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elph, my dh talking cc sleep training too. We've not tried it, but it will definitely wake DT2 up, he sometimes wakes him anyway and we really try to keep him quiet, and may wake dd up, depends what time of night it is...

such, or should I call you amateur? anyone who says things like we've all been there, when you know full well they've had a decent sleeper, incite me to near commiting GBH levels of fury.

I'll have to stop now, heavy, snotty, coughing dt1 is rocked into submission on one arm so i can mn on my phone with the other, but despite being able to lug two 13 month olds around I can't keep this position up any longer

Oh, and needles, was it you who asked? I've 3 under 3, dd 2.8, dts 13.5 months. One wakes once usually, sometimes more, and The Were-Baby, DT1...

Oh poppy & elph, I'm actually laughing properly, marvellous <giggles childishly again>

So, poppy, finally I have good news for you. My DD, now 2 yr 8 months, was terrible, up every 90 minutes if not more til 3 months, then into her own room, and slept through after 1 week in there. I honestly thoguth it was our amazing bedtime routine, good pattern of naps (though all had in a sling) general parenting skills. She started sleeping dreadfully when I was pg with the twins, dreadfully. A typical night, it'd take 2-3 hours to get her to bed, sitting on the landing, gradual retreat etc etc. Then she'd wake at say midnight and it could take til 5 am to get her to sleep again. Twins home, slept through after 2 days. She clearly was unsettled by my pregnancy,and was too little to show it in any other way, than extreme separation anxiety and not sleeping.

<might have to finish early, guess what, DT1 awake- dh gone but its usually as successful as when your dh goes elph>

crap, screaming worse with dh

back later, maybe...
reflux it is, vomiting better, sleep UNCHANGED, FFS.

"Rock. Hard"

Are things heating up at Casa-*Elph*? <wink, wink>

DH is getting insistent that we try sleep training again over the upcoming bank holiday. I don't want to collapse from exhaustion, which I feel permanently on the brink of all of the time, but I don't want to put me and DS through something awful that might not work yet again.

Rock. Hard place.

Thanks, MN App, you piece of shit, that only took six attempts

Fucking MN App! That could be so misinterpreted!

Let me try again...

Rock. Hard

Well, last night she woke up, screamed, refused to nurse, and generally made a right fuss. Tried everything until we ended up feeding her shreddies and grapes at 2am which seemed to calm her down. Still took another hour and a half for her to go back to sleep though. This, I suspect, is the down side to her sudden reduction in feeding. Now if she gets hungry in the night or feels poorly I can't just whip out a boob and instead have to get out of bed to get some food. Outrage!

She seemed fine this morning but then got the most dreaded call from nursery saying she had a fever and she is now curled up on DP's lap fast asleep looking very sorry for herself. Not expecting a happy night tonight.

Well, there's hope for you all then, because up until yesterday that used to be the case for us - she would scream blue murder if DH tried to settle her at night.

I went to the spare room dreading waking up in the middle of the night to her hysteric wailing, but lo and behold she was fine!

This means I can have some nights off <faints>

Envy Poppy. Mine and Elphaba's DC have much in common.

At family party today. DBIL pronounced himself desperate for coffe because his DS woke at 6am. I stuck a fork in his eye

Lucky you, Poppy! See, my DH would dearly love to co-sleep with DS and help settle him. Judging by DS's response when we've tried this, however, you could be forgiven for thinking DH is alternately holding red hot pokers and barbed wire against his skin. Equals - zero sleep for anybody

Sounds like maybe dh should sleep with her more often!

Curses!

Well, get this... DH slept with her last night because I was DYING and really needed some sleep.

She woke up twice, was easily comforted with a dummy and went back to sleep pretty much straight away! WTF?

Nuh. Every two hours as usual.

That's what I'm counting on, Such as DD will only be 20 months.

Elph did he sleep better after that?

Oh and having DD didnt seem to affect DS like Needles DS - but there was a smaller age gap - under 2 years and I do wonder if that means he just wasn't as aware.

Sorry to have shattered dream illusions. To be fair post sleep training, DD did sleep ok (well ok for my kids anyway) for a while. But I think the dirty secret of sleep training is that you have to continue being hardcore and completely consistent, or have to redo. An I was far from consistent.

Poppy 3 yo DS was a bad sleeper but sleep training made him much better, but yes he still wakes more often than not. But he'll usually just go back with a quick tuck in - none of this hours of resettling and then up again two hours later shit, which is the killer. Although this morning, he had put his light on at 3am and was furious to be told he couldn't read a book.

Just you made me laugh with your comment about DH wanting a little loving. Apart from the fact that there is a slight chance it could result in DC3, which is enough destroy any potential spark in my eye, after 12 hours of my little clingons and then the promise of a lively nightahead, I. Do. Not. Want. To. Be. Touched.

