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What to do about PIL situation? Abusive FIL towards MIL

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MrsMoon76 · 22/02/2014 23:17

This is a truly awful situation. Some background - DH and I are together 4 years. I wouldn't have a close relationship with his parents as they are quite difficult and there has always been some kind of drama in the family with fights. fallings out etc. Over the years I have realised that DH has come from a very abusive and difficult family. This has a negative impact on our marriage but we work at it and DH is very self aware and knows he has picked up "wrong" behaviour and has slowly been changing. Not easy but he is doing well and I am very proud of him.

He is very protective of his mother because she has suffered physical, emotional and financial abuse over the last 45 years. Things have become worse recently though between her and FIL due to a falling out between her and dh's sister and dh is frightened and doesn't know what to do. He has other siblings who don't talk to mil so he really struggling.

Thing is - we have tried to persuade her to leave, have offered to have her with us (short term because neither of us could live with her long term as she is very controlling), have tried to get her to go to gp, counselling and womens aid. The situation at home is horrendous and dh is afraid to confront fil incase it makes things worse.

I don't know what else to suggest. I know she is impossible to talk to but she keeps phoning and texting dh and I about what is happening there but we can't get her to leave. Her own sisters have tried as well. FIL comes across far more together and pleasant than her but I have heard him scream and shout at dh when he tried to intervene so I know he is an abuser. He has been violent in the past - both mil and dh have told me this and still makes threats.

What the hell do we do? I have suggested calling the police but dh freaked out. I can see why. She doesn't seem ready to walk away and I could see that making things worse unless she herself calls them. She did one counselling session and didn't go back. I think she lives in fear and is so used to it she is too scared (and feels too old) to take that step.

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AmazingJumper · 22/02/2014 23:52

I'm not sure there is anything you can do, other than what you have. Sorry if that isn't very helpful.

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CailinDana · 22/02/2014 23:59

Jumper is right. Hard as it is, there is nothing more you can do.

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MrsMoon76 · 23/02/2014 00:02

Thanks for the replies. I pretty much knew it myself but I guess I just needed to know I am not missing anything. Thanks.

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EllaFitzgerald · 23/02/2014 00:02

She's been with him for 45 years, you've offered her a place to go and given her support and the details of organisations that can help her. I don't think that there is anything else that you can do until she's ready to leave him. It doesn't sound like she is and it may be the case that she never does.

When she calls, all you can do is reiterate your offers of help. Ask her if she needs you to go and collect her or if she wants you to call the police for her. Personally, I think I'd call the police the next time she phones for support. They won't disclose who called them and I think it's good for abusers to know that what they're doing isn't being ignored.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/02/2014 06:15

Your ILs relationship is clearly dysfunctional but OTOH they have survived 45 years together. If offers of help are being refused and intervention isn't possible you've exhausted your options. Your DH is the one that needs the support IMHO. That might be as simple as reassuring him that he can say to his parents... 'sort it out between you'.

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MrsMoon76 · 23/02/2014 16:02

Thanks Cogito. That's kind of where I am. He is my priority and he needs the help most. Their actions and behaviour from when he was a child have had a huge impact and as far as I am concerned it was child abuse for him to grow up in that situation.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 23/02/2014 16:42

Yet another couple that presumably stayed together 'for the sake of the children'... Miserable pair.

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pumpkinsweetie · 23/02/2014 16:50

There isn't much you can do, my dh comes from a similar family except mil is an enabler and not so nice herself unfortunately.
It's very hard but the negative effect they all have on dh isn't worth it and not only have I backed away and become nc so has dh.

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Jux · 23/02/2014 17:04

I suppose you could call police during an incident, remain anonymous and just say there's a lot of noise and it sounds like someone is being hurt - ie, pretend you're a neighbour.

So she is controlling, and he is abusive in a different way?

It all sounds bloody awful anyway.

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MrsMoon76 · 23/02/2014 17:09

Pumkin - Thing is, mil is no sweetheart herself - my family and friends are still talking about the stuff she said about me on our wedding day. But at the same time I do pity her. I have always kept my distance as well as I have no interest in the crap. I wish dh could go nc but he never would.

Yeah cogito....."for the sake of the children" most of whom can't bear to be around them and who are struggling as adults because of what they saw.

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Meerka · 23/02/2014 18:20

I think it's terribly hard if you're married to an abusive person. 45 years ago it was simply much much harder to leave. The abusive person could work on you so you ended up completely under their thumb. I sometimes think the controlling behaviour of the subordinate partner is due to needing some sort of control over their life, cause they can't control the most important bit, ie physical emotional safety.

But once it's gone on too long the abused person is too deeply ingrained in the pattern that's been established. Unfortunately, there is nothign anyone else can do to force them to leave. Only they can. No one else can do it for them.

I'm so sorry, you're clearly there for her if she ever gets to that point. But until that point, there is nothing more you can do except look out for your husband.

If the calls / texts become a massive strain on you, then terribly sadly you may have to choose not to answer all of them. Only what you can manage. Very very hard choice, since it leaves her more isolated, but as you cearly realise, you and your husband have to prioritize each other or else get dragged down deep yourselves.

I hope you two, and she, gets a break sometime before long. Flowers

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breatheslowly · 23/02/2014 18:27

I think that one option of responding to the texts and calls is to just become a broken record and repeat "I will call the police if you would like or the number for women's aid is XXX".

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badbaldingballerina123 · 23/02/2014 20:43

Just a word of warning here Op .

Some toxic dysfunctional people claim there is abuse when there isn't. They are also often adapt at provoking others to the point that they snap. They are experts at triangulating and pitting people against each other .

My mil claims fil is a cruel abusive alcoholic. My Dh has grown up believing this to be true and has recently discovered it isn't. She's a two faced snide who is forever the victim .

