Embracing my curls

(135 Posts)
Bumbolina Thu 23-Jan-14 07:06:46

I've got wavy/curly hair if I leave it to dry with a bit of mousse. I like it and would like to embrace my curls - what can I do to encourage them? I have days when they curl brilliantly and others where they barely kink!

I've been reading stuff online and a couple of websites have suggested not shampooing...?

CoteDAzur Wed 12-Feb-14 16:28:57

" protein masks claim to penetrate the shaft?"

And do what when they get there? Hair cells are dead. It's not like they can grow/replenish/get healthier when 'fed' protein [puzzled]

I'm always a bit hmm when asked if I want a mask at hairdressers. It feels like a con - overpriced conditioner left on your hair for 10 minutes so they can charge you as much as for a haircut.

I use hair conditioner in the shower to comb through my hair (with fingers) and then use the cream I mentioned downthread to define curls and then a tiny bit of silicon serum to zapp fizziness when hair is completely dry.

ProjectGainsborough Wed 12-Feb-14 11:00:43

Probably cote - I would assume conditioner works in the same way. Avocados are fatty, so I guess you could consider them an oil too.(Although don't protein masks claim to penetrate the shaft?)

In terms of drains, this is the first time I've done one, so I will report back in time! TBH, though, the mask is liquid (needs to be blended in the whizzer) so I would imagine it washes away in the same way that any conditioner is washed down the drain. As long as your water pressure is decent and you clean the bath, I would have thought it would be ok.

CoteDAzur Tue 11-Feb-14 14:40:41

I'm curious, too.

I'm also puzzled by the idea of hair masks. Hair is made up of dead cells, so can't benefit from fruits or whatever, contrary to skin for example which you can argue does benefit from a face mask.

So I don't get how a hair mask is supposed to nourish hair. Surely if hair is less fizzy & shiny as a result, it's because some of the oil in the mask is still on the hair?

mathanxiety Tue 11-Feb-14 14:30:31

A quick question for people who do masks like that -- do you not get smelly and blocked drains?

ProjectGainsborough Tue 11-Feb-14 12:46:21

Just reviving this thread to say I have FINALLY managed to get an appt with Matthew James in Bham in early March. He is a popular man! Scarlett I will report back.

Also seeing a huge reduction in frizz after DIY-ing an avocado and olive oil mask last night.

Solo Fri 07-Feb-14 10:04:51

I think that has occurred once, just once and that was after she was ill, sweaty etc. I remember pointing it out to her.
Over washing hair takes away all the natural oils.

I know what you mean by 'topiary' type cutting. I watched a youtube tutorial about it and that hairdresser left her daughters hair loose and it was shoulder length (when dry)...plus she was about 2yo.
For us right now, it's about keeping Dd's hair tidy and out of her face.

Let's just agree to disagree shall we? seems the best thing to do as we will probably never agree smile but thank you for your opinions and tips.

CoteDAzur Fri 07-Feb-14 09:24:33

My hair is really long so I let the hairdresser trim its length.

Then I cut into my hair at home, when clean and dry, to give it volume & bounce in the right places.

I have never seen mine or the children's bath water turn grey, brown, or black after washing hair and I'm really surprised that you think hair isn't dirty unless that happens.

mathanxiety Fri 07-Feb-14 03:13:31

It's just the concept that is like topiary. The shape you end up with doesn't have to resemble shrubbery. Cutting straight across while dry is what I do with DD3's hair. With DD2 I cut some layers while dry. I do my own too, using a mirror attached to the shower curtain behind me and the mirror over the sink in front, and always dry.

I must confess I am shock that water would ever be dark/grey/brown when anyone's hair was washed.

Solo Fri 07-Feb-14 00:02:01

It certainly feels like judgement from here! if you had my daughters hair, I think you would be plaiting her hair daily too, especially as she wants long hair. It's practical and tidy. I know that brushing curly hair makes it frizzy (I've had many arguments with my own Mum about that as she's a big fan of soap and water/brushing hair 100 times each night ~ you get the picture...Victorian type!), but plaiting takes that away. When I was working, I had to plait her hair before she went to bed for school the next day or she would've looked a complete mess for school.
If I wasn't keeping my child clean, I could understand you thinking whatever it is you're thinking, but she is clean; I don't leave her hair for months on end; I wash it when it needs to be washed...usually every fortnight and you know what? the water is hardly ever dark/grey/brown to indicate dirty hair.
I understand why you might think that everyone should wash their/their childrens hair all the time, but it is not my view.

Do I need to be on the lookout for child welfare at the front door?!wink

CoteDAzur Thu 06-Feb-14 23:32:49

Solo - I'm not judging (truly) but I have to say that I am a bit sad for a little girl whose hair is always in plaits and gets washed only once every 2-3 weeks.

