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Safe haven chat thread for believers

423 replies

Starwisher · 04/04/2012 23:45

I thought it be lovely to start a" safe haven"thread for all the believers on mumsnet. It doesn't matter what religion or spirituality you are, the important thing is a belief in God or higher power that unites us.

The idea is too talk with other believers to share ideas, thoughts and feelings or even general musings.
So come in and relax!

please can I respectfully ask that this is not a debating thread to challenge people. While I am not the mn police, there are other threads to debate on or please start your own. This is a safe haven

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chipmonkey · 05/04/2012 00:21

Thanks Starwisher. What a lovely thread.Smile
I am chipmonkey and I am an ex-Catholic but still have a strong belief in God and lean towards Spiritualism and Christianity. Always did but started seeking answers in a deeper way since the death of my little daughter in October. I have had signs from her to let me know she is still around and I am generally not the delusional sort!
I don't rule out the possiblility of re-incarnation but hope my dd hangs around so that I get so see her again before she embarks on a new life.

SophieNeveau · 05/04/2012 00:23

Hello.

It is lovely and bright, warm and comfy in here, ahhh.

I love God.

God, I am going to do a public prayer!

Father, thank you for my sences today. Please give peace to all in my home tonight and I pray we all wake, refreshed, happy and with love for one another tomorrow. Give me strenght to deal with any difficulties put in my way tomorrow!

I am so pleased you started this thread and that I found it.

SophieNeveau · 05/04/2012 00:25

ChipMonkey, I would love to hear about the signs you have had from your dd.

chipmonkey · 05/04/2012 00:28

I want to say thank you to God for keeping my son safe on his school trip.

I do believe that my daughter and other spirits sometimes collaborate to make good things happen and would like to express gratitude for the BFP a dear friend got today. I was really praying for that BFP!

MrsShrekTheThird · 05/04/2012 00:48

chipmonkey, lovely...
I actually thought that I was alone with my feeling that the energy from those who have left us stays with us, and that I see signs to prove it quite often. For some time I stayed away from church thinking that the things would appear contradictory - but somehow I've found a way for them to sit together (they always did to me, though) and headed to the lovely church community who have lead me on a new bit of path.

Starwisher, really like the thread, and thank you :) I never join the debating threads, or really put my faith views forward. this is such a nice idea. musings are good.

chipmonkey · 05/04/2012 00:55

Ok! Shortly after my dd died, my son's teacher's mother died. We were both expressing our condolences to each other in the schoolyard and he said that a relative at his mother's funeral had said that the dead sometimes leave feathers lying around for us to find. He ( the teacher) was a bit Hmm about this but when he went home to his locked house 100 miles away from his mother's home he found two feathers on the couch. I was happy for him, and happy that he had told me, as I felt that it showed that his mother still lived on and if she could live on, then my dd could live on.

Still, I got no feathers! On the day of her funeral we had seen the most beautiful rainbow in the sky and dh and I felt it was a sign but if you had talked to a skeptic they would have argued that it was to do with raindrops in the atmosphere and really, we couldn't have argued with that.

I asked for feathers. Then, one day, at the end of winter, on a cold and frosty morning, I opened the back door to the garden. The garden was frosty and the winter sun shone through a pleasant haze. As I threw bread out for the birds, I saw something float ever so slowly down into the centre of the garden. I ran out into the garden in my slippers to the spot where I had watched it land and found a tiny, white, fluffy feather. Since then, I have found lots of them. The odd thing it, that before she died, I never found a feather like it. Big black ones from crows, yes but never tiny white ones.

After that, on the advice of a friend, I asked for signs and I asked for specific signs. I asked to see bluebells, I saw bluebells. I asked to see a pink frog, I saw a pink fabric frog.

A friend on MN had also lost her daughter and was going through a tough time. I asked my daughter, "if you've met T (my MN friend's baby) show me rainbow hearts." I wanted it to be very specific. No point in just saying hearts, because close to Valentine's day there were going to be lots! And rainbows were special to my friend. I walked around shops, I sought rainbow hearts but didn't find them. I went home and logged on to facebook. My cousin had been eating some candy lovehearts and had posted a picture of them on facebook. Rainbow hearts! I copied the picture, showed them to my MN friend and explained that I had asked for this sign for her. It made her day. I emailed my cousin and told her her photo had made someone's day and she said she really didn't know why she had posted that photo, the idea to take it had just popped into her head.

My daughter's name was Sylvie-Rose. I play scrabble online. One day, I was given these letters. SYLVIER

I take comfort in other peoples signs too. My aunt lost two sons, one in a motorobike accident and one during an operation on his heart. One day , my aunt was talking on the phone to her daughter, my cousin. My cousin was telling her about a scary journey she had had to make in the snow. She was afraid she might crash and all the time she said "I prayed to R and M ( her brothers) that they would keep me safe) When she said that to her mother, the photos of R and M that her mother always kept on the mantelpiece, just fell to the ground. My aunt was flabbergasted.

You know, anyone could find a logical explanation. But then again, what are the odds?

mybabyweightiseightyearsold · 05/04/2012 09:45

Thanks for the thread. I love it.

