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Can I have some opinions on this, please?

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 13:21

How would this make you feel? Am I right to feel real damage has been done or am I being unreasonable?

My relationship with dh has been difficult for some years. Our problems began when our youngest ds was diagnosed with a genetic condition - not life-threatening nor particularly serious, but enough to leave him with a slight disability, which he copes brilliantly with.

Anyway, when he was about two I became massively broody. At first my dh agreed to have another child, but then changed his mind.

I was broody to the point of crying at nappy adverts and unable to even look down the baby goods aisle at the supermarket. Dh was completely unable to cope with this and offered very little in terms of emotional support.

I begged and pleaded with my dh for another child, but he was unprepared to take the risk of having another child with the same condition as ds2. I asked him to sort out some genetic counselling (I wasn't that bothered, as I was fully prepared to go ahead with having another child regardless) which he promised to do, but again didn't.

All of the above isn't the real problem, though. I appreciate that he was entitled to his feelings and that you shouldn't bring a child into the world unless it's wanted by both parents.

The thing I can't get my head around is that while all this was going on, he continued to not use any contraception when we had sex. On one occasion I actually did become pregnant but had a very early miscarriage.

This led me to believe he was feeling ambivalent about the baby issue, and I think I went a bit crazy, buying pregnancy tests every bloody week and living in constantly dashed hope. He knew this was going on, yet still avoided using contraception or having a vasectomy.

This has been going on for about the last six or seven years, and now I don't feel remotely broody any more - particularly as our marriage is not now in the best state. But he still refuses to get a vasectomy. He says that he doesn't want to do anything as permanent as that until our marriage is on firmer ground - which I interpret as "I don't want any more children - with you".

So now I have had the contraceptive jab (which is, it has to be said, largely academic at the moment) which annoys me because I feel that yet again the responsibility is on me to act.

I'm so confused, as when I try to tell him how hurt I was by all the above, he tells me that having sex with no contraception was a choice we both made, rather than something he did to me, ifswim. But surely he must have known I was living in hope?

He won't even apologise or try to see it from my point of view. He just gets defensive and says "Well I suppose I could have handled it better."

Am so confused. Must add, I'm not perfect, and whatever problems we have are not all his fault. But I'm struggling to get past this.

Sorry it's long. Any contributions are gratefully received.

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 13:32

Shamelessly early bump. Dying for feedback.

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slinkydinky · 17/12/2009 13:35

What is it you want from him, exactly? An apology for not using contracetion? Or to change his mind about having a baby? Or to offer you more security? Im just a little confused, sorry

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 13:38

So am I!

Just to understand why I'm so upset and to acknowledge that he might have had a role in our problems. When we discuss it I always come away feeling like I'm the unreasonable one, and I guess I just want an objective opinion.

Oh, I'm in a mess.

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beanzmum · 17/12/2009 13:51

Sounds like a serious breakdown in communication between you & your DH. Does he really not get how you felt before about wanting another child?

But then, perhaps he was/is reacting strangely to the situation because he didn't know how he felt about having another child. Has he reconciled himself to the reality of your affected DS's condition?

Perhaps it's jumping to conclusions about his reluctance to have a vasectomy ... he could well be hoping for your marriage to stabilise and for you to have the opportunity for further DC/DCs together.

Sounds like you need to see someone (either together or separately) to help get all the unsaid stuff between you out in the open.

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slinkydinky · 17/12/2009 13:56

Id suggest counselling too, either together or seperately. There must be a reason for his mixed signals, and he doesnt seem able to communicate them with you.

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 13:56

He gets it all right. He's seen me sobbing in a heap on the floor.

His lack of commitment re:contraception led me to believe he was ambivalent, but he is 100% sure he doesn't want any more children. Yet he still won't have a vasectomy. His behaviour is confusing me so much, and I just feel really angry with him all the time, which is eating me up.

I've been seeing a counsellor for years, and she reckons he was being emotionally abusive, but that seems a bit strong to me.

We've discussed couples' therapy, and he is reluctant, though it may be on the cards in the New Year.

We communicate really badly. I attack and he defends. It's crap.

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mumblechum · 17/12/2009 14:03

He's what I would call a headfucker.

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 14:04

Well, my head is well and truly fucked, make no mistake. As you can probably tell from my garbled posting.

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HelenRosie · 17/12/2009 14:07

If your counsellor thinks he was being emotionally abusive I think she was probably right. You've been seeing her for years and she knows far more about your relationship than you've told us here.

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 14:10

He's such a quiet laid back bloke, though. After she said that I did some reading on emotional abuse, and I couldn't see him in any of the descriptions. He doesn't call me names, or make it hard for me to go out, or anything like that.

He just doesn't listen, and doesn't seem to take me seriously when I am upset about something. He seems to think that whenever I am upset, I'm just having a go at him for the sake of it.

I'm just really tired.

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slinkydinky · 17/12/2009 14:12

How did he react to your pregnancy & sunsequent miscarraige?