Solo Thu 06-Feb-14 23:28:22

I've only cut it dry once ~ never again! plus, because it's plaited daily, if I did the topiary cut, the ends would be all over the place. I get what you mean, but I just cut it straight across as there are no layers; it's just to keep the ends healthy.

mathanxiety Thu 06-Feb-14 17:10:26

It really couldn't be anything but dirty if only wash every 2-3 weeks. Apart from sweat, there is dust and airborne dirt that will gather there.

Wash and condition it comprehensively every 3-4 days at the least and the bittiness will diminish.

Cutting curly hair is much easier if done dry. It's a process more like topiary care than traditional hair cutting as you can see how the curls lie, and maintain or create the shape you want with confidence that that is the shape you will get. Cutting it wet is taking a big chance.

Solo Thu 06-Feb-14 14:05:11

I cut her hair myself...after washing as cutting curly hair is not easy.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 06-Feb-14 12:04:40

Things which are not washed for three weeks are dirty!
But yes, I would think that a trim would be good for bitty hair. Just wash it before you take her!

Solo Thu 06-Feb-14 11:46:57

It isn't dirty! if it was dirty it would smell and it doesn't smell! and yes, I know it's not about how often hair is washed! I was asking about ideas as to how I could deal with bitty hair on Dd, ie is there anything that can mend, make better bitty hair (not split ends, just bitty) other than just cutting it by 12".

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 06-Feb-14 11:41:46

Well, it will be dirty if it's not washed for 2-3 weeks! Really it will.

Anyway, this isn't a thread about how often people should wash their children's hair, and I'm sorry for getting distracted by that.

Solo Thu 06-Feb-14 11:33:43

I don't actually let my hair get to the smell stage. I know that's what it says up there, but I don't because I 'brush' my hair with my fingers and you know how your hair feels etc and the need to wash it...And what exactly is 'unfair' about not washing Dd's hair every couple of days? she doesn't have greasy/oily hair and nor do I. I just can't fathom why I 'need' to wash hair that isn't dirty. Certainly, the most frequent I'd ever wash her hair is once a week, but never more so.

TheOriginalSteamingNit Thu 06-Feb-14 11:20:44

I wash mine so that I don't ever have to notice that stinks or is dirty though - it's a preventive, isn't it?

I think it might be fairer to dd to wash it a bit more often, you know.

Solo Thu 06-Feb-14 10:14:58

Oh no...she's a good friend and her culture means that she speaks her mind! grin

Rastas happen because they don't cut or brush my friend most certainly washes his very long dreads.
I have no intention of 'giving it a go' Cote. Her hair is not stinking and it's not dirty. If it was, I'd wash it. My own hair is washed if it is dirty or smells. We aren't mingers!!

TheRaniOfYawn Thu 06-Feb-14 10:02:08

Argh. I just had a bad haircut which took off length but not volume. Now my hair just looks bushy.

CoteDAzur Thu 06-Feb-14 06:53:13

Ok so you don't want to wash your own hair because you can't comfortably lift your hands above your head. Why don't you want to wash your DD's hair? It's only torture for all involved because you wash it so infrequently. Rastas happen because her hair isn't washed.

Can you just give it a go? Wash her hair twice in one week and see if her hair is more manageable & washing it gets easier?

mathanxiety Thu 06-Feb-14 03:00:21

It strikes me that comment could have meant 'you would never know it was ever washed' just as much as 'you'd never know it is washed so infrequently it looks so good.' Even assuming she meant it as a compliment, she was still surprised at the infrequency of washing, or she wouldn't have said 'you'd never know'. And people are often more polite IRL than here, as you may have noticed...

Solo Thu 06-Feb-14 00:43:15

In fact, one of the other Mums was talking about washing her Dd's hair and I said I only washed my Dd's every 2-3 weeks and she was very impressed that it looked so good. As she said "you'd never know"
Works for us.

Solo Thu 06-Feb-14 00:35:54

It does not smell! in the warmer months when she gets sweaty and it starts to smell sweaty (sweaty, not dirty ), I wash it. No way would I not wash it if it stank! I'm very fussy/funny about smells and dirty people, so I can assure you that her hair does not smell.

CoteDAzur Wed 05-Feb-14 06:20:12

What math said.

Nobody said its fun to wash children with curly hair but you can't just leave your daughter's hair unwashed for weeks on end.

We had hot water once a week when I was growing up, so that was when my hair was washed. I can't imagine my mum saying, "No actually, I'm not washing your hair this week because I can't be bothered. Keep it dirty for another week".

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