty online which contradicts this. I'm not sure if it's true though. Clinics aren't usually in the practice of saying there's nothing that can be done if something can be done as there's money in it for them. But also, I think of all the famous women who are in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond and don't look any different to how they did in their 20s and I think that they must be doing something. But what is it?!

[Wellhellothere1]

I would agree with the clinic therapist. I've had botox under my eyes and I think it really only works well where there is a muscle behind the wrinkle. So I find botox very effective for my forehead lines, my 11's and crows feet at the side of my eyes.
I have been using tretinoin cream for the last year or so, building up very slowly on my face and have now started using this right under my eye so am hopeful of results.
Have you seen any of the Hot and Flashy videos on you tube? She's great for information re tretinoin, botox, lasers etc as per your other post.

[singingsixpence82]

Thanks Wellhellothere - I've just checked Hot and Flashy out. I'm off to google tretinoin cream too. It's disappointing that there isn't anything more effective - the stars must be using something. Maybe it just costs millions. But if these creams do something then that's better than nothing.

[Jmangel]

The stars are probably having blepharoplasty - eye tuck. It removes bags and tightens up the whole under eye area so that the wrinkles are stretched taut.

[singingsixpence82]

Hmm, possible Jmangel but when I asked about the possibility of surgery (out of curiosity) she said my skin isn't anywhere near bad enough. And with a lot of celebs they don't seem to get bad then get better. They seem to just always look the same. Do you think they do blepharoplasty for them even when their skin can't be all that bad? The clinic lady said you'd need proper bags before anyone would agree to doing it.

[singingsixpence82]

Wellhellothere - can I ask what kind of results you got when you tried botox under your eyes? Obviously not great but was there any improvement at all?

[SnakePlisskensMum]

I have fillers in the place you're talking about. It's pretty specialised though, I go to an opthamologist who also does cosmetic treatments and I completely trust her. It totally takes them away. Some call it tear trough filler, it reduces eye bags/dark circles but has the added benefit of getting rid of those wrinkles that sit high on your cheeks.

[SquareDolphin]

I have zero eye lines or wrinkles at 44. No botox, fillers or surgery.

My method is Tretinoin used right up to lash line (for years), also micro needling to rebuild collagen (this works like Fraxel laser if done properly / surgical depth). Also occassional red light treatments (high intensity, during recovery period post micro needling). If anything looks like its trying to become a wrinkle, I zap it with a retionoic acid peel .

It's the most difficult area to correct when it starts ageing.

I'm also in massive sunnies pretty much 24/7 to prevent sun damage.

[SquareDolphin]

BTW, when the above fails me I will be going down the tear trough fillers road snake mentions in a flash.

[Buttwing]

I had Botox under my eyes for the first time last time I had Botox done. My under eye wrinkles were moderate and they were definitely improved I am going to have them done again when I go at the end of the month.
The clinic I use is in Cheshire if that is any Use to you but I believe the doctor also does work in London. I'd never heard of Botox being used under eyes before but I was impressed. He did say that it wouldnt get rid of severe wrinkles but mild to moderate ones could be helped.

[Sillybillypoopoomummy]

Please could you message me the details Snake? That sounds like just who I need...

[singingsixpence82]

Hmm, I don't have sunken under eye areas so I don't know if anyone would do it for me but I'm curious as to who you go to SnakePlisskensMum - I'm guessing you're nowhere near me? I'm in central Scotland but I'd consider travelling if I was a good candidate. How much do you pay can I ask?

[Jmangel]

Snake, where is your ophthalmologist based?

[singingsixpence82]

Square - I wish I knew these things 10 years ago! I used Roc products for a while with Retinol but switched to boots number 7 protect and perfect given the media presented it as the most advanced stuff ever and pretty much the only stuff really proven to do anything. I'm going to try and get my hands on some Tretinoin. Do I need a prescription? Angie who does the Hot and Flashy youtube videos recommended above was raving about it but said she needed a prescription (although she's in the states). And can you get microneedling and/or red light treatments done in many cosmetic clinics? I've heard very little if anything about either which surprises me if they're supposed to work. And how effective are the retinoic peels? I asked my lady about peels and she said they didn't really deal with wrinkles.

Buttwing and Square - if you would message me the details of your doctors I'd very much appreciate it (if you don't want to post their details on here).

