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Help!... How do we find common ground again after arrival of dd 8 months

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 10:14

I just wrote all this out and it didn't post, so pls bare with me.
Been very happily married to dh nearly 4 years. We've always had a as close to perfect relationship as pos. Always talking things thro when things rarely arose, spending lots of time together, as well as having our own personal moments. Our dd was a surprise, arriving a year before we were hoping to start trying. (yet now hubby us saying he never really thought he would have kids. :$ )
Hubby found it very difficult In the early days. A massive interruption! Not bring easy to stick to timings etc or leave the house when he wants to. I had c section as well so hecwas needed alot. Anyway things are much easier now with dd, but we've been arguing alot recently. Him always asking if I'm ok and what's going on. I am sooo happy. I love spending time with my dd, have discovered proper home cooking, and I'm a hairdresser and have continued to do home hair since she was 6 weeks, so have been lucky enough to make my own money.
Anyway, we has a conversation last nite about our holiday end of July to Devon. And he said it's going to be really different, not being able to go to the pub for a few drinks in the evening. I find comments like that hurtful, as I think of it more as all the lovely things we can show her etc. He asked what was wrong and it blew up in a massive barney (in front of our dd which I hate!)
Afterwards I realised we just don't have the same interests anymore. My dd is mine, and hubby, although he loves and adores her, had enough after half hour, and doesn't even have bath time with her like he used to. This doesn't bother me as I love doing it. Just he is missing out. And by the time she's I bed and the bottles are sorted, I'm lucky if ive got an hour to sit and watch (some junk he's got on the) tele. I've never dropped him from doing anything. His life has continued as it was, jetskiing, mountaining biking etc. And we do on occasion, Go out and dd sleeps in her pram until she wakes and gets fretful, then i feel guilty and dont want to do it again for a while.
I have also found some of his imperfections intolerable since our dd arrival. Like shouting 'fing c*#t' and every thing that gets on his nerves, be it the laptop, the door or kitchen utensils. Suddenly all this stuff gets to me cos i don't want our dd to be exposed to such language.
I guess what I'm asking is how do we find stuff in common again?! Obviously in his eyes it's my fault cos I'm the one that's 'changed' as hes the same. How do I make myself find his stories of idiotic colleagues and how he's going to go about painting his bike interesting?!
I'm hoping when I go back to work for a few days end of June, things will calm down. Nut hubby has got a week off over the jubilee, and I don't know how were gonna tolerate each other. I feel like he hates me, and I can't really see what I'm doing wrong, other than trying to give our dd the best. Pls help!! Xxxx

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 10:18

So sorry for all the typos. On my phone! Hope it makes sense xxx

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HecateTrivia · 22/05/2012 10:19

Do the two of you spend any time together as a couple, to reconnect? Is there any way to do that?

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 10:28

We haven't really to be honest. Yes we can. Will get parents to babysit. I think it is me because I'm the only one that puts her to bed, i worry about her when I'm not there, and don't have a good time, so sort of dont see the point! But yes, ur rightXx

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HecateTrivia · 22/05/2012 10:31

You don't stop being a couple once you have a child.

I'm not saying it's ok for him to be like this. He's being an arse Grin but remember that the reason you have a child is that you fell in love with a man and wanted a family with him.

That man is still there. Somewhere. Inside Arseface. Hopefully. If he's willing to grow up and stop being jealous of a baby, and you're willing to see that you can be a mum and be in a relationship and they are both equally important, and you still love each other - you can get through this.

did I mention he's being an arse? Wink

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Hassled · 22/05/2012 10:37

It does sound like he's struggling with fatherhood - it's still very early days, though, and you'll probably find that as your DD gets a bit more "interesting" - as in talking a bit, understanding more of what's said etc - he'll find that bond that's lacking at the moment.

You might need to fake interest in the bike and the colleagues, and he definitely needs to stop losing it and swearing. You need to meet in the middle a bit - and yes, some quality time alone together will help that.

