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One-off aggressive/abusive outburst from another parent - wanted to discuss, not sure if this is the right place?

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notquitesureagain · 26/01/2015 11:03

Not sure if this is the right section, sincere apologies if not. But here's the thing, and it's going back a a couple of years now but it's really stayed with me and i wanted to try and make some sense of it.

I used to take my youngest to a toddler group, I never really liked those groups, hard to say why, but anyway this one was lovely - looked forward to taking her, she really loved it etc, they sang songs, did activities and whatnot.

One day I accidentally bumped into another child, a really gentle bump against my leg (it was a small room, lots of toddlers running around etc) and she was absolutely fine, just picked herself up etc but her dad reacted really oddly. Started talking really loudly to other people in the group about me and when I realised what was happening and tried to apologise he practically shook with rage, wouldn't look at me etc. He eventually told me through gritted teeth to go away/was obvious he didn't want to speak to me etc I tried to apologise again at the end of the class and he was just really poisonous, told me I should stop coming to the class etc and made a couple of personal comments. He was so angry, he practically spat at me. It only happened once but it really shook me, I forced myself to go to the sessions I'd paid for but didn't carry on after that because I found him so intimidating. He never spoke to me again, just smiled at me a couple of times, which I found really creepy. Just couldn't face seeing him there every week. I've always felt a bit sad that I stopped going to something that brought me and my youngest quite a lot of pleasure, and I still think about it quite a lot, and wonder about what he was like at home/in the rest of his life.

Just wondered if anyone else had experienced anything similar and what they'd made of it?

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Rebecca2014 · 26/01/2015 11:05

I would have kept going but I would have stuck up for myself.

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3littlefrogs · 26/01/2015 11:07

He sounds really horrible and you sound lovely.
It is sad that you felt forced out of something you enjoyed, but your DC won't remember a thing about it and you have moved on.
There are some nasty people in the world.
I don't think there is anything you can do.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/01/2015 11:11

I experienced something similar in a toy store. One toddler playing with the train-set. My toddler DS barges in and grabs the train. Cue lots of howling from first toddler, me telling DS to give the little girl the train back & play nicely before forcibly wrestling it off him the way you do.... Hmm

First toddler's father (I'm assuming father) sweeps in like an avenging angel, all purple in the face, shouting and going on like it was some appalling crime rather than two tinies falling out over a toy.

I think I told him he was being a complete jerk. Sounds like your man was as well.

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sakura · 26/01/2015 11:13

I've experienced similar, but not in a mother and toddler group. I was working in a pizza shop and a man believed I'd given him the wrong order (I hadn't, he hadn't checked properly) and he did the same as this man in your toddler group did. He just shook with rage and looked like he wanted to hit me.

It's definitely not personal. Some men behave like this with their wives, others with women on the streets, others with prostitutes. They love throwing their weight around and upsetting women because they are so insignificant themselves.

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notquitesureagain · 26/01/2015 11:13

Rebecca Not really sure what 'sticking up for myself' would have looked like? Obviously I told him that I'd only accidentally bumped into his daughter and said 'I don't know what more I can do beyond apologising'. And I carried on going for a while i.e. didn't take him up on his suggestion of never coming back. But I just hated sitting in a small room with him after that.

3littlefrogs thank you :-) and yes, wasn't thinking of doing anything. Just reflecting on it really and what an impact a one-off incident can have - if he were a parent at my kids' school for example I'd have to have gone on interacting with him, which would have been grim. It was just so odd that he'd formed all these opinions on me having never spoken to me before, I'd barely noticed him in the group until that point

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Only1scoop · 26/01/2015 11:16

What an awful man. If I'd have seen or overheard that is have told himself down. He obviously has some issues there.

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Only1scoop · 26/01/2015 11:17

Sorry Confused

'If I'd have seen or overheard I'd have suggested he calmed himself down'

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notquitesureagain · 26/01/2015 11:19

Thanks for your comments, folks - helpful (in a way Hmm) to know that this stuff just does happen now and again, it did just feel very personal but as some of you have said, I guess it's just someone taking out their own rage about other stuff on a stranger. I think the context made it particularly alarming, came out of nowhere and was just such a contrast to the gentleness of the preschool group

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sakura · 26/01/2015 11:20

Very telling that you said you "barely noticed him in the group". Urgh, I can just imagine the type of guy he is. He made sure you noticed him.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 26/01/2015 11:21

Was there no-one in charge of the group? Did others not see that this man was making himself really unpleasant?

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notquitesureagain · 26/01/2015 11:22

only1scoop yes, that was the weird thing. Nobody else in the room seemed to notice or said anything (I guess they were probably just wrapped up in their own conversations) except the teacher who was totally appalled and came up and apologised afterwards but didn't say anything at the time. I suppose I was oddly kind of embarrassed or ashamed about the whole thing, he just made me feel I didn't 'belong' there.

