To Kumon or not to Kumon. That is the question.

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megabored Sun 17-Jun-12 00:28:30

DD is starting school in September. Below are the Pros and Cons I have been debating recently.

1. She is bright, so should be okay without extra help in school
2. It is too early to put her through this
3. Kumon is expensive and time consuming.

The Pros

1. It may give her that bit of extra confidence at school
2. Earlier is better as then she can grow with that system
3. Its not so expensive as to be prohibitive.

I really cant decide either way. Please someone help?

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Mon 14-Dec-15 11:13:12

There can't be many more posts to go until it's full and can't be revived again.

StrapOnDodo Mon 14-Dec-15 11:09:36

Zombie thread grin

Hopefully killed it off..

ReallyTired Mon 14-Dec-15 11:09:11

Singapore Math is far better than Kumon (and mor enjoyable and developmentally appriopiate)

This book is brilliant

www.amazon.co.uk/Earlybird-Kindergarten-Mathematics-Textbook-Standards/dp/0761470166/ref=pd_sim_14_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=512VhdGpY0L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR123%2C160_&refRID=0P0GVWQJFTX9DFH4KTYG

It has lots of hands on practical exercises to help a child gain a practical understanding of the world. Counting pairs of shoes to under standing counting in twos. Arranging objects into groups to understand division or place value.

I believe the new maths curriculum goes too fast. If you are going to do extra at home then a child needs time to consolidate rather than get ahead of the game. In Singapore their children appear to be behind up to the age of seven/ eight but they then fly because they have a such good understanding of how numbers work. The foundation stage is about laying a foundation for life. There is little point in teaching adding until a child can count the number of toys cars on the floor in front of him.

Learning is play based under the age of five in schools because research shows that it is what works best. Children need to understand the world before they can understand maths.

StrapOnDodo Mon 14-Dec-15 11:08:40

Whenever I see the word Kumon, I imagine some overanxious parents leaning over a kid with a maths book shouting 'come on, come on- KUMON...only one more sheet then it's time for Mandarin'.

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Cloud2 Mon 24-Aug-15 10:51:52

Nicolepowell999, maybe you can buy some book from shop and do it youself? Like Bond nonsense math, If he stuggles, you can try year 7-8 first. There are free worksheet from Bond website too. The nice thing about do it youself, is you can find out what your DS is struggling about.

I always think there is not enough practice in primary school now, some children may be fine. But most children would benifit from a bit practice. Like my DS2, he is at the top math group(finished Y2), but is still not very quick at 8+7, 17-8 this sorts of basic question. He can get it, but need thinking.

I buy books from shop, download worksheet from website, we do 2-3 papers a week, everytime it takes 10 minutes. I think this is enough.

ImperialBlether Sat 22-Aug-15 21:36:07

My daughter was very good at Maths. My son wasn't, so he did Kumon and I enrolled my daughter on it, too. She was about 9 and started on 1+1 - by the time she left, a year later, she still wasn't at the point she'd been at when she started.

It's money driven, that's the problem with it. It's a good idea, but by making children start at the basics, the students who find Maths easier will be very, very bored.

Cookie122 Sat 22-Aug-15 21:29:27

i done kumon and found it soooo boring and some days so stressed out. BUT it did help me soooo much I really struggled with maths and it totally helped me

nicolepowell999 Mon 17-Aug-15 19:57:55

Hi sorry to bring this back up but my son is the youngest in the year and struggles a bit with a lot of work and support from me he now has no extra help at school but this scares me and I thought about Kumon but my goodness I am confused! Is it any good for a just turned 8 year old boy who could do with some help?

mrz Sun 16-Nov-14 06:38:08

Sorry

mrz Sat 15-Nov-14 12:16:48

Con she isn't even in school yet!

Feenie Sat 15-Nov-14 11:21:14

Yes, that's definitely what's missing in Reception, endless worksheets.

portico Sat 15-Nov-14 10:24:00

Just use schofield and sims, and Bon test paper books. They are age relevant. Good for diagnostic testing, short bursts of work and can be done at home.

efrieze78 Fri 14-Nov-14 22:30:13

We learnt a lot from Kumon - both my DDs did it for a year in Reception to "kick start" them.

spanieleyes Sat 08-Nov-14 17:13:29

Your name wouldn't be Sarah by any chance?

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Feenie Sat 15-Jun-13 21:40:51

And you definitely can't up three old threads to do so.

Feenie Sat 15-Jun-13 21:35:41

I don't think you are allowed to conduct market research on MN without permission.

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margarateishere Mon 25-Feb-13 23:17:28

I did extensive research on this topic and those are the most insightful research papers I was able to digg up:

NO IMPROVEMENTS:
A study of the Kumon method used as an in-school supplemental program to traditional mathematics instruction in the fourth-grade
Hughes, Raymond Carroll. The University of Mississippi, 1994. 9431566.

IMPROVEMENTS
Significant Improvements in Statewide Test Results As A Consequence of Using A Japanese-Based Supplemental Mathematics System, Kumon Mathematics, in an Inner-Urban School District. ... by Barbara Oakley, Doreen Lawrence, Jesse Petway, Mark Jackson, Pat Dessert, Darrin Hanna

SOME IMPROVEMENTS
Using the Kumon Method to Revitalize Mathematics in an Inner-Urban School District. Barbara A. Oakley, Doreen Lawrence, Walter L. Burt, Broderick Boxley, Christopher J. Kobus

Elaine28 Sun 24-Feb-13 20:01:32

I decided to give Kumon a go after watching DS play super mario bros. He was only 4 and had started playing it with his big cousins. He was more than happy to repeat the same thing over and over till he corrected his mistake and was able to move onto the next level. He wasn't bothered that he kept having to do the same thing again till he got it right. Kids seem to like repetition, they don’t mind watching the same show on tv for the 100th time. Millions are spent developing these games and millions of kids love them so they’ve got something right.

Sure enough he loves the challenge of doing his Kumon and trying to beat his own time. Yes some days he whinges and doesn't want to do it, but then sometimes he doesn't want to tidy his room and sometimes he doesn't want to go to the toilet when he's dancing on the spot, so I guess that's life!
£55 is a lot of money, but he doesn’t do Judo or tennis etc. and I'd rather spend the money on giving him something that gives him so much confidence in school.

mumofteen Fri 22-Feb-13 17:25:51

Kumon works! Surely everyone realises we learn through repetition. How does a baby learn to talk, how do we learn to play an instrument. In order to be good at something we need to practise it over and over till we have mastered it. Andy Murray has hit more than a few balls to get to where he is today, Tiger Woods has put in a good few hours of practise. If you want to understand why the Kumon Method works read "The Talent Code: Greatness isn't born. It's Grown" Daniel Coyle and "Bounce: The Myth of Talent and the Power of Practise". If you want to master something you need to practise it a little every day. I have two DD's doing Kumon, both were middle of the road students before they started. Now DD1 is in the top Maths set in the top school according to the Times List, this is not a coincidence. Is she overworked and pushed too hard - No! she does 15-30 mins maths a day, and still manages to squeeze in 4-5 hours on facebook/TV smile
If your thinking about Kumon give your child a chance and decide for yourself, you wont regret it.

Feenie Thu 21-Feb-13 20:52:01

You have to pay for those kinds of opportunites, margarateishere.

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