And would more responsibility actually help him a bit? You seem to do everything - so of course he can get away with the half an hour at a time thing. If he was thrown in the deep end - or at least somehow forced to spend an extended period alone with her - he might realise that he's perfectly capable of caring for her, and become more confident with her. That might help all round.

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 10:39

Haha!!! I understand this, and I really want to fix this, just dont know how?! He's not really an arse, as I've wanted him to do His normal stuff, but were losing each other along the way. The less he does, the more I do, and the more I connect to her xxx

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SugarBatty · 22/05/2012 10:40

Agree he is being an arse!

My ds is 5 months and me and dp's time as a couple has disappeared. I'm not bothered but dp is. Iv realised I need to make time for us before things get worse. I know how you feel at the end of a long day. If I was going to get a baby sitter for a few hours I would personally like to just sleep!

Maybe you should once a fortnight get a baby sitter and go and do different things together, cinema, meal, pub lunch etc. See if things improve. If they don't maybe you need to look at things again. If you compromise and make an effort and he is still the same he is a MASSIVE arse and he needs to be told that and needs to make some changes.

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 10:50

He does take her out if I'm doing hair on a Saturday. Normally to his parents tho so he has back up! Grin

Yeah I do do everything. I always have to rewash the bottles cos he just dunks them, and I don't Like to nag him so I just get on with it. He says he feels Like I watch his every move with her and thinking he's doing it wrong!! I've told him 100 times that that's all in his head, I love watching them together. And they do have a bond, she kicks and gets so excited when he gets home xxx

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SugarBatty · 22/05/2012 10:56

I can relate to that too. My dp thinks I'm watching and criticising him over things like that, if I'm honest I was in the early days! Now I'm more relaxed and leave him to it and do a lot of tongue biting!

Do you do things socially without your dp or dd?

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 10:57

Sugarbatty. Were exactly the same. I'm so happy and was wondering what he was going on about! I'm content as I am and fe he's blowing things up! But I do understand I am a part to play. But I just want to be a good mum. How can I fall out of love with my daughter I bit! He says he feels he's an inconvenience, even tho I feel I'm doing my best for him, cooking him proper meals, trying to keep the house tidy (doesn't bother me, he's a clean freak!) but it's obviously by attention he wants. Xxx

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swallowedAfly · 22/05/2012 10:59

he sounds like a selfish big kid who resents his child tbh. you're not doing anything wrong - you're being a mum and not revolving the whole universe around him (though it sounds like you've taken on all the responsibility and there has been minimal impact on his life he still is resentful at not being the be all and end all in your life).

my advice i'm afraid would be of the 'leave the bastard' variety Grin i know that's not what you're after. but seriously he needs to step up. you will resent him more and more for acting like a spoilt teenager and refusing to be a parent and if he continues as he is you'll end up knowing you and your child would be better off without him. because realistically you love your child and you're not going to want them around someone who screams cunt at inanimate objects and treats them as if they are totally unimportant to them. a good mum just won't be able to live with that.

but only he can change. i hope for your sake, and your child's, that he does.

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 11:01

I've tried to have evenings out with friends, and everytime she plays up. Maybe picks up on him feeling anxious. First time I did go out, and then had to come home cos she was crying like I've never heard before. She does settle much better with hubby now. So next time they're out, I'm there. As if she wakes in the evening hubby occassionally goes to her and she will settle now xxx

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 11:09

Thanks swallowedafly. Nice to hear that I'm not being unreasonable! I most definately do not want our relationship to end, and at the moment is not an option. But u are right about how I'm feeling with his anger. He's always been like it, and had previously Been ignored. But he came in the other day and I passed her to him, went to close the door behind him and he stepped back so I banged the door on his head. He shouted and slammed the door and dd cried! Sad. He didn't understand why she was crying and was more bothered by the fact he couldn't fix the door lock he had broken!! Xx

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 11:22

Ok peeps I'm tackling this head on. I sent him msg saying well go out for dinner sat eve. The next msg I sent is here....