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notquitesureagain · 26/01/2015 11:25

Sakura yes, I'd really never clocked him at all. But he made these comments about 'how I was' during the group.

cogito x-post, yup, teacher noticed but everyone was milling around at the end and I guess didn't notice, also thinking about it, he was really quiet about it, almost whispering but in a really angry, gritted teeth way.

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ImperialBlether · 26/01/2015 11:26

He's just a violent man and you were his target that day. Pity his poor partner, when she crosses him. Pity the school teacher who has to tell him his children are behind others in the class. Pity the barmaid who tells him he's had enough and she won't serve him any more.

I bet you'd find that it's only women he gets so aggressive with.

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Waitingonasunnyday · 26/01/2015 11:26

It is wierd dealing with such people. I had a similar ish sort of encounter with an angry dad once at school gates. I just blanked or glared/ looked down my nose witheringly at him if our paths happened to cross after that. DC at different schools now thankfully!

With people like that you can only tackle the situation at the time - you did the right thing and were a good role model for the children - then leave them to their nasty miserable self.

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DropYourSword · 26/01/2015 11:28

He behaved appallingly. However I can't believe someone would comment Very telling that you said you "barely noticed him in the group". Urgh, I can just imagine the type of guy he is. Wanna hoick up those judgey pants a little more.

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sakura · 26/01/2015 11:28

You have to ignore men who behave in an unhinged way like this, which would explain why people around you carried on chatting to the person next to them, hoping he'd calm down. I'm sorry he targeted you. It could have been any of the women there. The only toddler groups I've been to were all-women ones, so obviously we never had angry outbursts of rage like this.

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sakura · 26/01/2015 11:30

Err, yes DropyourSword. I do indeed judge men who behave like this Hmm

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DropYourSword · 26/01/2015 11:32

The implication in your post was that you judged someone because he was barely noticeable in a group, not for the behaviour he subsequently displayed.

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VenusRising · 26/01/2015 11:33

Notsure, you said he didn't know you and made assumptions, well then look at it this way, he couldn't have been making personal comments, as he didn't know you and was making assumptions, based on his own nastyinternal thoughts.

Some men are total tools and unfortunately you bumped into an angry little tool.

His anger is problem not yours. He's probably divorced now Grin

Let it go, let it go!
If this bothers you anymore I think you need to get out a bit of paper and draw yourself and your DCs as circles,
and draw a circle on the edge of the paper for "shouty man", then cut around his circle and put it in the bin/ burn it - whatever feels best.
He's gone with his own issues, he's got nothing to do with you, (or any other stranger he vents his anger on.)

And breathe!

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WorkingBling · 26/01/2015 11:34

Honestly, it sounds like he was a complete ass but I don't understand why you are still agonising over it so much later? There are some dickish people in the world and sometimes they target completely random innocent strangers but if you let it get you down for too long you're the one who suffers.

And Sakura, a woman can be just as unpleasant. On behalf of Dh and all the other SAHDs or dads who look after their children on a regular basis, I think it's a bit said that you assume outbursts of rage like this can only happen with men. I've seen women behave equally aggressively and irrationally for whatever reason.

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notquitesureagain · 26/01/2015 11:35

DropYourSword actually, I think Sakura's got a point - I haven't always been very good at small talk with other parents (just shyness/social awkwardness really, I've got better at it since then Smile) and, from what he said, I think maybe he interpreted that non-engagement as me considering myself as a bit 'above it all' and wanted to bring me down a peg or two. It was all quite pointed.

Anyway, thanks for your posts, MN - I do appreciate it. Helps to 'talk' these things through sometimes.

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DropYourSword · 26/01/2015 11:36

The only toddler groups I've been to were all-women ones, so obviously we never had angry outbursts of rage like this.

Because obviously women never have angry outbursts?

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sakura · 26/01/2015 11:38

No DropyourSword.

The OP barely noticed him because she was getting on with her business, living her life. He wasn't particularly charismatic, striking, friendly or kind. Clearly, this is not the type of man that women notice. I bet that's exactly why he caused a scene. That's how he gets his kicks, how he gets women like the OP all upset and paying attention to him. He made himself the focus of her attentions. He could just try being a nice person and see how that works, but he chooses to behave like a knob instead.

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notquitesureagain · 26/01/2015 11:41

dropyoursword ah, no, I see what you mean. I think (with the benefit of hindsight) the problem was that I hadn't noticed him or that I'd failed to engage in what he thought was an appropriate way and was therefore judging me/punishing me for it. But at the time I didn't know any of that and a man I'd barely noticed launched into a weird outburst about me, which felt pretty strange at the time.

And yes, agree that women have the potential to be equally aggressive. though I guess statistically it's more unusual.

WorkingBling yes, it's def time to stop thinking about it, I don't know why it stayed with me so long. I guess because I'm annoyed with myself for letting it stop me doing something I/we enjoyed. Anyway, have learnt...

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Only1scoop · 26/01/2015 11:43

Sakura you post as if you were there Grin

Op....we occasionally come across these disturbing individuals male ....female makes no difference. On reflection of this angry spat by him....I'm sure you were alarmed. I would have been.

I'd pity Mr Angry and not think about it much again.

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