[Wellhellothere1]

I would say when I had Botox under my eyes it really just worked for the end of the fine lines leading from my eyes and finishing on top of my cheekbone. I felt as if the lines 'merged' and instead of a few fine lines, they became one or two deep lines. I'm sure no-one else noticed but I didn't think this area was worth the money. Fillers may also be an option depending on how deep the lines are. I've recently had fillers in my cheeks and felt this has smoothed my under eye area a little.
I'm in Ayrshire so PM me if you need any more info on the nurse I go to. She's good.

[Wellhellothere1]

Regarding tretinoin-'officially' it's a prescription only medicines so yes it does need a prescription. You could perhaps visit a private dermatologist and get a private prescription or do what most of us others do-order from pharmacy Geoff online.
If you get tretinoin go very, very slowly as it causes a fair amount of peeling.

[SquareDolphin]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/style_and_beauty/2602556-Before-I-shell-out-my-hard-earned-wonga-on-that-eye-lash-growing-stuff?pg=2&order=

singing check out this thread....there's a poster who can PM you details of a Tretinoin supplier who doesn't require script. (I also get mine off script, but am not in UK)

I will dig out some links for you on red light and micro needling and peels.

I will say that if your lady says peels don't deal with wrinkles then you need to upgrade her

[singingsixpence82]

Thanks for that info people! PharmacyGeoff looks worth a look but is it definitely legal if you would normally need a prescription? And is the tretinoin good for turning back time or does it just stop if from progressing so quickly? I'm 34 and I've put up with fine lines and some wrinkles until now and I'm just at the point where I can live with them as they are but not for much longer. I don't mind a bit of peeling to begin with but I will tread carefully, thanks for the tip!

And that is hopeful about the skin peels, Square, as is any forthcoming info on red light and micro needling. Thank you! I had thought peels were supposed to work wonders for wrinkles and lines and was surprised that my lady said they're just for texture. Her clinic has a very good reputation so I thought I'd chosen well. Although an awful lot of clinics seem to have won awards saying they're the best in the country from the basic research I've done.

[SnakePlisskensMum]

I go to Dr Bohjani-Lynch at Laser and Light in Loughborough, people from all over the country visit, she's a wizard

[Destinysdaughter]

Ooh I love threads like this!

Loughborough isn't too far from me...

[FrownsAndDimples]

I heard I was mentioned (waves). Thing about pharmacygeoff is that it comes from abroad which takes a while I'm told. My lady is next day.

I am 33 this year and started a few years back. Like square I also take it right upto lash line. So far so good. No lines yet.

Singingsixpence It is good at preventing so I'd start now. And you'll even see good results in the existing lines too I bet.

Is microneedling as scary as it sounds? I'm a wuss with needles.

[squoosh]

PharmacyGeoff's delivery time is about a week.

[BringMeTea]

Just stocked up on tretinoin in Thailand. It really does work.

[ThenLaterWhenItGotDark]

Mine came from Thailand via Ebay as well. No probs, takes about a week.

[singingsixpence82]

I've reread the thread and I have a few more questions and comments.

First thank you snake for the recommendation. I have emailed them via their online contact form. Hooray.

Square - is microneedling just the same as dermaroller? I had that for some pigmentation but it didn't work. I forgot to notice if it had any other effects although probably not as I only had two sessions. And can you have it right under your eyes? I would think probably not but maybe you don't need to if it's just to spark collagen production. And the retinoic acid peel - is that something you get from a cosmetic surgeon? Does it require a lot of specialist knowledge or can anyone just spread stuff allover your face and then it works?

I emailed a bunch of clinics last night and got my first responses back today. I sent some of them photos if they gave a proper email address to write to. Some just said book in for a consultation but others made a few comments about what might work. Strangely none of them mentioned the things that have been mentioned on this thread even though they have clearly worked for some of you. I do wonder if a little more botox might be worth trying. Or some fillers. We shall see what the others say when they reply.

Regarding people saying some things only work for mild to moderate wrinkles; my lines aren't there at all when I'm not smiling. They're more like deep creases in my face when I smile. I'm hoping this doesn't mean nothing can be done. I'd be ok if the ends of them weren't so bad - they're just so long though they look weird as anything and not even really like normal lines. I think what someone said about several wrinkles seeming to come together and form bigger deeper ones is what's happened. Maybe the answer is to avoid botox and try and get rid of the other wrinkles some other way but it sounds like the results might be limited.

And finally does anyone take any supplements/collagen drinks? I've been reading that there has been some research recently that suggests they might be more effective than first thought.

[Kingfisherfree]

Dynamic wrinkles can only be helped with fillers as it's the loss of fat from your face and your skin thining as you age.