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LouLouH · 17/12/2009 14:14

Men have never and will never have the same 'broody' effect us women have. Its just not in their genetical make up. He cannot possibly empathise with you on the baby part as his brain is not capable of it (i don't mean that in a nasty way).
As for the not using contraception thing, in my view i think it would be his way of then being able to put the blame on you if the next baby you may have conceived had the same condition. It his way of bailing out, a typical man trait.
I am a firm believer of everything happening for a reason and if you mc (very sorry) and then did not fall over a period of 6/7 years, then maybe it was not meant to be at that moment in time.
Him not wanting a vasectomy i can understand. If it was the other way round would the loss of vital things that make you a woman not make you feel less feiminine? And being a man he's not going to say thats his reason outright because us women would turn around and say thats pig headed!
As the age old saying goes men are from mars and women are from venus and we will never be able to fully understand them.
I don't think he wanted to hurt you, he sounds like he was scared and again being a man will not admit it. He sounds like a stubborn man that will not back down as apologising or anything 'soft' along those lines loses the macho thing.
From what you wrote you know deep down that things are going to work out as you havent given up hope and your defending him, men always leave responsibility to fall on womens shoulders, as admit it, we are better at it than them. We are victims of our own doing.
Leave the past where it is, you've vented and said what you feel needed to be said, and im sure he does know how you feel but can't express properly what he wants to. Concentrate on the future and making that a better place for the three of you.

Long sorry!

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 14:17

Erm - he went a bit quiet. Then the miscarriage happened when he was driving me and our kids to London to drop us off so we could go to Disneyland Paris with my family.

I sobbed all the way to London. I think he squeezed my hand and asked if I was alright.

He dropped us off and went home. I don't really remember discussing it with him again, but I suppose I must have.

I must stress that this was a very early miscarriage and I probably wouldn't have even known I'd been pregnant had I not been doing tests every five minutes.

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FabIsGettingReadyForChristmas · 17/12/2009 14:17

I see it like this.

You wanted another child. He didn't but he gave you hope by not using contraception.

You are now in a position where your marriage isn't great but I assume you would be delighted to become pregnant?

If you are to stay married to this man you either tell him you are not going to use any contraception as you want another child and if he doesn't he can wear a condom/get snipped. Or you stop sleeping with him completely. Or you leave him and be free to meet someone who will be a full partner and support you and want the same as you.

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LouLouH · 17/12/2009 14:22

Why does the response need to be so harsh. I don't mean to be harsh to Bobbiewickham but what about his feelings? Are his reactions not something that could be from the emotional toll your first child had on him. Maybe he feels like a failure as you didn't have a perfect child (btw i think every child is perfect regarless). He probably feels he has let you down in some way and finds it bloody hard to deal with.

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 14:22

God, no, I wouldn't bring another baby into this relationship, not now.

Anyway, I've lived as an unwanted child and it's awful.

I just can't accept that he loves me if he could see me so upset, and continue to give me false hope.

I can't find my feelings for him atm. Other than anger and resentment.

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 14:24

Absolutely, LouLouH. Which is why I suggested counselling, but he's not keen.

It was like he wouldn't do anything but sit on the fence, and leave me to deal with all the emotional fallout.

I've tried to understand his feelings and empathise with him. I just want some of the same back.

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WhoIsAskingSantaForCake · 17/12/2009 14:25

Sorry LouLou but I disagree with you.

I find it interesting that you have disregarded what your consellor has said re: EA. It's not just someone being verbally abusive, it can also be the complete disregard for your feelings. Which is what this looks like to me.

It's also pretty passive aggressive really isn't it? "I know you want a baby, I don't want one, but I'm not going to use contraception, and this will hurt you emotionally" You say he is aware of this?

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WhoIsAskingSantaForCake · 17/12/2009 14:26

x posted. I meant I don't agree with LouLou's first post.

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 14:27

Aware that I wanted a baby? Or aware that his actions hurt me?

Yes to both. Very aware. I can be quite vocal

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WhoIsAskingSantaForCake · 17/12/2009 14:28

And nothing changed did it? So isn't that telling?

He knew he was hurting you and just carried on. Isn't that abusive?

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Bobbiewickham · 17/12/2009 14:30

I suppose so.

I don't like the thought of that though. It's almost like abuse by omission, isn't it?

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WhoIsAskingSantaForCake · 17/12/2009 14:35

Well, IMHO it's abuse by being abusive!

Let's switch it round shall we. Say you'd been the one who hadn't wanted another baby. Your DH was desperate for one, and you knew this. Would you have not used contraceptives? Knowing that every month he would be waiting to find out if you were having his baby? Would you have stood by and watched while he "sobbed in a heap on the floor"?

Or would you have been kind, and gently told him that you were going on the pill/coil/whatever?

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FabIsGettingReadyForXmas · 17/12/2009 14:35

What are you going to do?

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nappyaddict · 17/12/2009 14:36

I think he is refusing to use contraception so if you do fall pregnant on the injection he can somehow blame you.

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