Need your thoughts for Radio London, please, about PETA's 'Baby P' poster

[GeraldineMumsnet]

This PETA poster has been put up in Haringey, the borough where Baby P lived, by PETA, which campaigns for animal rights.

BBC Radio London wants to know your take on this. Do you think shock tactics in ads are acceptable?

Thanks in advance
MNHQ

[Cerened]

I don't like it. I appreciate the message needs to be shocking but just wish Baby P wasn't now being associated with Peta - or in fact, where do you draw the line associating him with any other semi relevant cause?

[ByThePowerOfGreyskull]

although it is accurate I am not sure it is appropriate, it would make me wander off thinking about the evil things people do to each other and less about hurting animals - sorry

[GypsyMoth]

it wasn't what i expected,but good to see that he isn't being exploited by use of his picture. alot of people won't recognise who the man is.

[DuelingFANGo]

Mawkish. Horribly so.

But I suppose they will be appeaking to a section of society they might not have before.

[Tortington]

are they allowed legally to a convicted criminals picture up in an advert?

i think it panders to the torymail and redtop paper mentality.

[Sidge]

I don't like it. IMO it is belittling what that man has done to human beings. Not that animal cruelty isn't awful but it isn't comparable to what he did to children.

[said]

I'm thinking about creulty to children, not animals, when looking at that. So, as a campaign, it doesn't work for me. Plus, think it's pretty cheap.

[squeaver]

Honestly, I think it's a bit subtle and therefore not very good or shocking. Just a bit crap.

[Itsjustafleshwound]

I can't say I would have made the association between the man and Baby P if it wasn't for the title ... perhaps more of a cheap shot than actually shocking ...

[Tortington]

i mean if i were ever convicted of a crime - do i forfeit the rights to my own image?

[DuelingFANGo]

I wonder who, if anyone, owns the copyright on that photograph and if they gave permission for it to be used in this way? Suppose they must have.

[MarthaFarquhar]

looks like a police custody shot to me

[ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave]

It is true, though -- if you can bang someone up while they are still torturing animals it makes it more difficult for them to move onto torturing children (and even if they do they are flagged up in the system).

From subject line of this post I expected something a whole lot more contentious (although clearly it's proving to be contentious as it is). And it surprises me coming from PETA.

[mindalina]

PETA have no shame. I despise them.

Tbh I wouldn't have known who the guy was if I had just seen it in the street, and thus I would completely ignore it as more pointless PETA crap.

I honestly don't think this will gain PETA any sympathy from non-supporters. Quite disgraceful and revolting hijacking of such a sad tale imo.

[ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave]

You don't have rights to your own image, by and large -- the photographer does (with certain limitations and exceptions). And I imagine (disclaimer: don't know for sure but it seems to be how these things work) that in this case the headshot was released after the trial by the police with a general license for use and redistribution.

[Merrylegs]

TBH, if the thread title hadn't said 'Baby P', I wouldn't have known who this man was. I think people would report cruelty to animals anyway. More so than cruelty towards a child, sadly.

[OrmIrian]

No ruby - they promote the ethical treatment of animals generally, including in farming.

I don't think it's such a terribly contentious idea TBH. Cruelty is cruelty - the fact that is is carried out on non-human animals doesn't make it unimportant.

[ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave]

By said on Mon 12-Oct-09 14:21:33
I'm thinking about creulty to children, not animals, when looking at that. So, as a campaign, it doesn't work for me. Plus, think it's pretty cheap.

But that's the point of the campaign, isn't it? You're supposed to think about cruelty to children and that, even if you don't give two shakes of a rat's tale [pun not originally intended, but what the heck] about cruelty to animals, reporting/catching people who abuse animals is helping to avoid future cruelty to children. This is being specifically aimed at people who aren't fussed about animal cruelty, and isn't even attempting to outrage them about animal cruelty (which is what surprised me).

[Gaston]

I do not think that Thing's face should be seen by innocent kids/people. It (he) is sick and we should not have to look at it !

[OrmIrian]

If someone can casually torture an animal - chuck a kitten out of a top floor window for example - do we not think they need to be deterred or punished. It's not the automatic next step to be torturing children but regardless of that, do we really want to accept that kind of attitude and behaviour?

[FABIsInTraining]

It is too much.

It almost feels like bullying.

Every day people don't need telling how to treat animals and children.

Some social workers need telling though.