Sorry, Poppy

DS slept like a dream until DD was born. In fact, he stopped sleeping the day we brought her home from hospital. He was exactly 2 and a half years old when she was born, and we'd done a great job building him up to it, explaining about the new baby and getting him to help getting cot and clothes ready.

When DS was younger he would have slept for anyone, anywhere and settled quickly and easily.

Now myself or DH spend up to two hours a night sitting on his floor, sitting on the hall floor outside his door, doing the Super-Nanny thing of putting him back to bed etc. All this while I breastfeed DD and try to get her down. Then once he's in bed asleep he'll wake up anytime from around midnight and be a raving banshee shouting and wailing. For a quiet life DH has gone in after he wakes up the 2nd time (usually about 2am) and just sleeps on his floor on a blow-up mattress.

I used to be so proud of his good sleeping habits. Thought I was a great mum. I now realise it was all pot luck, and that has now blown up in my face.

Sorry to be such a misery, but it has made me miserable. DD has been a crap sleeper and crap napper from the very beginning, and with DS as he is too both DH and I are close to breaking point sometimes.

But, for all my misery, there are many many people I know who have two kids who sleep perfectly and all is like a fairytale. Hoping that happens for you, Poppy!

So, yes, onto second wake-up with shattered, full DS here...

He's one on Monday I'm going to be spending much of today trying to pass a cake off as a monkey. It's my first true foray into sugar paste so I may be being a little optimistic. I'm allowing myself plenty of time to get a back-up from Tesco if it goes horribly wrong.

needles my dd is 14 months next week. Like poppy's she never left our bed. We used to have a side cot but decided it was less hassle to just have her in our bed. Last month we even sold the cot. I got it on ebay and managed to sell it for twice the amount we paid so at least I turned a profit

Dd had a bit of reflux when she was little and it still pops up sometimes when she is teething badly, but her main issue was always wind I think, and food intolerance. I'm secretly hoping that her waking will reduce a bit now she is feeding less at night. No sign of that so far but I remain optimistic... sort of.

We have been joining the exploding poo party the past couple of days but it looks like it might be settling down now. Last night was hideous, I'm still shuddering at the memory...the horror! the horror! Tonight we have the neighbourhood cats getting frisky outside, so lots of yowling but hopefully less poo.

Oh god, please don't tell me that - I'm pregnant at the moment!

So do both your DC not sleep, Needles?

I realise that I came to this thread really late. What age are all your LO's now?? I could go back to page 1 and figure it out, but don't think I have the concentration skills to do so.

DS is now 3.3 years and was a super sleeper until DD was born in August 2012. I didn't have any of these issues with him as a newborn/baby.

So those of you on your PFB, please take heart that your next DC may not be such a terror at bedtime. For me, I was shocked to the core of my soul by how different DD has been to DS.

I will never have another child. Nope, not ever. None.

Dreaming, sounds like you might finally see some light at the end of the tunnel there.

Thanks for sharing the symptoms; DD definitely doesn't have reflux...
She has NO PROBLEMS at all, apart from enjoying this twisted way of torturing her parents.

Needles DD is 14 months tomorrow and her bedside cot has never left our room. DH sleeps in the guest room a lot. Sometimes it's just DD on her cot, attached to an empty superking bed, while DH and I huddle in the sitting room, afraid of trying to go to bed.

I'm resigned to the fact that it's not fixable. There, I've said it

Elph said: "he's going to be SO WORN OUT and FULL he'll sleep for ages tonight. Just you wait. He will. Totally."

ha ha ha ha! Sorry, I mean... he's bound to sleep well tonight, Elph! For hours on end. Consecutively!

Bloody hell, MN app having ishoos tonight...

No wet burps. He gagged stupid amounts right up until a month or so ago on any finger foods but I'm pretty sure that was to do with his crappy tongue mobility. He's never seemed like he's in pain and his night time feeds could certainly never be described as short, which in theory they tend to be with reflux. He slept on an angle for a while which changed nothing. I suppose it's good that he doesn't have the discomfort of reflux, but something to point at and blame, apart from the cruel hand of fate, would be nice.

Well, he's eaten buckets today and crawled or toddled with his push-along walker the equivalent of about 50 circuits of the house, so he's going to be SO WORN OUT and FULL he'll sleep for ages tonight. Just you wait. He will. Totally.

Well, I've done a bit of Googling and I don't think DS has any kind of reflux. I remember looking into it back when it first dawned on me that his crappy sleep wasn't getting any better. His spoon and food refusing is really only for me because he's a stubborn little so-and-so and wants to feed himself - he eats ridiculous quantities, however it comes, at nursery, and no