I'm a lapsed Catholic (well, lapsed until I fell a little bit in love with met my Grandmother's priest last week (Thornbirds, much?)

I'm floating around various churches, trying to find a good fit that the kids like, I like and is tolerant (I have a problem with the whole Jesus loves everyone, but not the gays)

I like chatting away to God, don't really pray - I figure that he knows what's in my heart anyway so I just blether on. But, He listens.

Starwisher · 05/04/2012 10:49

Hi everyone I'm glad you like the thread.

Hi Sophie, you have reminded me to thankful for everyday things. My dh lost his job so sometimes, well all the time, my thoughts are focused on that.

Chipmonkey those signs were beautiful from your daughter. I know many people, religious or not, who have had clear signs from lost loved ones.

Mrsshrek and mybaby I very much understand the dilemma between your faith and church teachings. I struggle to identify myself as christian but certainly do believe in God.

There is nothing definite Jesus said about homosexuality been Immoral. Infact he when he says

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
New Living Translation (©2007)

To me that is Jesus ultimate message. It doesn't matter what or who you are there is no dicrimination.

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SophieNeveau · 05/04/2012 11:01

I occasionally loose hearing in one ear for an hour of so, I think it may be wax issues, it happened yesterday.

SophieNeveau · 05/04/2012 12:56

Sooooo, it is interesting that God bashers are all for the rights of people, but the rights of religious freedom!

Starwisher · 05/04/2012 13:08

I'm afraid Sophie attacking the religious is the last group of people they can openly attack, as it's not that socially unacceptable in comparison to attacking other groups of people.

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SophieNeveau · 05/04/2012 14:45

I think there is a lot of disablists still out there too! We all get judged included aibu posters on judgement day!

hiddenhome · 05/04/2012 17:16

Aha, found it! Been doing blackbird related stuff Smile

See how long it takes before they arrive and start asking for proof of God again Grin

Starwisher · 05/04/2012 17:20

Ignore them, they can (and have!) started their own thread

Anyway let's make this a positive thread.

What prayers do feel God has answered this year?

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hiddenhome · 05/04/2012 17:24

This year? I had my first Catholic communion about three weeks ago, thanks to the help from a lovely lady who has been instructing me Smile I received an Easter card from her and her hubby this morning. I feel so happy going to Mass Grin

Thanks for starting this thread Starwisher, it's a great idea Smile

Starwisher · 05/04/2012 17:35

No worries. :)

It's great to here you enjoy mass so much. I was watching Made in Chelsea and there was a Christian lady on there saying how happy church made her feel! Reminded me we really ought to get back into one. We moved house 18 months ago and never quite got around to going, albeit a few special school services!

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hiddenhome · 05/04/2012 17:38

You will have to go church shopping Grin Made me laugh when I first heard that term.

Starwisher · 05/04/2012 17:40

Well the local one has been featured in a few films, so maybe that one!

The thing is, while I believe in God I am at a stage where Im not sure about the religion side of things, if you see what I mean?

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hiddenhome · 05/04/2012 17:43

Religion gets in the way sometimes.

I like traditional places. Went to a Latin Mass a few weeks ago, that was awesome. Twas in the cathedral as well. Very inspiring.

SophieNeveau · 05/04/2012 19:21

Star, I have a GCSE in RE as I went to a faith school. I do not practice that faith anymore, I read the bible.

I have as an adult studdied budist which interested me, my dc have educated me on some faiths I was clueless on. Apparently at their state school, in one dc class there is a muslim, a jew and my dc who isn't practicing the last few years, no one else out of the entire class has ever know religion or God!

I am so gratefull I was introduced to God at a young age, some never know God.

I rarley ask God for things, I have continually asked for one thing, it is taking time and requires some work from me too!

I had a prayer not answered a few years back, I am now very gratefull it was not answered!

Are you remembering tomorrow?

The other chat thread lead me here, I would never have bothered looking in this area had there not been so much attack on that thread!

chipmonkey · 05/04/2012 20:06

Hello all! I find my prayers more likely to be answered if I pray for other people.

MonsterBookOfTysons · 05/04/2012 20:15

Hi I am confused as to what I believe atm, I do believe but not sure what Confused
So may I stay around please and hopefully I will be able to work it out. Half the time my mind is set that I am pagan, the other half I believe in God. I think I believe both which is where I am struggling :)

hiddenhome · 05/04/2012 20:20

What is it about paganism that interests you Monster?

SophieNeveau · 05/04/2012 20:21

I loved hearing about the Feathers. Karen, Gloria H (can't remember the name) was all about the white Feathers!

I have never come across a white feather.

That other thread started by technoDad and linked to this thread, ended up with him being decent in the end, when I just read after your post Chip.

I think you did the right thing hiding the "feeble minded" believers thread, strange behaviour there from people professing to be all about womens and gay rights! it is like there is despiration for a believer in God be as nasty about a group as the non believers were about believers!

SophieNeveau · 05/04/2012 20:23

Monster, I an not educated in paganism, I know the Christian calendar coincides and yew trees are often found in old church yards.