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 11:22

We'll do eastern aroma yeah. Old days stuff. But to allow me to enjoy myself I need ur help this week. We have to meet in the middle on this one baby to put it right. I need to step down a little as a mother and in order to do that, u have to step up as a father. Can u put indie to bed the nights ur not gyming pls?! So I can get bottles done and well have more time together in the evening. It will give both of us more confidence, and build more between u and indie. We also need to address ur anger. Done nothing but thinking this morn, and I think that's what makes me resent u, as I don't want indie exposed to it. I'm not trying to be nasty and make u feel bad, but it's always been a problem. It's just not only me dealing with it anymore. I love u baby xxxx

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SugarBatty · 22/05/2012 11:42

You sound very lovely op. I hope your hubby appreciates you.
Its good you socialise with friends and have your own life too. I need to get out there a bit more and dp is always telling me so.

Maybe you should have a big talk before you go out on saturday so that whilst your out you don't have to do it then? Would you leave your dd overnight yet? When my ds is sleeping better I'm thinking of going away for a night with dp as a treat just for us two.

You seem like you really want to work things out I hope your hubby does as much as you do. This could be a starting point for it to improve. But make sure he is making an effort to change too.

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 12:20

I should think we will have a good talk tonite. Tried last nite but we ended up doing full circle as were both so upset and angry. First time we went to bed on an argument. He does appreciate me, think he is feeling In the way. Which makes me sad as I try to do my best for him. Just as soon as the swearing and slagging off kicks in I shut down. He had agreed to anger management. Sure that will tackle a massive part of our problem.
Sugar I couldn't leave her overnight yet. We've been having alot of trouble with a poorly tummy so lots of night wakings wanting mummy.

Alot of my social stuff is by day with dd and friends with lo's. And If ur anything like me u love being with ur ds more than being out without them!! Xxx

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OxfordBags · 22/05/2012 12:30

I think you've bit the nail on the head when you say how the more you do for her, the less he does and that he is still exactly the same as before she came along. He SHOULD change, should have changed. Being a parent doesn't mean suddenly having zero life outside of focussing on the child/ren BUT your life has to change, there are things you have to alter, things you have to do less of or do differently and things that you have to give up, either temporarily or permanently. If your partner is carrying on exactly as before, it's like it's preventing the reality of being a father and your DD's existence from being 100% real for him, IYSWIM. It's not letting that new reality become part of who he is and what he does. And if he doesn't do much at all, it might not seem 'worth it' to him. He can't get to properly know his DD and grow to love and be amazed by everything about her when he's gallivanting about jetskiing and whatever and not having to do so much as wash a baby bottle properly.

I reckon you two could do with some counselling. I don't see it as a last chance thing at all, I think it's helpful to have some so you don't ever get to that stage. He needs to readjust his lifestyle and priorities and get less selfish and you need to stop making everything so easy and unchanged for him that he has no impetus to mature into this new life.

You sound lovely, BTW. But your DH needs a rocket up his bloody arse, sorry. I hate the 'men are crap with kids until they get older and more interesting' bullshit. What would happen if mothers were allowed to be useless with that excuse? Should be no different for men.

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 13:07

Thank u Oxford. U are so right. I love my time with her and don't mind that he doesn't do much with her. But feeling guilty for changing and not knowing how to reverse it. But Like u said. He hadn't changed with us!! We just spoke briefly and he said it's a big deal doing anger management and am I not gonna thank him! Talk about rub me up the wrong way instantly! Xxxx

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SugarBatty · 22/05/2012 13:10

What does he mean your not going to thank him? Is he happy in other areas of his life? Anger management can be linked to depression. Has he arranged the anger management through the doctors? X

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KickingUpQuestions · 22/05/2012 13:19

I don't know if anyone else said this - but within reading your first paragraph you say something like...he always asks what's wrong or if you're ok. And you don't know why because you're happy with DD.

Have you considered that he is slightly jealous of the relationship you have with DD? That perhaps he feels left out and doesn't know how to bring himself back in?

If he didn't care, he wouldn't ask. I think he genuinely feels like the spare wheel...

Men are sweet and wonderful and very strange.