I think it a mistake for you to offer to have her at yours . Abused or not she sounds awful . In your shoes I would want very little to do with her.

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hellooctober01 · 24/02/2014 21:41

My PIL are similar, FIL is verbally abusive to her and we suspect physically too when nobody is watching, ignores her when she speaks about anything that isn't him and has her practically chained to the kitchen except when she's picking up his mess after him. God forbid if dinner isn't on the table when he gets in, even if he comes home early she's expected to be psychic and make everyone else eat at 4pm.

He's a toxic narcissist, has all their friends believing he's amazing cos they have a big house and nice car and he's charming in public and she plays the good wife. There's nothing you can do, just support your DH. DP and I learned we couldn't help MIL if she wouldn't walk out so we decided to help ourselves and his DSis by moving away and being a support for her and a haven she can come to when she can't cope at home. Just enjoy your own life, you cannot change theirs I'm afraid.

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springykyrie · 25/02/2014 00:41

If she's controlling then who is the villain? It's not always cut and dried. My parents are like this (though no physical abuse) and it's almost impossible to work out what is really going on. I keep any visits short and carry on spending a small fortune in therapy

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MrsMoon76 · 13/03/2014 21:50

Update here - mil has been in contact with WA finally and met someone from there. She is now officially homeless and arrived to us at the weekend with a carload of her clothes and paperwork. WA have booked her an appointment with a solicitor next week and I am going with her. She should be offered somewhere to live within 30 days. WA were the ones that made her see that she has the right to leave and that its ok to do that. It hadn't sunk in before that. DH still isn't sure that she will stay away. He thinks she may go back and that this about getting a reaction from fil. We will just have to wait and see for now I guess.

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Hissy · 13/03/2014 22:11

She may very well go back, but be supportive of her and remind her that some women take multiple times until they see that they are worth more.

It's never too late to be happy.

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Meerka · 13/03/2014 22:27

wow, even to take this first step must be a huge, huge thing for her. even if it's to make the point to fil, it must have really taken courage

she does sound very difficult and if she stays the same, I hope you can manage to put up with her. Maybe make it clear that staying with you is only a short term solution. Talk as if it's absolutely a done deal that she will be going into the place teh WA offers.

Is there any chance that your FIL will kick off at you two? will you need to protect yourselves?

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Qix · 13/03/2014 22:29

Good luck to her!

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Jux · 13/03/2014 22:34

Wow! She's being vey brave. How are you all managing with her there?

I have read that it can take 7 attempts to actually leave, so don't be surprised if she does, and try to stay supportive of her. If she goes back, the major problem is that fil may step up his abuse of her a notch or three, so she will need support even more. This is potentially a hard hard road which could take a long while. You never know though, she may become almost a different person once she is free of him.

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MrsMoon76 · 13/03/2014 22:56

Thanks for the replies - I do worry that she will go back because she has before. I am worried for her because things escalated quite a bit at the weekend which is why she ended up here. I am also very very worried for my husband who is not coping well at all. MIL keeps telling him stuff that's been happening. I am trying to get her to talk to me more than him. He grew up with this and it has had a very negative effect on him. I have suggested that when things settle down that he has counselling. My poor dh. I am being the calm, practical, supportive one for everyone right now.

We need to keep reassuring her that she is doing the right thing. She is very religious and is very much against divorce. The lady from WA was great and gave her the extra kick to go.

She will have a house/flat within 30 days. She has been assured of this. I feel guilty saying this but I can't have her here too long. DH will crack up. His relationship with his df and db (who caused the latest row) is fucked.

There appears to be a certain amount of money and property - I think if they do divorce this will cause massive issues. They have a very unhealthy attitude to sharing with each other. Will the solicitor be able to advise on this?

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Jux · 14/03/2014 09:19

Yes, the solicitor will be able to advise, but can only do as instructed by his client.

This is a lot for you to have to be the strong supportive one, but you don't have much choice. Perhaps if you can get your dh into counselling asap that will be most helpful for you immediately. Not suggesting that you just let him get on with it, not at all, but his childhood and this fallout is not something that you are either qualified or experienced for (unless you are a counsellor of course). If he gets the proper help now, then you can concentrate on being a supportive and loving wife without the stress and responsibility of trying to 'fix' him.

Can you speak to WA yourself? I think it would do you some good to talk to them and see if they can help you too - no, you're not being abused, but you are right there in the fallout. The last thing anyone wants is for you to crumble.

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MrsMoon76 · 29/07/2014 21:50

Further update and I could really do with some advise. MIL has her own place but see saws between staying where she is and going home. The problem is the impact on DH. She has counselling and help from WA and has been told she shouldn't be talking to dh about everything but its all that she talks about - on one hand claims she wants dh and his father to get on but on the other hand rants and raves about him and everything he has done over and over at dh.

DH is now seeing how abusive she is herself and how she twists things and is always the victim. He just can't bear what he has to listen to and has spoken of being suicidal. I am worried for him but he refuses counselling - and I don't think it would suit him tbh - and is very depressed. He needs to go NC as his siblings have but he won't. He feels that he can't just leave her to it. She actually is vulnerable I think but does lack emotional maturity or empathy.

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Hissy · 29/07/2014 21:59

Your H needs to get himself someone to talk this through with, he can't muddle along, hoping it will go away. It won't.

Yes he does need to disengage from her, seriously, for his own sanity.

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AbbieHoffmansAfro · 29/07/2014 22:04

Try and persuade him to cut contact for a short while to get himself some help. He needs a respite. It needn't be forever, but he is being too badly affected to carry on as he is. Plus his mother will then have to stop dumping on him and find another way to cope.

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