Agree with you need to reconnect with him and you need to focus on him for a bit. When he realises that DD isn't what is pulling you away - that it's him - perhaps he will be more forthcoming to both of you?

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Fizzylemonade · 22/05/2012 13:24

I think you sound lovely and I get a feeling that you "rescue" a bit, which means, if your DH should be dealing with the baby and she is crying you will step in and take over.

You need to let him be a Dad and I don't mean that he gets to take your daughter to his parents on a Saturday.

Just go out in the evening, even if it is just for a walk, if you aren't there you can't rescue. The most telling line for me was First time I did go out, and then had to come home cos she was crying like I've never heard before.

The question would be how did you hear her? Because he rang you. When she was crying in the early days did you ring him and ask him to come home because your daughter was crying? I bet your didn't Wink

He needs to be given the opportunity to be the Dad to figure out what the crying means she wants. If you are constantly there or coming home to help him he will feel like only you can settle her.

Once he gets more confident, it will be better all round, you will be happier not to be doing everything, and then you two can spend some time together whilst your daughter is left with someone else.

Also instead of watching tat on the tv go to bed, you will feel better for that extra hour. Even now, and my boys are 9 and 6, at 8pm me and DH will go to bed. That extra sleep is bliss.

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OxfordBags · 22/05/2012 14:01

You must et over the idea that it's bad or wrong for you to have changed since having your DD. That is what a good parent does, what is totally vital. If you're not changed by having a child then it'd be bad.

Now think about that in context of your DH. He hasn't changed and doesn't want to. And he is making you feel bad for changing, which is totally wrong. If he's doing it deliberately then he is a pig and you need to talk about it but if it's not on purpose, then you two need to talk about it. In other words, you need to talk about it!

You sound like you've taken to parenthood very well and are completely normal, but he is struggling. It does sound like because the conception was an accident, you felt guilty snd still feel guilty and try to minimise the effect of having a child for him. But you mustn't do that. You're not only allowing him to be a crap father, you're almost training him to be crap. It's not like you forced him to have inprotected sex with you, you are a married cople who had planned on having children, you gotpg, end of story. You can't keep feeling like fatherhood is unfair on him. That's what comes through from what you talk, like you try to minimise his involvment to keep him happy and you givegivegive to DD to apologise for the situation of her being an imposition on her father.

You must stop this enabling of his crapness. He needs to have the lifestyle of a father, not his old one. One day, DD will realise her dad isn't interested and involved and take it to heart. She might even pick up on the vibe that she is just hassle to her father. Your Dh really needs to sort his head out.

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Mjtay · 22/05/2012 16:36

Sugar... He is always battling with is own self esteem. When we argue to the point he breaks down, it always comes out that it's because he's not happy with himself. But I always try to avoid words like selfish as that broke his last relationship down, and dont like him thinking ours is going the same way. No, not gone to dr. Maybe that's the way forward.

Fizzy and Oxford.... I may not of painted the perfect picture of hubby in my op. When he's with her, he's fantastic with her. He adores her, as does she him. But he has admitted that he's so tired at the mo, he dreads me asking him to bath her. He said last night when we were talking that how can he love someone so much yet be such an inconvenience. Sad I know he wouldn't trade her for the world.
The spare wheel thing Is exactly what's going on here. He feels Like it's me and dd and then him. But hopefully if he starts getting a big more involved, it should help all round. He'll get a better relationship with dd and I'll get more time to give him the attention he's craving!!!!

Talking to a friend this avo, and she recommended a couples councillor. She saved their relationship. Maybe that would help xxxx

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SugarBatty · 22/05/2012 16:50

If he is depressed its not an excuse for his behaviour but it might explain it. It sounds like he has got a few issues that he needs to sort out. I think you should support him but take a back seat and let him sort himself out. If he addresses things and you are still having problems then maybe try couples counselling.

You have already recognised you need to step back and make time for the two of you and are being pro active in making it happen. Your behaviour is normal for a new mum. See if he takes the initiative to make the changes you expect of him and suggest he speaks to a gp about how he is feeling.

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